News / If Poland is attacked by Russia will N.A.T.O help defend Poland or not? [171]


No argument here, I second that notion, as for counting on help from NATO or US is like relying on special education student tutoring you in physics.


More like 1939 only in reverse, Germany once again taking the initiative on their own (or would it?) 17 days later shaking hands with Russians at Vistula River happy there’s no more of those pesky Poles to deal with and finally build the pipeline, business as usual. NATO and EU officials would still be congratulating themselves on how good of the deal they made with Russia giving them Poland getting nothing back in return with exception of some empty promise and US taking all the credit for the negotiation and bragging how they managed to stop further Russian expansion. Prediction worthy of Nostradamus.


Been there in 39, history likes to repeat itself.


How exactly is that?, explain please.

History / Serbian contribution to Poland's independance after WWI [70]


Related? no, but you have to give some credit to the guy, after two years I’ve spend on this forum his massage is consistent and it makes you wonder sometimes. If I believed in Utopian society, perhaps this would be it.

Love / Girls in Poland so desperate for$ Poland has the greatest no of Prostitutes [135]


Your personal observation in Dublin, that explains all. What’s the matter, your money didn’t buy you a woman? I recommend spending it on plastic surgery, perhaps then you will have a chance at a proper introduction to a woman and not be refused. It's a sad day indeed when even a prostitute refuses to render her services to the likes of you.

History / Serbian contribution to Poland's independance after WWI [70]

Yes I know but that's the perception one gets when reading BB's statements. I did not mean it that way though I simply made a spelling mistake. I have to go now but I will return to this topic. Have fun all.

History / Serbian contribution to Poland's independance after WWI [70]


No you are complicating the matter by introducing new arguments. As far as I’m concerned we were talking about the potential of Slavic coalition forming within the structures of the EU, a hypothetical scenario since as you can see for yourself Slavs at the moment are very much fractured. No matter which direction you look at. You might not see it happening and I respect your opinion, but I do. It’s not some pissing contest about EU, it’s not a bashing thread against Germany, lighten up will you it’s just my opinion period.


That’s not what I meant when I said perception and you know it, so why do you deliberately foggy this discussion?


I do it all the time, and no it’s not the fault of Germany, the way I see it if they want to know what will it take to get my vote is to have more of an open discussions with people instead of taking a poll to see what issues are popular at the time. If you want to be taken seriously as an worthy politician then you should know the issues that people are concerned about and not take some poll to show you the direction or position that you should take on certain issue just because it seems as that’s what’s popular.


Like I’ve said you must be reading the polls I’ve participated in.

History / Serbian contribution to Poland's independance after WWI [70]


So the sentiment on the street is of no importance in your opinion.


So am I for the most part, just little skeptical about it.


I never said it is, but you are looking for perception, one can find it if one looks hard enough for it.


I couldn’t put it better myself.


Perhaps you should not. In communist times it was always an unanimous decision of the people yet the whispers on the streets reflected different reality, so which one proved to be true eventually?


I never said the EU should not be appreciated, all I’m saying is that the perception of Germany running the show within EU is there, and as soon as that will be seen as a threat the Slavic coalition will emerge to counterbalance it, is that what really bothers you?


Sometimes you are logical and meticulous in your argument so what happened here that you’re such a child about it?

History / Serbian contribution to Poland's independance after WWI [70]


I know many of you are a doubting Thomas types and you want polls and statistic, including you BB, well I don’t have any but that does not mean I’m wrong, all you have to do is to have a conversation with an average Joe out there to see what the true perception of the populace is. People do not see the credit extended to the government or the reason for some shipyard being closed. All they see is what effects them, if they have a job or not, if their lives are improving or not. Right or wrong it does not matter and even you can’t deny this reality. People remember only the things that they personally feel wronged by. Most of the EU job market being closed to Poles is just one such issue. It gives the perception that Germany is not really on our side. No matter how much BB would like to take the credit for helping Poland it’s the reluctance of allowing Polish workers to compete on the German or French job market that will be remembered by many.

History / Serbian contribution to Poland's independance after WWI [70]


No need to be offended to many it’s crystal clear, although I agree for the most part with what Socrates has stated earlier that’s not the way it’s perceived by many.

History / Serbian contribution to Poland's independance after WWI [70]


Maybe so, but it’s the view of many that EU is nothing more than a private playground of the Germans. Although you exhort a great deal of pressure to keep the status quo, it’s precisely those policies that will eventually backfire on you. What you fail to realize is that the face of the EU has changed, instead of promoting unity you are seen as a dictator, You see your eventual downfall and diminished influence within EU will not be the result of some big bad Pole not liking you, it’s because of your attitude, “my way or the highway”, exhibited not only by your politicians but also by yourself here on this forum.

