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1jola   
29 Oct 2009
News / Man Why Do People Like PO Instead Of PIS [120]

We are lacking altogether honest politicians. Period. No, I didn't like PiS either, but I saw a chance to right some of the wrongs left over from the communist times. PiS made an effort to do something about removing the communists left over in key positions and reforming the justice system.

Had PiS had a majority in parliament without having to make a embarassing coalition with LPR and SO, things could have gone differently.

For God's sake, we still have statues glorifying the Soviet invader in Warsaw!

Mikke would plough this over.
1jola   
29 Oct 2009
News / Man Why Do People Like PO Instead Of PIS [120]

vetala

You probably don't understand how our parliment works so I see how you blame PiS for being forced to make coalitions.

I also immediately associate PO and SLD with communist filth. They are cut from the same cloth.

Name something PO has done so far for this country that they promissed to do.
1jola   
29 Oct 2009
News / JEW YOUTH SHOULD CLEAN UP THEIR ACT IN POLAND [420]

This accusation is repeated on many hate sites.

I ask myself how was that possible. Was there total anarchy? There wasn't at all. Where did all those Jews flocking into the NKVD ranks live then? In tents?

With Jews comprising a significant percentage of the communist State Security (around 34%! of the high positions), and with no love for Polish patriots, one wonders why would they close their eyes when Poles were taking over Jewish property.

This probably didn't occur to you.

And btw: just admit it, I have beaten you on the Pope Pius XII part.

You ignored my points and questions and disrespected dear old Golda so don't expect much.

Bon appetite.
1jola   
29 Oct 2009
News / Man Why Do People Like PO Instead Of PIS [120]

I can't think of another time in history when there were so many corruption scandals at the same time as at present under PO.
1jola   
29 Oct 2009
News / JEW YOUTH SHOULD CLEAN UP THEIR ACT IN POLAND [420]

And this is just one source of many that stated that Pius didn't do anything during the Holocaust.

Nobody did anything for the European Jews. Get it, nobody cared. Not even other Jews. But The Jewish Virtual Library pbobably doesn't go into that. The American Jews did the least, yet they are now screaming and threatning for money. Do you think this attitude will result in future pogroms?
1jola   
29 Oct 2009
News / JEW YOUTH SHOULD CLEAN UP THEIR ACT IN POLAND [420]

Jan Gross, although critised by a handful of fellow-historians, got support from an official Polish inquiry into the massacre of Jedwabne, of which he claims it was perpetrated by Poles, not by Germans. You want to dismiss this too?

I'd be happy to tear that appart at a different time.

I am very well aware of the fact that the Talmud contains some passages that are not very favourable for non-Jews and that there most certainly were bad Jewish ppl,

And besides, like Christianity, Judaism likes to present itself as the sole true religion, and every person who does not believe in it is an "infidel" and should be treated with disregard.

You are not familiar with Christianity then. As to Talmud's treatment of gentiles, how is Nazis' view of Jews as subhuman different from Jews viewing non-Jews as "'unclean animal; loathsome creature, abomination?", I ask you, sir?

It wasn't written in the 19th century, but 2 to 3000 years ago, different times, for sure.

For a historian you seem very liberal with dates, which is not advisable.

And also, every movement which is in the process of retrieving a place in society will profile itself in extreme form first; once it has gotten its place in society it will mellow down naturally.

The rabbis just don't agree with you here. They are not willing to negotiate. Oh, I see you understand this though:[

Pope Pius didn't want to condemn the proscecution of Jews,

I guess that's why

Golda Meir, the late and beloved Prime Minister of Israel, who said this of him at his death in October 1958:

''During the 10 years of Nazi terror, when our people went through the horrors of martyrdom, the Pope raised his voice to condemn the persecutors and commiserate with their victims.''

nytimes.com/1982/10/26/opinion/l-what-golda-meir-thought-of-pope-pius-xii-245767.html

Am I gonna have to beat up on you everyday? :)
1jola   
29 Oct 2009
News / Man Why Do People Like PO Instead Of PIS [120]

Under the brief rule of PiS, the communist (Stalinist even) judges and prosecutors stopped receiving huge pensions. Bravo! If it weren't for the left (PO and SLD), the archives would be opened fully and the ex-communists would have to find refuge in Cuba and not in prestigeous positions they occupy now. PO and SLD are strongly against that.

