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Interests: I'm 48 yrs old. Reading, social advocacy, tennis

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Syrena_04   
29 Nov 2006
Love / Feminism effects both sexes in a different way - opinions? [115]

I wish I had not used your joke to illustrate my argument. I was trying to illustrate my argument, and I forgot how it might affect you, Frank. I can sometimes get lost in my ideas and forget the impact on people. I did not mean to express any disrespect towards your opinion. And I don't agree with the insults you are getting. I do feel responsible for what is happening.
Syrena_04   
28 Nov 2006
Love / Feminism effects both sexes in a different way - opinions? [115]

Gee thanks Miranda. I may not post every day (I have to work long hours this week) but I'm not forgetting the thread. I have more to say. I'm really glad that people are posting; we can discuss and share points of views. I am really enjoying this. Cheers and take care.
Syrena_04   
28 Nov 2006
Love / Feminism effects both sexes in a different way - opinions? [115]

This is actually a good example of what happens in the pack when one of its members expresses a dissenting point of view. Some of the pack members will mock, threaten, ostracize him for it. It takes courage to stand up to the pack.

I should try to explain what I meant. I don’t mean to be this longwinded but I’m afraid this is me.

Human societies organize themselves in various kinds of groups, both formal and informal such as countries, races, genders, rich, poors, cities, families, groups of friends, cyber-forums, etc. The ‘alpha male or female’ is the leader of such a group. This model of organization also exists in animals such as wolfes, chimpazees and possibly many others. When one of the members of such a group challenges the beliefs of the others, or the beliefs held by the group as a whole, and upheld by the ‘alpha’, the other members will try to protect the ‘alpha’ and themselves by discrediting the dissenting member. The more threatening the challenge, the more severe the reaction will be from the group. It can go from mockery, to insults, to threats, to duels, to isolation. For example, a threat to a ruling king would probably mean a death sentence to the challenger. A threat to a world view such as the one Galileo and Copernicus voiced had similar dire consequences for at least Galileo (I don’t know what happened to Copernicus).

Similarly, when a person adopts a position that goes against what the other members of that group think , that person will more than likely face a similar reaction, (mockery, insults, threats, duels, isolation).

Protecting, or siding, with women is often viewed as a challenge to men’s authority over women. Therefore, men will often react by mocking the man who sides with women. They might tease him by asking who wears the pants in his house, or by asking if he has been neutered, therefore attacking his masculinity, his virility and his ability to rule a woman. In certain groups, the ‘punishment’ might be much worst.

So, the ‘pack’ I referred to in this case = whoever believes that women are not equal to men as persons.

The dissenting member = Wolfie’s comment that women are equals.

The ‘punishment’ = the joke about him being neutered.
Syrena_04   
27 Nov 2006
Life / Are there any neutral or positive stereotypes of poles? [40]

Have you ever heard of 'Old World charm'? Polish men and women are the best example.

Highly intelligent.

Resilient and courageous.

But I don't suppose you know what I'm talking about, do you.
Syrena_04   
27 Nov 2006
Love / Feminism effects both sexes in a different way - opinions? [115]

Wolfie...have you been neutered...or are you a wannabee neutee?

This is actually a good example of what happens in the pack when one of its members expresses a dissenting point of view. Some of the pack members will mock, threaten, ostracize him for it. It takes courage to stand up to the pack.

I am sorry Syrena that I have started the tread first -

That's ok, Miranda. I did say I wouldn't create one, then changed my mind. :)

This topic has really upset me. (Not the posts - although I kept watching the sky for a mushroom cloud).

Each sex has different strengths and weaknesses, nature intended this way, why should we try to second guess mother nature???!!

I agree. Men and women complement each other in many wonderful ways. And it is not about the condition of women in Europe and in North America that concerns me the most. Although (and keep in mind that I am in a different generational group) it was not that long ago that things started to change even there.

I rather like what we call here the 'Old World charm', for ex., having the door opened for me, having my escort pick up the tab, men who stand when a woman enters the room (no jokes here please). When these actions are accompanied by true respect, this is a beautiful world.

If everyone agrees, let's close this thread. Oh no, we're still waiting for Matyjasz.
Syrena_04   
26 Nov 2006
Love / Feminism effects both sexes in a different way - opinions? [115]

Frank, you raised a number of good points:

Men/women have different "value" systems....do the females on the board feel that their worth is now to be measured solely by a male originated system....ie money?

I'm not sure what you mean by different values for men and for women. Could you expand on this please? For me, the issue is access to the market economy, if it is desired, and to the financial resources that will facilitate self-determination and even more importantly basic survival in some cases. Money does not equal self-worth. It might equal power and influence in the eyes of others, but not self-worth.

its a genetic insitinctive thing

Again, I'd like to clarify. Are you saying that motherhood is a genetic instinctive behaviour? I would agree that, physiologically, women are better equipped to help with the survival of the offsprings. In many women, there is also a 'mothering' behaviour that translates into nurturing, loving and protecting but I would disagree that this behaviour is universally present in women. Which portion of it is genetically-derived or learned is difficult to determine. But it is not, in my view, a universal genetic instinctive behaviour trait.

