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Poland has paid £68 Million for helping UK in WW2


David_18 68 | 982  
7 Jan 2007 /  #1
Myth: The Polish Air Force was wiped out of existence during German invasion, and took no further part in WW II.

More on ww2-aviation.net/polavhist/myths.html



68 million pounds just cuz we helped them ty Uk. Go to this site kind of interesting.
Frank 23 | 1,183  
7 Jan 2007 /  #2
And how much did the UK pay USA for the war loan they were forced to take out....?...5 billion....so lets divide that by 68 million....comes too..???...........not a lot....!!!!.....the war was tough for all involved..........some people got screwed, millions died, Russia became a super power and occupied 10 countries..USA got rich.........spot a pattern?

Yeah, the small countries came out worst....
OP David_18 68 | 982  
7 Jan 2007 /  #3
OK lets say. you where walking in the street and a guy jumpes infront of you and he beat you up, then i c this and say ey stop and i beat him up for you. Well would you tell me to pay you for helping you?? NO!!
BubbaWoo 33 | 3,510  
7 Jan 2007 /  #4
and when exactly did the uk repay the loan... christmas... 2006... couple of weeks ago...
Frank 23 | 1,183  
7 Jan 2007 /  #5
eeemm.....5000,000,000 versus 68,000,000........regardless of when it was paid......and with the interest accruing........more like twice that amount.....
BubbaWoo 33 | 3,510  
7 Jan 2007 /  #6
america charged for every bullet fired during the first gulf conflict... despite starting it themselves...
Varsovian 92 | 634  
8 Jan 2007 /  #7
And just tell me how much Poland paid for every French soldier that died fighting the Germans at Verdun?
French military valour, not forgetting the British and Commonwealth troops slaughtered in Flanders, bought Polish independence in 1918.
French military advisers, including De Gaulle helped you keep it in 1920.
What do Poles think about the French army? - Bunch of cowards!
Wrong! Their military strategists in 1940 were as bad as Poland's were in 1939 - when the Poolish army put in a terribly poor performance. No-one, mind you, likes to tell the Poles that with the army they had they could have done 10 times better against the Germans, because it's history and you can't change it. Poles do love to distort things though!
OP David_18 68 | 982  
8 Jan 2007 /  #8
And just tell me how much Poland paid for every French soldier that died fighting the Germans at Verdun?

Dont understand:(

Well Poland had like 2-5 days to mobilize FRANCE had like 1 year to mobilize. and they got help from britain and the POLES.
MATRIX  
8 Jan 2007 /  #9
i read Arkady Fiedler's book about it,and I have big respect for them ! BRAVE SOLDIERS !
And not only in Poland people know thatFrench are cowards,also in Spain that is know !
Frank 23 | 1,183  
8 Jan 2007 /  #10
bought Polish independence in 1918.

V...this is true?.........so in effect Poland is virtually a colony of France...by default...joking now!

Polish troops whilst brave and resourceful, were no match for the cruelty driven Germans....no one was, in all honesty....even the Russians were in awe, until they used their own men as cannon fodder to overwhelm, by shear absolute weight of numbers the Germans....

And not only in Poland people know thatFrench are cowards,

And what nationality do you represent....matrix...your own...?...then again one one cares....

France lost millions in WWI, they never really recovered by 1939.....
OP David_18 68 | 982  
8 Jan 2007 /  #11
and POLAND?? in WWI, Poland was in a mittle front for the russian and german troops you dont think Poles lost their lifes?? the whole Poland was destroyed in WWI.
Frank 23 | 1,183  
8 Jan 2007 /  #12
Well......I am only familiar with WWI on the western front....apols.....I am not for one moment belittling...ANYONES part in the wars............everyone suffered.........especially Poland....and more so in 1939-45....then the purgatory from 1944-89....:(

May they all rest in peace.
OP David_18 68 | 982  
8 Jan 2007 /  #13
Well we all should remember the glory days of Poland from 1300-1800 century.
Varsovian 92 | 634  
8 Jan 2007 /  #14
David_18 made my point more eloquently than I could have.
Verdun is something of which you are completely ignorant.

The French did not fight for Polish independence, but without the slaughter fighting the Germans at places such as Verdun (in WW1, for the historically challenged) Poland wouldn't have become independent.

It is this level of fundamental ignorance that is shown whenever a Pole glosses over the enormous Western bloodshed, which as an absolutely necessary part of Poland getting independence, and concentrates solely and exclusively on the tragedy of WW2.

And if you're saying that France had a year to mobilise for WW1, then you're wrong.
Frank 23 | 1,183  
8 Jan 2007 /  #15
I will let you guys ...keep at it....so are we going to invest in Poland or not???????....:)
Varsovian 92 | 634  
8 Jan 2007 /  #16
I've invested heavily in Poland, for my own personal profit.
I just hope the historically-illiterate such as Belka's ex-secretary, who now passes for a Foreign Affairs minister, will stop joining in with her twittish intellectually-midget twin bosses in shouting "Boo-hoo, everybody hates us and is always stabbing us in the back!"
Crazy Horse RV  
8 Jan 2007 /  #17
The basic truth is that in war there are no winners. There are no losers. There are only survivors, and one must do whatever it takes to survive.
Frank 23 | 1,183  
8 Jan 2007 /  #18
one must do whatever it takes to survive.