History / Serbian contribution to Poland's independance after WWI [70]


We are talking about hypothetical future events, not some sort of alliance against the policies of EU. All I’m saying is that with the way things are at the moment Slavic states will have to form that coalition to protect their own interests, and it’s the policies of the EU itself that is unconsciously bringing possibility of such reality. In my opinion this scenario will come to pass sooner than most of us realize.

History / Serbian contribution to Poland's independance after WWI [70]


There you go, the precedence exists.

History / Serbian contribution to Poland's independance after WWI [70]


Same happened with the Soviet version of pan-Slavic world. Besides Unity comes in many forms, it does not necessarily mean one humongous Slavic Super state. I don’t see any barriers against forming some sort of coalition within EU that would represent the Slavic interests, those of the smaller states within EU and be a counterbalance to the bigger states that might not always have the interests of the smaller states at heart. That’s the way I see future Slavic Brotherhood, eventually the policies of the EU will bring this on.


Your hunch is wrong; all you have to do is to look at the recent history. When there was uprising in Hungary, people were very much interested in and in solidarity with those events and people of Hungary, you see it’s the Policy of others that very much dictates the course of your own action. If you feel a victim of certain policies you naturally will sympathies and support the other victim. Simple human nature.

History / Serbian contribution to Poland's independance after WWI [70]


I used to be of the same opinion, I’m not so sure anymore. Although there are disagreements amongst us Slavs and what might look like a chaos in general to the eyes of the westerners, there are many factors outside of our control that seem to push many smaller Slavic states in that general direction. Never judge the mood of the people by the politicians they are represented by. They generally live in their own dream states disconnected from the reality by being high on the internal struggles of the individual parties they represent or the office they currently have. Yes currently we have the split, not only in the Balkan states but also our neighbors could not pass the test of Unity. This is not necessarily a bad thing, sometimes you have to get burned to realize you need help and to see you can’t go at it alone. The way I see it, the coalition therefore the Unity of Slavic states eventually will be formed within the structures of EU itself out of the necessity to protect our own interests and existence. Although the Slavs themselves currently prefer to go their own ways, ironically the West itself will prove to be the Unifying factor in bringing us closer together.

History / Serbian contribution to Poland's independance after WWI [70]


That’s what you think. Recent history definitely (but it was mainly due to the German and Russian influence, at least in case of Poland and it was not in their interest to promote unity amongst the Slavs and it still is not) you have to keep in mind that history that was thought to you was written in the 19th century by the German historians and their theories of German superiority who were of the impression that they brought the civilization to the Slavic nations of Europe when in fact we even refused to take Christianity from them.

To test this theory asks yourself this question. What do you know of the Slavic history? When all you have been thought of European Middle Ages in school is concentrated on Franks and their successors. Half of Europe is omitted in your version of history of your own continent. All you have managed to learn is how the good old West is the defender of post classical heritage against the barbarian Slavs hell bent on destroying it. Even the most recent history that you have been thought was heavily influenced by the recent political division of Europe and Cold War mentality. All you seem to know is that propaganda only existed in the Eastern Bloc nations and you don’t see it in your own. Besides bringing the Marxist ideology as Slavic invention into this is foolish on your part, not only that it’s a totally Western idea not of Slavic origin at all and against the principals of the form of government Slavic people always had, with the exception of Russians (there always is one), but it was another founding father of that ideology Engels who theorized that the general war which will eventually break out will scatter the Slavic alliance, and annihilate all these small Slavic nations.

It looks to me like even the political theorists of that time “who were supposedly for the people and promoting unity” were of opposing view to yours regarding Slavic Unity, or perhaps scared of the idea of potential Slavic alliance, and rightly so, Crow is right it’s a force that has a great potential and which should be explored more. Marx and Engels were anti-Slavic chauvinists. In fact Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels were both Germans and the work they have produced “The Communist Manifesto” has nothing to do with the Slavs in general, the association does not exist at all. Perhaps you meant Stalinst-Leninist idea? The Soviet invention, which is the New and Improved version of what you have read. In case you wonder, this one does not work either.

Genealogy / The Name "Szumilas" [5]


Can't say that I do but when you cross reference that name on "moikrewni" page you will find that some people with that name live in Dąbrowa Tarnowska region and I have noticed that you have asked for a village name of Brzezówka which also happens to be in that region, so there's a strong probability that this might be the place you were asking for.

Genealogy / Where is Brazazowa or Brazazowka? [24]


There’s more than one village with that name on the Polish side of what Galicia used to be. Personally I know of two, one just north-east of Dąbrowa Tarnowska the other just west of Ropczyce but there are more; one in Rzeszów County, one in Jasło County and possibly even more not including Ukrainian side of Galicia.

