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Ranking of the most dangerous and successful enemies of Poland.


Borrka 37 | 594  
25 Oct 2009 /  #1
Ranking of the most dangerous and successful enemies of Poland.

Don't try any moral qualification just take under consideration these 3 aspects:

- aggressive plans against Poland
- political and social consequences in the long run
- common opinion of Poles

Remember - if your say Hitler it means all his cronies as well. So no need to to put Himmler on your list !

My list:

1.Adolf Hitler/Joseph Stalin
2.King Gustav Adolf of Sweden
3.Ukrainian leader Bohdan Kmelnitsky
4.Czar Peter I of Russia
5.Polish king August II Elector of Saxony
6.Czarina Catherina II of Russia
7.Czar Nikolaus I of Russia
8.Chancellor of Germany Otto von Bismarck
9.Ukrainian nationalists' leader Stephan Bandera
Dice 15 | 452  
25 Oct 2009 /  #2
Wow, man, this sh!t you're smoking is like, far out, or somethig, bro, like, totaly.

crackhead
dnz 17 | 710  
25 Oct 2009 /  #3
why isn't brian blessed on there i wonder?
Sokrates 8 | 3,346  
25 Oct 2009 /  #4
Wow, man, this sh!t you're smoking is like, far out, or somethig, bro, like, totaly.

Whats wrong with this thread except for you being an idiot?

3.Ukrainian leader Bohdan Kmelnitsky

9.Ukrainian nationalists' leader Stephan Bandera

Those two guys dont even deserve a place here, one was a glorified rebel and the other a murderer, neither a threat to us as a nation.

8.Chancellor of Germany Otto von Bismarck

He didnt like us because we dared to demand our country back and he didnt relish giving back what his gramps stole but Bismarck while disliking us cant be exactly put in the same league as people like Hitler and Stalin, lets not slander him.

5.Polish king August II Elector of Saxony

How is he our enemy? He just didnt care.
hairball 20 | 313  
25 Oct 2009 /  #5
I wonder how long it will be before the finger pointing heads towards ww2 allies for making a deal with Stalin.
ShawnH 8 | 1,508  
25 Oct 2009 /  #6
Back in Post Number 1.

My list:

1.Adolf Hitler/Joseph Stalin

The other question: When will somebody mention Barack Obama?
Torq  
25 Oct 2009 /  #7
When will somebody mention Barack Obama?

Yeah! And why the two most anti-Polish politicians: Erica Steinbach
and Donald Tusk aren't even on the list?

;)
OP Borrka 37 | 594  
25 Oct 2009 /  #8
Sokrates, I have to disagree with you.

First, Khmelnisky generated a lot of troubles both to Poland and Ukraine .
You may call him a rebel but he managed to sell Ukraine to Russia.
1654 in so called Union of Pereyeslav he did it and I think it's ridiculous that some Ukrainians consider him to be a national freedom fighter.

More, he tried for the first time in history the partition of Rzeczpospolita in Radnot 1656, together with Sweden, Prussian elector, Rakostsi and Radziwils.
Is that not enough to call him a successful enemy of Poland ?

As for August II, his buddy/buddy relationship with Peter I caused more harm to Poland than both Suvorov, and Muraviev Vieshatel.

Bismarck ... I even don't try to compare him with Hitler however he wanted to
"ausradieren" us.
So simple ... to cancel all Poles.

Bandera gave the ideological background for ethnic cleanings in Volhynia.
Sokrates 8 | 3,346  
25 Oct 2009 /  #9
First, Khmelnisky generated a lot of troubles both to Poland and Ukraine .

Not really, he was succesfull as long as Poland was busy dealing with the big boys, Sweden and Russia.

You may call him a rebel but he managed to sell Ukraine to Russia.

Russia would have taken a chunk of Ukraine anyway, he just gave it a semblance of legality.

1654 in so called Union of Pereyeslav he did it and I think it's ridiculous that some Ukrainians consider him to be a national freedom fighter.

Well he was a freedom fighter to a degree but he was not a major threat, Pejersław legalised a move Russia would make anyway so i dont see how was his role so huge.

More, he tried for the first time in history the partition of Rzeczpospolita in Radnot 1656, together with Sweden, Prussian elector, Rakostsi and Radziwils.