This is the extent of PiS' so-called hatred.
1jola   
29 Oct 2009
News / JEW YOUTH SHOULD CLEAN UP THEIR ACT IN POLAND [420]

My guess is, Alina Cała, being an unheard of historian from Warsaw, wants to make an international career. When real historians evaluated her work, she was nearly laughed at. I predict her rise to fame to be exeptionally fast similar to Jan Gross'. He, of course sang a different tune in his earlier works when he still felt Polish. Of course, there was no money in it, so he sold his soul.
1jola   
29 Oct 2009
News / JEW YOUTH SHOULD CLEAN UP THEIR ACT IN POLAND [420]

Your first question- I don't know that website, nor am I interested in it. I prefer to look at Jewish sources.

Second question- I don't. I am familiar with Alina Cała and her drivel, that's all. She wrote a whole series of articles recently "proving" Polish anti-Semitism's roots in Christianity. It was amature, and I can't be bothered in translating her nonsense.

you keep quoting Shahak on parts where he gives out to Judaism, et cetera and present this as solely reliable?

Shahak was an authority who was in the position to write the truth. Have you read the book or not? You are free to disagree.
1jola   
29 Oct 2009
News / JEW YOUTH SHOULD CLEAN UP THEIR ACT IN POLAND [420]

But let's read on:

However, under the entry Shiksa - the feminine form of Shaygets - the author does give the original Hebrew word, sheqetz (or, in his transliteration, sheques) and defines its Hebrew meaning as 'blemish'. This is a bare-faced lie, as every speaker of Hebrew knows. The Megiddo Modern Hebrew-English Dictionary, published in Israel, correctly defines shegetz as follows: 'unclean animal; loathsome creature, abomination (colloquial - pronounced shaygets) wretch, unruly youngster; Gentile youngster'.

From Professor Isreal Shahak's book.
1jola   
29 Oct 2009
News / JEW YOUTH SHOULD CLEAN UP THEIR ACT IN POLAND [420]

I would advice anybody who is interested in the Polish view on Jews, to read "The Image Of The Jew in Polish Folk Culture" by Alina Cała, a Polish scientist who, in the footsteps of Herz researched the attitude of Poles towards Jews.

You can't be serious. The filth this Jewess writes is solely for the consumption of polonophobes. I might add that she writes this drivel while being supported by Polish taxpayers.

I have read her articles in the Polish press and in comparison to her Jan Gross is a polonophile.

M-G, I found the qoute you gave about shiksas most amusing. I'm surprised you didn't find one that says it is an endeering term. :)
1jola   
28 Oct 2009
History / Ranking of the most dangerous and successful enemies of Poland. [32]

If you ride trams and stand in quees in Poland, you know who the enemy are. With the cold season fast approaching, the enemy mobilizes and puts on layers of armour. Yes, they are the oil drum-looking middle aged women, the most dangerous thing known to man. The look on their faces makes Gołota look like a cupid. Beware, and expect no mercy. Being polite is just a sign of weakness to them.
1jola   
28 Oct 2009
News / JEW YOUTH SHOULD CLEAN UP THEIR ACT IN POLAND [420]

In all fairness, I believe I have read in Haaretz that Israeli Foreign Ministry is aware of these past incidents and is doing something about it. I haven't read any horror stories from this past March of the Living. I think both countries are trying to have the youth meet each other to see for themselves that they should be free free of past prejudices. I hope it works.

An urelated story. Last year, while crossing into Israel on foot, at the final passport check, an Israeli security man looked at my Polish passport and said: I can't let you in. Seeing my puzzled and slightly worried face, he smiled and said: it's full, too many Jews. If only we all had this light approach.
1jola   
28 Oct 2009
History / Responsibility for Murder of Catholic Poles during WWII ? [172]

MareGaea

I don't read all threads, but I have been reading PF for several years and posting for a year and have seen no depraved idiots here.

You might not notice that in the international press it is chic to slam Poles at any oportune moment. You, being a reader of that press, sometimes repeat those lies. It is more likely that you will find depraved idiots writing for New York Times.

Here is an excerpt of Professor Lipstadt's trip to Auschwitz, just to give you an idea what annoys us:

It is ironic that this should happen to me because whenever I hear Jews say: "The Poles were worse than the Germans," I point out that that is a pretty a-historical [dumb] statement given that the Germans planned and executed the worst murder of Jews in history. German architects, engineers, doctors, organizers, and all sorts of other people made this happen. Unlike Lithuanians, Ukrainians, Estonians, all of whom formed units of the German auxiliary, Poles were oppressed by the Germans. Recently someone said to me, "But Poles administered the camps." There were certainly Poles who, as prisoners, assisted the Germans [see QBVII by Leon Uris or, for a non-fictional account of the same story, Auschwitz in the Courtroom] but they were not responsible for the Holocaust. There were Poles who turned Jews in to Nazis. And there were Poles who hid Jews. In fact, at Yad Vashem there are more Polish righteous gentiles honored than any other nation. [Of course, this, in part, is because there were more Jews being persecuted in Poland than in any place else.]

lipstadt.blogspot.com/search/label/Auschwitz%3A%20My%20visit%201-05

Compare some of those opinions with this one posted here recently by someone whose writing style you will recognize:

2) the Nazis knew that they could do this in Eastern Europe rightaway and not in Western Europe, because anti-semitism wasn't as deeply rooted in the West as it was in the East. They knew if they would start shooting and killing Jews the way they did in PL or in RU, the Westerners would never accept that, hence cause a lot of unrest they didn't need.