Genealogy / Where is Brazazowa or Brazazowka? [24]

It’s true that the records are notorious for misspellings, as for it to be Brzozów I doubt that very much, although it’s in the region it’s not similar sounding to the original transcription. The village in question is probably “Brzezówka” but it could be a lot of other similar sounding names. Galicja is a huge region so you would have to be more specific and know at least the nearest town. If you have old correspondence saved by your ancestors you can pinpoint the location more accurately.

Life / Communion, why do only half of church-goers in Poland take it? [41]

Ireland32 is absolutely right. The Lord Jesus instituted the holy Eucharist on Covenant Thursday and according to the RC church teaching you can only partake in the holy communion if you're in the state of grace in the eyes of God ( You are without a Cardinal Sin or sin depends on an individual) and you can only partake in it once a day. Since your body is a vessel which receives the body of Christ (God himself) it's up to an individual to judge for himself if he/she is worthy to receive Him. For some the criteria will be very strict while others will have more relaxed view of whether one is worthy or not. For some a lie will be a sin while others might dismiss it. It's an individual choice. As a RC you are required to partake in this sacrament on certain occasions only because the requirement of confession have been met and one is truly in the state of grace, otherwise it's up to the individual to judge the worthiness to receive this sacrament for himself. One is required to partake in this sacrament at the time of your First Holy Communion, immediately after the sacrament of baptism if you received this sacrament when you are older initiate to the faith, at the time of receiving the sacrament of marriage or if you take the religious route and become a priest at your ordination, after you have repented and confessed your sins and of course for the rest of us at least once a year because you are required to attend mass at least once a year. As you can see it's an individual choice not an requirement to participate at every single mass and in my opinion people are exercising better judgement despite what people of other faiths might think. But of course since the Eucharist is viewed as a spiritual nourishment of one's soul and a sign of reaffirming your faith, as a RC the more you partake in communion with God, the better.

History / Another WWII thread. [69]


Perhaps but not for the reasons you have stated and the admiration bit is also over the top. You can acknowledge someone's successes and learn from their tactics but you would never ever admire anyone who you consider to be racially, mentally and culturally subservient to yourself. While Brits might have been considered a step above the Slavs, still you were not true Arian either, that honour was reserved for someone of the pure German blood only.


He never planed on doing such thing. His plans for the East and its people are well documented by the historians. The very first days of the war had shown that the Nazi invader was devoid of any humanitarian feelings and had no respect for international conventions or rules for the conduct of war through which it had shown what was about to follow. Every day brought reports of atrocities being committed on the civilian population by the Wehrmacht in the territories they had overrun. The occupation authorities proved themselves as brutal and vicious, and devoid of any laws be it that of the local population or that of Germany itself but could have they done otherwise?, when they were just looking after the livestock, yet you make it sound like they would have govern these territories in Roman fashion. At least the Romans had respect for the local laws and traditions. Both the British and the Romens for the most part cared only about the profits from the conquered territories. Which was demonstrated by the British administration of India and other parts of the Empire, Nazis did not, as we all know they had an ideological element to their conquest which was even more important to their notion of the Great German Empire and a Thousand Year Reich.


This very much depends on your perspective. I would had argue otherwise but if you do admire the policy and the vision of the new world order under Nazi regime then you do have the point.


Who are you kidding, at this point Britain would have served its purpose, no longer needed by the Thousand Year Reich and would have been discarded as easily as one discards dirty pair of socks.

Both of you can praise the Nazi Germany and make a descent attempt of defending Hitler's policies as well as what his plans for alliance might have been or what if scenario, but deep down inside you both know the bitter truth and what the reality and consequences of such alliance might have been.

History / Another WWII thread. [69]


If you insist. I guess that's the difference between you and I. I admit that my interpretation is just plain false. You believe in and insist on yours fully acknowledging the fact that it was planed well in advanced and it had nothing to do with the act of cowardliness by stating


now here's an oxymoron for you.

History / Another WWII thread. [69]


Yet still posting this photo to prove your earlier statement, and a little disclaimer on your part means nothing to the casual reader.


Now here's a man with fair knowledge of history. Not all of his posts are favourable to Poland, yet his assessments are fair, factual straight to the point and for the most part I do agree with him. Now my knowledge of history is shit compared to his. He's a real history buff and a strait shooter, but your knowledge is way below my. Something to think about.


So did I. However the interpretation of those facts are just ridicules on my part as well as yours. Give it a rest will you. I'm tiered of reading you BS. Since you pull the crap out of your a**, I reciprocate in the same fashion.

History / Another WWII thread. [69]


Same can be said about your knowledge of history. Facts, what facts? Your claim of the British sailing ENE? What's this picture supposed to prove that British sailed past Poles in opposite direction? I don't see British Navy there, do you? You proved shit, just making ridicules claims. This is not serious debate about history just some moronic twisted notion of yours. I can play the same game.