He didnt try anything Swedes, Russians, Rakoczy and Radziwiłs tried, he just jumped on the bandwagon but given that Polish armies butchered Rakoczy, scattered the Swedes and expelled the Russians (Lithuanians dealt with Radziwill) he was again alone and incapable of doing anything.

The wars of the deluge period were a conflict of very big boys, Poland, Lithuania, Sweden and Russia, Chmielnicki was just a small fish trying to win what he could by the side he viewed as the most powerfull at a time, he'd join Poles after they defeated all enemies and try to play it with them, the problem was that the moment Crown would lay its hands on him he'd end up with his head on Warsaws ramparts.

As for August II, his buddy/buddy relationship with Peter I caused more harm to Poland than both Suvorov, and Muraviev Vieshatel.

August II was never a Pole, he was a king of Saxony and didnt care much for Poland but neither him nor Peter wanted to destroy Poland, if you're referring to collateral damage the country suffered, that was because of our internal weakness, kings of the time as of rule didnt give a sh*t as to what happens to the countryside, Frederick the Great burnt his own cities to the ground.

You cant really classify two guys who waged wars in Poland but not against Poland as such as our enemies.

Bismarck ... I even don't try to compare him with Hitler however he wanted to
"ausradieren" us.
So simple ... to cancel all Poles.

Naturally, much of Prussian lands were lands they stole from Poland about 100 years earlier, it was in the interests of Prussian Germans to Germinize Poles so we dont take our lands back, even today you can see BB crying about oh so German Greater Poland region we took back even though it was in Germany for only 100 years and they stole it from us in the first place.

But still he wanted to do it by germanizing Poles not sending them to gas chambers like his inheritor Adolf Hitler would and he wasnt particulary succesfull at destroying polish identity either so he's not so bad in what he tried to do and what he tried to do he sucked at.

Bandera gave the ideological background for ethnic cleanings in Volhynia.

Yes and it was horrible but on a national scale Bandera was never really a threat, at no point in its existence was pre-war Ukraine a threat to Poland simply because of the huge military and economic disparity between us.
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,465  
26 Oct 2009 /  #10
Yeah! And why the two most anti-Polish politicians: Erica Steinbach
and Donald Tusk aren't even on the list?

Must be the "dangerous" part of the list.
Try as I might I can't see this women endangering the Poles or Poland! ;)
OP Borrka 37 | 594  
26 Oct 2009 /  #11
Steinbach is a German chauvinistic joke not a real danger.
Just a good partner for our Polish Godzilla, Mrs Arciszewska
Point.

If there is something dangerous in German politics today then I would rather name dancing to the music of Russian balalayka.

Donald Tusk could possibly cause some political damage to Poland but thanks God we have Kaczynskis twins.
Our pride and the last hope of the nation lol.
Our Wunderwaffe.
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,465  
26 Oct 2009 /  #12
Steinbach is a German chauvinistic joke not a real danger.

How is she chauvinistic?
joepilsudski 26 | 1,389  
26 Oct 2009 /  #13
I wonder how long it will be before the finger pointing heads towards ww2 allies for making a deal with Stalin.

1 & 2 : Communism & 'Allies'

3 : Poland itself
OP Borrka 37 | 594  
26 Oct 2009 /  #14
How is she chauvinistic?

I consider her to be chauvinistic.
That simple - for me she makes a perfect picture of a chauvinistic climacteric woman.
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,465  
26 Oct 2009 /  #15
I consider her to be chauvinistic.

I KNOW that already! ;)

But I ask you WHY???

Chauvinism, (pronounced /ˈʃoʊvɨnɪzəm/), in its original and primary meaning, is an exaggerated, bellicose patriotism and a blind belief in national superiority and glory. [1] By extension it has come to include an extreme and unreasoning partisanship on behalf of any group to which one belongs, especially when the partisanship includes malice and hatred towards a rival group.

Any examples for such a behavior from her?
OP Borrka 37 | 594  
26 Oct 2009 /  #16
Any examples for such a behavior from her?

Promoting the totally false picture of German society being one of victims in the ww2.
So called "expulsion" of Germans should prove that Germans were suffering from the same war time misery, equivalent to other nations' fate what is chauvinistic attempt of the history whitewashing .

But again - it's more my feeling so I don't need any kind of argumentation.
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,465  
26 Oct 2009 /  #17
So...your only gripe with her is still the being build center? A center documenting ALL the forced expulsions during the last century? Also the polish ones?