This poster suggests that Poles would easily accept the shooting of Jews because of their anti-Semitism. After that, he got a lesson in Judaism.
1jola   
28 Oct 2009
History / Responsibility for Murder of Catholic Poles during WWII ? [172]

Is that the reason why you so adore the Chinese commies

You still can't get over the idea that the Chinese were writing poetry when the Great Tutons were still running around with clubs around the Black Forest barking at each other.

I neither adore nor despise the Chinese, I am simply interested in their culture. As to their being commies, some of the denser Americans would call me a commie when I was kid because I came from Poland.

Your brief lapse of civility can be perhaps explained by ignorance of Chinese culture. Here is some help. Zhou Dynasty is probably a good place to start:

chinaknowledge.de/History/Zhou/zhou.html

I didn't find it any funny at all. Except for thoose who have an imige that every Pole is an anti-semite -.-

In this touchy-feely, PC world, pretty soon all jokes will be banned. Only the Nerwegians are safe in that joke.

that every Pole is an anti-semite

No, I that joke there were only three people.

The chinese have taken communism to hideous levels...

Just like your country has taken hypocricy to new heights, topping it with a Noble Peace Prize.

Besides, does one pimple make a beautiful face ugly?
1jola   
27 Oct 2009
History / Responsibility for Murder of Catholic Poles during WWII ? [172]

...if it was that easy, why didn't you say it before?

Let me tell M-G a joke, to see if he can relax a bit.

A Russian, a Norwegian, and a Pole are bragging how cold it is in their countries.

The Russian says: In Russia it is so cold that you can put a bottle of pure grain alcohol outside and it freezes in 30 seconds.

The Norwegian says: That's nothing. In Norway it is so cold that the Golfstrom freezes.

And the Pole: Ah, what the hell, let the old Jew freeze.
1jola   
27 Oct 2009
History / Responsibility for Murder of Catholic Poles during WWII ? [172]

It's not just you, but I found that on this forum there are some ppl, actually a lot more than one would expect, for which Jewishness is an issue

Listen, Pacha Mama, how is "Jewishness" an issue? We are two guys chating on the net about some issue, I truly don't get your drift. I was trying to find answers to why Jews have been disliked in all cultures and times. Judaism presents a problem to Jews because of its beliefs, I think, because some are truly shocking to outsiders. If I were brought up in a Jewish faith, I would have faced the same dilema or joy depending on how you look at it. It would be troubling to know that God is using gentiles to punish me with such severity as we have seen during the last war. But, trust me, your Jewishness is your personal issue and not mine. I think you are reading into it too much. At no point you even aknowledged some practices are racist, yet you called me a racist, a nobody, and an anti-Semite for posting a Jewish professor's text.

at given times proclaim the same things that were proclaimed before or during the war, maybe not with the intent that they should be killed or something, but it was this talk that eventually led to what happened.

Trust me, it was not this kind of talk. Some years ago, when I learned a little about Judaism, it didn't make me dislike the Jews; it is their belief and have mine. I am certain my beliefs are strange or even disgusting to some. What to do? In the beginning I said that people don't like when others don't want socialize with them, eat with them, etc. This, I still hold, had a big influence on the feeling called Judeophobia or anti-Semitism. I think it was a starting point. There were others later, as were mentioned by you and others. Some were rational, while others were totally irrational.

evidence" about evil Jews - same all over again

I posted no evidence about evil Jews. Sorry, that you perceive it as such.

Like I said before, I have not been that much aware of my Jewishness until I started visiting PF

We are happy to be of help. Maybe you are missing something cool in your life. Certainly, you are missing out on the Jewish humor.