History / Another WWII thread. [69]


Than the two vessels behind must be British Navy executing brilliant U-Turn maneuver.

History / Another WWII thread. [69]


I think you know the answer to this one, as you have claimed yourself, we all would be speaking German now, all except you that is. I think he had more sinister plans for your people. You wouldn't be able to spread your lies now would you?


Funny, your posts do not reflect that at all, yet another lie on your part. You do everything in your power to discredit Poland no matter how twisted the logic may be. Who needs enemies when we have friends like you. I suppose that you do what you do out of love for Poland.


Then they were heading in the wrong direction, the first casualty for the British at sea was on September 3rd, the sinking of the Athenia, that sailed from Glasgow to Canada via Liverpool putting your Navy on an opposite course of the ship that was attacked. Were you trying to flee from the Germans who were already attacking defenceless passenger ships or will you dismiss this as an navigation error? Besides, ENE you say?, that's not the way towards German ports, now is it? More like a heading toward a secret hiding place in Norwegian fiords.

History / What would Europe look like with Polish-Lithuanian-Ukrainian Commonwealth today [209]



That was then, let's talk about now: U.S. a country of 304,059,724 (figures for 2008 for all), with a status of the only superpower and technologically vastly superior then the rest of the world in military hardware (at least that's the claim), yet still incapable of defeating Iraq a country of 28,221,180 people with a status of a third world country, or Afghanistan a country of 32,738,376 people with a status equivalent to that of a stone age. Both wakened by recent wars and isolation from the rest of the world with no modern weapons at their disposal to speak of. Yap indeed something to be very proud of. Tell me how many years had it been?, and no end in sight. I suppose this must be way more embarrassing for you, at least after five and a half years of war we can honestly say we were on the winning side but you, what can I say? I guess this speaks for itself, The War in Afghanistan (2001 and counting), The War in Iraq (2003 and counting). Any Idea of when you will claim victory like in Vietnam and go home without achieving any of the initial objectives. We did not lose our country the war was on going for our people and soldiers throughout the war years, much like you have not won in Iraq and Afghanistan (still on going) but you are losing face and respect in the eyes of the world even those at the stone age level, which has to be a much, much, much more humiliating for you.

History / Another WWII thread. [69]


I don't believe that anyone here actually tolled you that, all they did is give you same examples as yourself to show you how ridiculous that statement actually was. What I hear here is that there's a difference between having a strategy and following it and cowardice, of which you accuse Polish Navy. Same could be said about the strategic fallback of our army, the escape of our pilots, evacuation of the government or Polish gold reserves. We are patriotic, ready to fight but we're not suicidal or stupid. When there's overwhelming force directed at you, you will simply move so you can live to fight another day. There's a fine line between bravery and stupidity. If the strategy was not followed and blind desire to fight the aggressor prevailed, great deal of our boys would not be able to fight on the western front be it in France or Britain. Although many of them were already convinced of the betrayal by our friends and allies none have lost courage and fought on. One thing you can never accuse those boys of is of cowardice, many armies would have and actually have simply given up seeing their nation run over by the enemy, their supposed allies not living up to their commitment, but those boys still found enough strength in them to stand firm in defence of those very same allies and even after the fall of France they did not give up, they still fought on. This is true of all branches of our military. None of them said; well for Poland at least all is lost so why should I fight for you?, you who let me down. If in your logic that's the act of a coward then I for one don't want to hear your definition of bravery.

Language / POLISH ETHNIC PEJORATIVES [23]


For Americans there's also Kałboj guess why?

Life / Help required obtaining Polish Passport for Granny [10]


That's the difference between your case and his. Poland did not exist in 1900, at the time he left Europe for America he travelled as a citizen of Austria-Hungary born on the territory of Poland because that part of Poland was legally under their jurisdiction and administration. His great grandfather never resided in independent state of Poland having left before such existed therefore never been able to apply for nor having been granted automatic Polish citizenship by residing in that country. He has no way to prove he ever was a citizen of Poland, the travel documents in his Possession were issued by government that is other then Polish. In your case whether or not he possessed Polish citizenship at one time or another was never at question only if he legally lost it or not, technicality quite different.

History / Another WWII thread. [69]


What's the point of defending a Lake like Baltic Sea when you're outnumbered and out gunned, be cut off from your allies and destroyed ?, Those assets are too valuable, one can always take it back at a later date. The Navy is not much of an use when it comes to defend Warsaw, the baulk of fighting would be on the ground anyway. If you managed your business like that you soon would be out of business.

History / Another WWII thread. [69]


Yes there is, the proper term is strategic redeployment. If you like to think of it in the terms of business it would be Asset Redeployment. Something to do with overall strategy. Since Poland supposed to be engaged only in defensive posture it was wise decision to do so.