Man, it doesn't takes alot for you to hate someone...just some unjustified feeling, to what does that makes you?

PS: Maybe you like "ethnic cleansing" better when you don't like "expulsion"....
OP Borrka 37 | 594  
26 Oct 2009 /  #18
Look BB.
I know BdV and definitely don't trust them.
Their intentions are rarely honest and many of members suffer berserk Polonophobia.
Mr Grunwald 29 | 1,969  
28 Oct 2009 /  #19
1. Hitler & Stalin
2. Tzar Russia, Soviet Union & The Russian Fedaration (Their lust for conquest can't stop to amaze me)
3. Germany as a state (Until the year of 2001)
4. Every head of state in the country of Prussia or Germany & Tzar Russia (after the partitions)
5. Every dang member of the communist party in the times of PRL
Sasha 2 | 1,083  
28 Oct 2009 /  #20
Ranking of the most dangerous and successful enemies of Poland

1. Poland
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Similar picture would go for Russia, if you asked me.
Sokrates 8 | 3,346  
28 Oct 2009 /  #21
How is she chauvinistic?

She was against Poland joining NATO and EU on principle of Poland being Poland, she participates in an organisation that not so long ago had a high number of former SS, Gestapo and Nazi party officials (now mostly dead), she tries to glorify the German effort without mentioning its darker side.

center documenting ALL the forced expulsions during the last century?

That was not her original position, her original position was to build a center focused on German expulsions organised in such a way that it would hint Germans were a wronged party here, not that the expulsions happened as a result of the Nazi regime these people supported.

All the expulsions happened later on when she realised its just too controversial in the long run.

The woman is a chauvinist, borderline nazi supporter (she repeatedly met and is still meeting with members of the Saxon Nazi party) she thrives on controversy but under all that is also very deeply prejudiced.

She doesnt really deserve a place here though, she's a local wacko and if our politicans played it smart and took care of her quietly she wouldnt get 1/10th of publicity she gets.
1jola 14 | 1,879  
28 Oct 2009 /  #23
If you ride trams and stand in quees in Poland, you know who the enemy are. With the cold season fast approaching, the enemy mobilizes and puts on layers of armour. Yes, they are the oil drum-looking middle aged women, the most dangerous thing known to man. The look on their faces makes Gołota look like a cupid. Beware, and expect no mercy. Being polite is just a sign of weakness to them.
Crow 146 | 9,161  
28 Oct 2009 /  #24
Ranking of the most dangerous and successful enemies of Poland.

eventualy, Tusk

The Pope.

i doubt that. Current Pope Benedict must have been of Serbian ancestry (spot surname- Ratzinger). So, no matter that his family was germanized, he must feel simapaty for Poles, for sure. After all, he is Pope. Pope is Pope.
McCoy 27 | 1,269  
28 Oct 2009 /  #25
1. Poland

would rather say - Poles with their fears, prejudices, complexes and so on and on and on. i guess its every countrys and even every mans problem
Crow 146 | 9,161  
28 Oct 2009 /  #26
i guess its every countrys and even every mans problem

this was nicely said
vetala - | 382  
28 Oct 2009 /  #27
Donald Tusk could possibly cause some political damage to Poland but thanks God we have Kaczynskis twins.Our pride and the last hope of the nation lol.

Thank God you added the 'lol' or I would have thought tht you might be serious and died on a heart attack.

BTW, since there is some disagreement about who should be called an enemy of Poland, how about we just agree for a definition 'people who ******* HATE Poland'? That should give us lots of people.
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
28 Oct 2009 /  #28
Tusk as he was prepared to bring about the situation where Russian and Iranian missiles (they'd have to extend their range) were honed in on Polish targets.

Let's be honest, who really feels in danger without this shield?
jonni 16 | 2,485  
28 Oct 2009 /  #29
Yes, they are the oil drum-looking middle aged women, the most dangerous thing known to man. The look on their faces makes Gołota look like a cupid. Beware, and expect no mercy.

:-)))

For once I agree with a post from 1Jola!

And these ladies' deadliest weapon is an open umbrella, with the little points lunging straight for your eye.
southern 75 | 7,096  
28 Oct 2009 /  #30
Ha,ha,I like polish middle aged women.They are completely crazy.They are so crazy that you cannot do otherwise than to love them.

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