I am not saying that male originated systems are to be rejected. What discourages me is that so many people, men and women, have tried so hard for so long to make this world a better place over the years, and it seems as if hardly a dent has been made.
Syrena_04   
26 Nov 2006
Love / Feminism effects both sexes in a different way - opinions? [115]

This is a follow-up to a conversation started in the 'Miranda' thread, in Introductions. Please refer to it for additional context.

What bothers me is that children, mostly girls, along with young boys, are used as sex toys for sex tourists.

What also bothers me is that some women are taught to believe that they have no value unless they belong to a man. And even then.

That some women are still used as chattel.

That some women are also taught to believe that what they think, need and believe is of no importance. That in some cases, being a woman does not mean anything at all.

And that that teaching is done, often, by women themselves.

I'm not trying to complain about my own personal situation, but I am indignant about human rights abuse of all kinds.

And another thing:

Up until recently, most medical research has used men only in study groups. Women's physiology was assumed to be the same and to react in the same fashion. What a surprise (!) that recently, heart attack symptoms were understood to be different in men and in women.

And I resent being taught that men are weak, that allowances have to be made for their lack of this or of that. That a woman has to tend to such fragile egos and make up the difference. This is an insult to both sexes.

And I pity the priest of any denomination who will attempt to give permission to a man, on my behalf, to kiss me. The 'You may kiss the bride' will only be said by me !

It does not mean that a woman won't cook, clean, do laundry. It just means that she's not an empty shell.

I've got to stop now. This is getting to me.
Syrena_04   
25 Nov 2006
Language / Polish Language Pronunciation - Example Words and Phrases [178]

"Małgorzata" and "Małgosia"

Can you tell me how to pronounce both of those names with correct Polish pronunciation?

Hi Blissfl,

I am taking Polish lessons and I will attempt an answer but I am hoping that Krysia or another Polish speaker has a chance to correct me if I'm wrong. Using English as a comparison:

Małgorzata = Mau-go-ja-ta (Mau pronounced like the Mau in Maui)

Małgosia = Mau-go-sha
Syrena_04   
23 Nov 2006
Love / I'm upset - you encourage foreigners to take the Polish women away [94]

once the heart's broken, there is nothing left to break

I don't know what to say to this. This is a beautiful message, Huegel. Thanks. I might e-mail this week-end. If you change your mind about going first, go ahead.

BTW, have you read my Intro?

Take care.
Syrena_04   
23 Nov 2006
Life / Appropriate Gift for Wigilia [7]

Thanks Wroclaw. Are there more traditional gifts that are offered on Wigilia?
Syrena_04   
23 Nov 2006
Life / Appropriate Gift for Wigilia [7]

My Polish teacher has invited me to celebrate Wigilia with her family. I am non-Polish. She will be cooking a traditional 12-course meal. I would like to bring an appropriate gift for her and for her husband. Usually, I would bring flowers and a good bottle. How does that sound? Should I also bring gifts for the other guests? Many thanks for the feedback.
Syrena_04   
23 Nov 2006
Love / I'm upset - you encourage foreigners to take the Polish women away [94]

Sorry for being off topic here -

So, that is that sorted and as for life, well, it got a lot easier once i solved my other problem

Well, I'm glad to hear it Huegel.

Who are you and what have you done with our Syrena???)

I read somewhere you were a Trekkie too. I think I got beamed up :)

Sometimes a change is as good as a rest you know.

It wouldn't take me much encouragement to jump on a plane and go away for a while, indeed. How are you finding Austria?
Syrena_04   
22 Nov 2006
Life / The strangest things in Poland [468]

All the best...

Thanks Miranda. I appreciate the info. I will continue my Polish lessons for now and see where life takes me.

All the best to you.
Syrena_04   
22 Nov 2006
News / Mine disaster in Poland [23]

I'm very sorry to hear that. I will keep them and their families in my prayers.
Syrena_04   
19 Nov 2006
Feedback / Fab Forum [18]

You're welcome. I hope Irish sees it, too.
Syrena_04   
19 Nov 2006
Feedback / Fab Forum [18]

Irish,

You write beautifully. I encourage you to post more often.

Cheers,
Syrena
Syrena_04   
19 Nov 2006
News / Made in Poland products? [66]

I leave a trail for others to follow

hey, that was _my_ quote... coming back to haunt me, I see? :)
Syrena_04   
19 Nov 2006
News / Made in Poland products? [66]

I've see jam. I have not been looking for anything else since I usually shop at the Polish grocery store but I would bet there is more. In Canada.
Syrena_04   
19 Nov 2006
Life / The strangest things in Poland [468]

clapping in the plane

ohh... you meant 'in' the plane - I thought it was clapping from whoever was observing it landing ... :) :) There was no clapping in my plane.

if you have problems with someone at your work in Poland you talk to him first

I would feel right at home, then.

The smoking in public places was different for me. We have had a non-smoking by-law in parts of Canada for years now and I had forgotten how it was before, being a non-smoker. It was an extremely unpopular by-law at the time, mind you, but it seems that smokers, organizations and businesses have found ways to adapt to it, as best they could.

Have you lived in Canada all your life?

Yes, I have. I had not planned to but that's how it worked out. You have lived in Poland after living in the US, is that right? How was it living in Poland, finding a job, being an immigrant, returning to Canada (zl vs Cdn $)?