Really.........?...are you sure?...don't want to have a second go at this post?
ogorek - | 165  
8 Jan 2007 /  #19
France, the UK and Russia fought to protect themselves only in WW1 - to protect themselves against the agresive Germany. Germany only gave up because the USA came into the war. Poland, France, UK and Russia should be grateful to the USA, both in WW1 and WW2. Also lets not forget, if it wasn't for Poland, you'd all have first been speaking Mongolian(13th C), then Turkish(17th C), then Russian (1920) Ultimately, along with many international soldiers, we thank the US for our freedom.

It is this level of fundamental ignorance that is shown whenever a Pole glosses over the enormous Western bloodshed, which as an absolutely necessary part of Poland getting independence, and concentrates solely and exclusively on the tragedy of WW2.

Poland is very aware of what France and allies did for it through the ages - just look at some of the monuments around the city. There's Charles de Gaulle square with a statue

of De Gaulle for his help during the 1920 war with Russia and tributes to allied help during the war. Napoleon square which was changed to Uprisers square after the war. Poland knows what the others have done, but concentrates solely and exclusively on the tragedy of WW2 becuase of what they failed to do in 1939. France had the largest army in Europe in 1939 - it had a year to mobilize in 1939. Poland was actually not doing to badly holding off the Germans but the support never came - and time food and bullets ran out.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Krojanty
Wayc00lio 2 | 57  
8 Jan 2007 /  #20
And how much did the UK pay USA for the war loan they were forced to take out....?...5 billion

It was actually 40 Billion - we only just paid it off last month!
lef 11 | 478  
9 Jan 2007 /  #21
we thank the US for our freedom.

I think you have been reading too many american war magazines and comic books.
Frank 23 | 1,183  
9 Jan 2007 /  #22
It was actually 40 Billion - we only just paid it off last month!

Way...as you can see it was as below...plus another £1.2 billion from canada!

"In 1945 Britain borrowed $4.34bn from the US consisting of a $3.75bn line of credit and a "lend-lease" loan facility of $586m. The following year the government agreed a $1.185bn line of credit loan from Canada."

The USA war effort was huge, relative to the overall Western effort.....but paltry compared to the Russian........the numbers killed back that up..........80% of all German war casualties killed by the Russians.....!
iwona 12 | 542  
9 Jan 2007 /  #23
I don't think we should thank too much. War is not a charity. Any country joined or fighted they did it for their own benefits .

And just tell me how much Poland paid for every French soldier that died fighting the Germans at Verdun?
French military valour, not forgetting the British and Commonwealth troops slaughtered in Flanders, bought Polish independence in 1918.


Bought? They fighted for themselves not Poland .....As Germany lost Poland also got free.
Frank 23 | 1,183  
9 Jan 2007 /  #24
Iwona...there was still a huge price to pay....so you would have preferred not to have become independent?

So the tens of thousands of Irish men who voluntered to fight in WWII...did so for their own selfish ends?...indeed so did many other groups...because it was the right thing to do!!!!!
iwona 12 | 542  
9 Jan 2007 /  #25
Frank,

I didn't want to sound cynical.I am not.

I don't know what is the dictionary definition for hero-war hero.
I have full respect for them as patriots fighting for independence of their countries. But their priorities are their own countries.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163  
9 Jan 2007 /  #26
And just tell me how much Poland paid for every French soldier that died fighting the Germans at Verdun?

Nothing. Why the hell we should ?
Frank 23 | 1,183  
9 Jan 2007 /  #27
So the tens of thousands of Irish men who voluntered to fight in WWII...did so for their own selfish ends?...indeed so did many other groups...because it was the right thing to do!!!!!

I have full respect for them as patriots fighting for independence of their countries. But their priorities are their own countries

Maybe I was not clear iwona...these were Irishmen who fought in the British army, as they had been for generations...partly because there was no other "work" and partly because they had a yearning for "causes"...doing the right thing.

Sure some may have had other motives...but they joined individually....not a due to government pressure etc...
Riff - | 61  
9 Jan 2007 /  #28
Frank, Without the USA building the Russian railroads and supplying the Russians. The German casualties would have been much lower and Russia would have become German. The Russians killed would have been 5 times the ammount. Besides their freedom and their lives what money would France and Russia owe the USA?
ogorek - | 165  
9 Jan 2007 /  #29
I think you have been reading too many american war magazines and comic books.

Not really - it's just true. Of course other countires contributed to victory but the US tipped the balance both times. Nothing wrong with that - good to work in a team!!
Wayc00lio 2 | 57  
9 Jan 2007 /  #30
Way...as you can see it was as below...plus another £1.2 billion from canada!

"In 1945 Britain borrowed $4.34bn from the US consisting of a $3.75bn line of credit and a "lend-lease" loan facility of $586m. The following year the government agreed a $1.185bn line of credit loan from Canada."

The USA war effort was huge, relative to the overall Western effort.....but paltry compared to the Russian........the numbers killed back that up..........80% of all German war casualties killed by the Russians.....!

Yes, we borrowed that amount in 1945 but having just paid off the last installment in Dec 06, with interest it amounted to a whopping £40 Billion. And that's POUNDS, not dollars!!!!. I misunderstood your post Frank, I was just going by the BBC news report I watched on the day the debt was finally paid off. My apologies mate - sorry about the confusion!

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