Shall I have a rabbi call you? :) I don't want to be a spoiler, but Orthodoxy seems like such a hassle, but think of the networking possibilities. :)

Anyhow, I am propagator of world peace

So refrain from calling me names.
1jola   
27 Oct 2009
History / Responsibility for Murder of Catholic Poles during WWII ? [172]

The article mentioned Progressive Judaism - something that sounds kosher to me:

"It reverences Jewish tradition, and seeks to preserve all that is good in the Judaism of the past. But it lives in the present. It desires that Judaism shall be an active force for good in the lives of Jewish individuals, families and communities today, and that it shall make its contribution to the betterment of human society. And it stresses "the full equality and participation of men and women in every sphere of religious life; an emphasis on ethical conduct above ritual observance; an affirmation of each individual's freedom to act responsibly in accordance with the dictates of the informed religious conscience; a pride in combining our Jewish heritage with full participation in the civic life of this country; and an awareness of our duty not only to the Jewish people and to the State of Israel, but also to the entire human family, each one of whom is created in the Divine image".[

wiki
1jola   
27 Oct 2009
History / Responsibility for Murder of Catholic Poles during WWII ? [172]

Oh, why the drama? Ever read Numbers in the OT? I guess they were quoting then.

They slaughtered everyone save the virgins. What did they need virgins for?

Mute point now. I hope you didn't get the idea that Jews should be persecuted or discriminated against. They should not be nor should they do it to others. I tried to put a perspective on Judeophobia. I don't know any religious Jews so I have no idea how would they treat me; I have some Jewish friends who are not religious and we are all good friends. They are not so touchy as some here. My family, before the war had close contact with Jews in their village and they lived in harmony. The war brought disaster on both, but much more on the Jews - four hundred Jewish families perished from that village.
1jola   
27 Oct 2009
History / Responsibility for Murder of Catholic Poles during WWII ? [172]

vetala

I knew the Holocaust would surface but I expected it earlier. Go back and watch the video.

A fundamental question. When Nazis called Jews subhuman, we in unison condemn that; when Jews do the same there is silence. Why?
1jola   
27 Oct 2009
History / Responsibility for Murder of Catholic Poles during WWII ? [172]

And again, you're doing it: putting the blame on the Jews themselves.

No matter what vile notions about gentiles their holy books say and they practice, you find them blameless and not racist. How everyone is avoiding to call a spade a spade.

There's only one way to deal with religion. Don't be too involved in it. The more involved in it you are, the crazier it gets.

Religion is meant to be practiced not glanced at. In this case, the Levites and Pharises who dreamnt it up caused their people a lot of harm for generations to come.
1jola   
27 Oct 2009
History / Responsibility for Murder of Catholic Poles during WWII ? [172]

All religions are racist religions.

At the moment we are discussing Judaism and its beliefs contributing to Judeophobia.

1jola, you never know when to stop, eh?

I'm sorry you find Judaism offensive.

Most rulers who put the restrictions upon them had no clue about the contents of the Judaic beliefs. There goes your theory.

Not true.
1jola   
27 Oct 2009
History / Responsibility for Murder of Catholic Poles during WWII ? [172]

Because that is what racism and anti-semitism is all about: the primitive "us against them" feeling, present in every individual as we all are primitive creatures still, no matter how advanced we may be.

Would you say that Judaism is a racist religion? Since the ladies took notice, here is something from the same author:

This does not imply that sexual intercourse between a Jewish man and a Gentile woman is permitted - quite the contrary. But the main punishment is inflicted on the Gentile woman; she must be executed, even if she was raped by the Jew: 'If a Jew has coitus with a Gentile woman, whether she be a child of three or an adult, whether married or unmarried, and even if he is a minor aged only nine years and one day - because he had willful coitus with her, she must be killed, as is the case with a beast, because through her a Jew got into trouble'45 The Jew, however, must be flogged, and if he is a Kohen (member of the priestly tribe) he must receive double the number of lashes, because he has committed a double offense: a Kohen must not have intercourse with a prostitute, and all Gentile women are presumed to be prostitutes.46

I have pointed out with my quote that many restrictions have been imposed on Jewish ppl throughout time. It's not really surprising that they are not very enthousiastic towards the ppl that put these upon them.

Yes, many restrictions were placed on the racist Jews who thought of gentiles as little more than beasts.
1jola   
27 Oct 2009
History / Responsibility for Murder of Catholic Poles during WWII ? [172]

your comments are far too accusatory. You're making a huge fuss over nothing.

Am I really? From the same author:

ACCORDING TO THE JEWISH religion, the murder of a Jew is a capital offense and one of the three most heinous sins (the other two being idolatry and adultery). Jewish religious courts and secular authorities are commanded to punish, even beyond the limits of the ordinary administration of justice, anyone guilty of murdering a Jew. A Jew who indirectly causes the death of another Jew is, however, only guilty of what talmudic law calls a sin against the 'laws of Heaven', to be punished by God rather than by man.

When the victim is a Gentile, the position is quite different. A Jew who murders a Gentile is guilty only of a sin against the laws of Heaven, not punishable by a court.1 To cause indirectly the death of a Gentile is no sin at all.2

Any comments?