Real Estate / Foreigners: Please don't buy Polish Land! [823]


Not "wolf", but "polonophobe". One day he will be right, but none will take him seriously then.

Real Estate / Foreigners: Please don't buy Polish Land! [823]

Puzzler, remember the story about a little boy who cried "wolf"? Think about it. :)


I'm just being careful.


I guess I'll have to believe you than. :)

Real Estate / Foreigners: Please don't buy Polish Land! [823]


Well I would be careful with this "hurrrah optimism", but there definitely is a potential. :)

Real Estate / Foreigners: Please don't buy Polish Land! [823]


Because of the expansionism of Russia, Prussia and Austria.


Napoleon managed quite fine most of the times. Who could have known back then that he would eventually become a loser? Poles wanted liberation and one of the ways was through cooperation with France. Can we blame them for wanting their freedom?


A new conflict in Europe after the WWI was just a matter of time. Poles couldn't have done anything to change it. Sadly it was beyond our control.


I can agree with this.

Real Estate / Foreigners: Please don't buy Polish Land! [823]


I think what Grzegorz is trying to say is that at the time of the napoleon wars, the Ruskies were already very pissed off on poles. :)

Real Estate / Foreigners: Please don't buy Polish Land! [823]


Germany didn't invade poland because of Jews. they were just scapegoats.


Actually this whole "szlachta's democracy" remains me of today’s USA and other western democratic countries. What the szlachta did was just what an ordinary modern person wants. To live in peace, have as much privileges and pay as few tax as possible. Just like today’s USA government needs to have the support of it's citizens when it comes for carrying out a war outside of their territory, Polish king in the 17th century also had to do have it. And yes, at the end, in confrontation with it's neighbors this type of governing failed. Maybe today’s democratic countries should learn something from it? Just a thought...

Life / Polish denial of reality - is it a national trade? [117]


Yeah, that really must hurt. Unfortunately Poles want to be western. Want to be Americanized. And I think that in order to appreciate polish culture many will have to lose it for some time. Sad but true.

News / Political purges in Polish politics [14]



I think that you are being too harsh for them with your opinion, Giles. PIS being racist, anti-Semitic? Never heard about it. Unless you are talking more about the League of Polish Families ( I really love that name :) ). Still, they won't be around after the next elections, and their parliamentary period made them definitely less extreme.

History / Another german attack on John Paul II. [49]


I doubt it will happen. Just read some of the posts of our British membersand you will know what I mean. :)

Real Estate / Foreigners: Please don't buy Polish Land! [823]

Yes, there are still minorities present in modern Poland, but Frank did use the word "relatively homogenous".

Life / Question regarding Polish women vs Jobs abroad [110]


That's pretty good for cleaners if you ask me. :)

News / Abortion - how is the Polish government going to deal with this issue? [273]

Yep, there are the most disciplined social group when it comes for voting. But still there are to few of them to make a difference.

Life / Question regarding Polish women vs Jobs abroad [110]


Many, but I do live in Poland though. :) Personally I don't believe that there are 2 and + generation poles in the US that work as cleaners.

Real Estate / Foreigners: Please don't buy Polish Land! [823]

I can agree with that. I just don't remember why are we discussing this topic. :)

Life / Question regarding Polish women vs Jobs abroad [110]


Tell me, how many polish women of second, third, ect generation do you know that actually do work as cleaners in the US? :)

News / Abortion - how is the Polish government going to deal with this issue? [273]


Catholic church would more than probably protest here, as father Rydzyk, the owner of Radio Maryja, is beyond their jurisdiction, but yeah, I’ll have to agree, that he has a big influence on the elderly people. I have to note here though, that they are basically the only social group under this influence.

Real Estate / Foreigners: Please don't buy Polish Land! [823]


Blimey... We not only did stop the German march towards the east in the 10th century but also managed to create an independent state in the 11th. More over, we did break the Teutonic supremacy and raised as one of the leading countries in this part of Europe for another 200 years in which we not only successfully protected our land from the powers like the Ottoman empire, Sweden or Russia, but also many times put them in defensive and won. Yeah, 18th and 19th century was a vegetation, but in the 20th we did managed to regain our independence TWICE, so surely, we must have done some proper decisions along the way Frank. :)

News / Abortion - how is the Polish government going to deal with this issue? [273]


In order to take equal parts in decision making one needs to truly want to be a part of it. I don't know a single female interested in politics thus I am hazardous to say that the small percentage of women in polish parliament, or in any parliament for that matter, is due to the lack of interest of politics displayed by women.


This whole "Catholic church has so enormous impact on Poles" slogan is a myth really, very often spread by poles themselves. The fact is, that Poles are pretty much religious people (well at least more religious than the westerners) but that doesn't mean that they do whatever the priest says. That could be the case decades ago in small villages, but certainly not now. The catholic church is against contraception, and yet you won't have any problems to buy a condom here. The catholic church is against pornography and yet you will be able to buy a porn paper in every news paper agency, etc... The Catholic Church says that on Friday there shouldn’t be any parties taking place, and yet the clubs and pubs are always packed up with people... Convinced? No? Just think about your polish friends, are they really that blind religious bigots that you may think about them. You will notice that that's just not the case. We are probably more conservative, but still not that orthodox.

As for abortion, I’m just trying to figure out at what point men managed to convince women that this is what they really want. Mostly all those women that say that they are for abortion on request totally change their minds after they are really pregnant. This state just basically puts everything upside down in a woman’s life.

Very often we can hear arguments that men shouldn’t engage in a discussion about abortion because they don’t know anything about being pregnant. Well, a woman that never been pregnant also doesn’t know anything about pregnancy, about what it’s really going to be.

Abortion isn’t an easy problem to solve, but then again, this is how the adult world functions, right? A person that is mature enough to have sex should be mature enough to know that people take responsibilities for their actions. Yeah, easier said than done. I was faced by a similar problem when I was a student and 19. I was seriously thinking about avoiding this responsibility. About taking an easier path. I can tell you two things at this point: firstly, I would never judge a person that would choose abortion. Secondly, a woman at that time needs support from her loved ones and not “help” from the abortion clinic stuff.

But then again, what do I know. I’m just a man… :)


Poland has the smallest birth rate among all the EU countries, so I would think that they will try to leave the things as they are now.

History / Poland has paid £68 Million for helping UK in WW2 [168]


Yes, I agree and I never claimed anything different. As for those polish members that post about the betrayal, it's more about expressing their bitterness rather than blaming Britain for all that happened.


I will try to post it tomorrow. There's gonna be some blood, fast action, a little drama and a lot of sex! Ok, I did get carried away a little bit here, but it's definitely going to be worth reading. Don't miss it! :)


Soooo true Bubba! And some people have the nerves to call it a World War instead of British-German war! Can you believe it?!? :)

History / Poland has paid £68 Million for helping UK in WW2 [168]


So what does it mean "totally defeated"? Do you actually know anything about the September 1939? Because I really doubt it...


Oh gosh, where to start.... OK, first of all we have to understand that there's no such thing as a friendship between two countries. There can be a friendship between Mr. X and Mr. Y, but never between two governments. We can only talk about interests here, and that's exactly what got together Poland and England in the second part of the 1930's.

Before that time English government had the politics not to engage into any closer relationships with the new-established Eastern countries. Actually at many occasions GB was acting against those states, like for example during the Polish-German border conflict over Silesia, where Britain took a determined stand in favor of Germans. Again, it didn't had anything to do with British attitude towards Poles. Just simply a stronger Poland meant a weaker Germany. A weaker Germany meant stronger France. Stronger France meant balance of power destabilization on the continent, and that was the last thing British government wanted to achieve. But there was also another reason why Europe needed a strong Germany. Bolshevik Russia

. It's hard to say when the west noticed the enormous danger from Stalin's side, but it is certain that Germany was suppose to be the last Western European line of defense. Now the game was to manipulate both nations into fight so that no French or English soldiers would lose their life’s. That was a very difficult task, a very risky game, where Poland was just a mere stooge. Just as the rest of the newborn countries, their role was to eventually give land for the Germans in order to appease them, just like it happened with Czechoslovakia.

A very important date and event is October 1925 and the treaties of Locarno, where France and Belgium sign an agreement with Germany authorized their boundaries. Nothing was said about German eastern borders. It was a very delicate way to show Germans their future direction of expansion, as far away from the west as possible.

Situation got complicated on the 24th October 1938. It is a date when polish ambassador, Józef Lipski, met with the German minister of foreign affairs, Jochim von Ribbentrop, and the topic was Poland and Germany signing an agreement. This situation caused an enormous panic in British government. With East German border secure they could easily invade France, which ment a step closer to England. That is why Brits (notice that when I say brits I don't think about British common people) started to make promises that were impossible to fulfill, like those about promising to attack Germany in case of their aggression towards Poland. British army was small and weak at that time. In no means ready for an invasion. Brits and French never thought serious about attacking Germans. They were hoping that maybe Hitler will get scared and give it a rest. Unfortunately the bluff didn't work. On the first sep 1939 Germany invades Poland. Tough situation, although still, both France and Great Britain, had the chance to withdrawn from the agreement. Actually it was what Hitler was pretty sure of. He hoped that they would do it, that way leaving this Polish-German conflict as a local one. Brits and French really surprised him this time. Of course they didn't send their troops to fight. They didn't want to risk loosing them outside their land. The times were getting tough and every man was needed in their homeland. Poland fought alone for a month. Never capitulated.

This brings us to the first question, was Poland betrayed? As I said before, it all comes down to how you want to interpret the facts. I'm of an opinion that we were being played, but not betrayed. But than again every one is entitled to his own opinion. :)

To be continued....

PS: Sorry for errors. Hope you all will forgive me. :)

History / Poland has paid £68 Million for helping UK in WW2 [168]

Everything related to the so called "alternative history" is a pure speculation. :)

Polonia / Germans: Do Poles like them or dislike them? [217]

What a biased statement. :) May I make some few corrctions? Of course I may. :)

I think that by now every participant of this forum heard the term "Drang nach Osten" which refers to this German urge to go and conquer the lands situated east from them. As an excuse for their aggression Germans were convincing that they are just merely trying to convert the pagans to the one and only rightful religion, Christianity. Of course this whole crusade hadn't anything to do with the religion, but still it was a pretty though argument at that time. Their main advantage above the Slavs was that they weren't only a loose group of tribes, like the Slavs were, but thanks to the long contact with the Roman Empire they developed a centralized jurisdiction. Fortunately for the Poles, by the time our two nations met, poles also had achieved it. Than, the first known polish ruler, Mieszko I, decided freely to be baptized form the hands of Czechs in 966. Thanks to it not only Germans lost their primary argument for conquering the Eastern Europe, but also Mieszko managed to establish an completely independent polish church! Poland was now a part of the European community and cut the Germans from other pagan countries (they lost their territory of future expansion). Further more, Mieszko's son, Boleslav the Brave, managed to crown himself, which made him equal with the rest of the European rulers.

The history of Polish-German conflict is very long... The important thing is to know that Poland not only managed to maintain it's sovereign and independence, stopped the German walk towards east but also established a very strong and meaningful state just under the Germanys nose. If we would gather all Polish-German conflicts we would see that in most cases it was Poles that actually where the victors. Germany never could eliminate Poland from the map. It couldn't ever do it on their own, had to had a help from Austria and Russia to finally accomplish it, and yet, as the history has shown us, that also didn't quite work out. :)

News / GERMAN PSYCHOPATHS INSULTING POLISH PEOPLE [95]


Because it's not a constructive discussion? Daffy is right… More facts, less insults.

Food / what is the best way to skin and cook a rabbit? [60]

Ewwww..... I was thinking about a deer, a moose, or maybe about a raccoon... but rats? Ewwww....

News / GERMAN PSYCHOPATHS INSULTING POLISH PEOPLE [95]

As for Germans being the best.... How long have we been neighbors? Over 1000 years? Yep, that's pretty much it, and yet, you still haven't managed to destroy us. Apparently you aren’t good enough. :)

Food / Typical Polish Diet [22]

It can be very stodgy, but at the same time there is a great variety of "fast" dishes, that proves that meat isn’t the most important ingredient of polish cuisine. Or maybe I should have wrote "there was a great variety of "fast" dishes” as nobody is practicing 40 day long fast any more these days. :(

Food / what is the best way to skin and cook a rabbit? [60]

Hehehe... We aren't that desperate. :)

These days only the rich and hunters eat venison.

Love / Polish attitude towards sex [194]

Westerners have the tendency to place the equal mark between polish, Irish and Italian Catholicism, but in fact, they all differ extremely. Just my 2 p worth.

Food / what is the best way to skin and cook a rabbit? [60]


The best polish dish is rumored to be " rabbit pate with auszpik (don't even ask me what that is :) ) covered with cranberry sauce". Unfortunately polish cuisine is still recovering from the times of communism, where people ate what was basically available. Still, I see things starting to improve. :)

News / Germans file WWII claims against Poland [198]


That would be great... but those problems won't be resolved before polish courts unfortunately. :(

The whole situation is ridiculous... What those Germans try to do is to separate the cause and the effect. They try to separate the fact that they started the war with the later German exodus as if one didn't have anything to do with the other one. Suddenly, all those Germans that were forced to emigrate were all anti-nazi. Majority of them fled because they were afraid of the Red Army. Of course, the Russians won't pay for it now. Nobody won’t even mention it. The people that will pay for it will be the Poles that had a cheek to move into their abandoned homes. Just as a side news for you, those Poles that later replaced those Germans were nailed down to leave their homes by Russians as their land became part of todays Ukraine, Belarus and Lithuania. What have they done wrong to deserve all this? They didn't start the war. It wasn't their idea to move from their homes to Szczecin etc... Actually, it weren't even the new established Polish government that shifted the border more to the west, but it was Stalin and Roosevelt’s idea. (Churchill also was present, but as somebody rightfully noticed before, he didn't had much to say there), and yet it will be those people, and they children that will suffer from this situation.

PS: The biggest laugh is that the head of the Federation of Expellees, Erika Steinbach, was born on Polish land in 1941 during the German occupation, and still has the nerves to call herself an expellee!!!! WTF? Her father is from western-central Germany, her mother is from Berlin, and yet, she feels as a ******* victim because she was born on the land that was annexed to Germany after the German attack! The world is mad I tell you!!!