Return PolishForums LIVE
  PolishForums Archive :
Archives - 2005-2009 / Genealogy  % width 24

Where is Brazazowa or Brazazowka?


literaturecat 5 | 10  
19 Oct 2009 /  #1
Hi, All--

I'm researching my roots, and according to the 1905 Ellis Island manifest my great-granfather was from a town call Brazazowa or Brazazowka. I'm having trouble locating it on a map. Could anyone tell me where this might town might be? Could the trouble be that the name has changed since 1905?

Thanks.
gumishu 11 | 5,857  
19 Oct 2009 /  #2
I recommend you learn more about general history of Poland (there was no Polish state) ethnic compositions, state borders etc
I don't think the name you give was properly transcribed so the search can be very difficult especially if your ancestors come from the lands that aren't Poland now (in the east)
OP literaturecat 5 | 10  
19 Oct 2009 /  #3
I am slowly starting to learn about the general history, and I do realize that there was no Polish state at the time. However, he did list his ethnicity as Polish and he mentioned "Galicy" after the name of the town, so I was assuming that the town must be somewhere in what is now Southeast Poland.

I do realize, too, that the Ellis Island officials did often transcribe names incorrectly. (If nothing else, that is evidenced by the fact that it's not spelled consistently in the documents.) I thought, though, that it might be "close enough" for someone to figure out what town it was meant to refer to.

Anyway, thanks for responding.
gumishu 11 | 5,857  
19 Oct 2009 /  #4
Galicja (Galicia or whatever it is called in English) is now divided between Poland and Ukraine - I am not familiar with the town/village name you have given and I know most towns of today's Polish part of Galicja (I mean I know the general geography of the area - it's not that I have visited it extensively) (it was a part of Austro-Hungarian empire in the times your ancestors came to the US)

this however doesn't disprove it is a village somewhere in Poland which identity has to be guessed from (most probably incorrect spelling)
still it is very probable that the place is in the present day Ukraine which makes the search even more difficult (some villages there don't exist anymore) most had their names changed to fit Ukrainian language better

btw there is a town in Polish part of Galicja that is called Brzozów (still in my eyes the discrepancy between the two names is too big - the name you give bears some Ruthenian features to my mind)

(I anything but an expert in Ukrainian Galicia geography)
Wroclaw 44 | 5,384  
19 Oct 2009 /  #5
go to: jewishgen

do a town/city search. you will find though, that the name you have is not listed, but u might find one or two possible alternatives.
caprice49 4 | 224  
21 Oct 2009 /  #7
town call Brazazowa or Brazazowka

It could be Brzozow - Ellis island is notorious for misspellings.
Piorun - | 658  
21 Oct 2009 /  #8
It’s true that the records are notorious for misspellings, as for it to be Brzozów I doubt that very much, although it’s in the region it’s not similar sounding to the original transcription. The village in question is probably “Brzezówka” but it could be a lot of other similar sounding names. Galicja is a huge region so you would have to be more specific and know at least the nearest town. If you have old correspondence saved by your ancestors you can pinpoint the location more accurately.
TheOther 6 | 3,692  
21 Oct 2009 /  #9
literaturecat

It should be either Brazowa or Brozowa. According to Ellis Island data and some other links on the WWW, both villages are in Galicia.
OP literaturecat 5 | 10  
21 Oct 2009 /  #10
Unfortunately, I don't have any correspondence from them. I have only the Ellis Island manifests. I might just have to investigate any village that sounds close.

So, Piorun, there is a village called "Brzezówka"? Is it in Galicia?

I will look into Brazowa and Brozowa as well. Thanks, TheOther.
Piorun - | 658  
21 Oct 2009 /  #11
So, Piorun, there is a village called "Brzezówka"? Is it in Galicia?

There’s more than one village with that name on the Polish side of what Galicia used to be. Personally I know of two, one just north-east of Dąbrowa Tarnowska the other just west of Ropczyce but there are more; one in Rzeszów County, one in Jasło County and possibly even more not including Ukrainian side of Galicia.
scorpio 20 | 188  
21 Oct 2009 /  #12
There is a village near mine called "Brzozowa", located in between Gromnik and Zakliczyn, in Galicja. Just give me the surname you are searching and I can tell you if this is the village you are looking for.
OP literaturecat 5 | 10  
21 Oct 2009 /  #13
Thanks, Scorpio. My great-grandfather came through Ellis Island in 1905. His name was Jozef Kupiec and the manifests list his previous residence as Brazazowa in one place on the form and Brazazowka in another place. He was born in 1881 to Sophia Pater and Thomas Kupiec. I believe they had another child, Frank, who was born in 1894 in Dobrowoi, Poland. I'm not sure what you can do with that information, but any information you have would be helpful.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,161  
21 Oct 2009 /  #14
Brazazowa or Brazazowka

Many similar sounding places...

pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brzoz%C3%B3w
pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brzozowa
pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brzez%C3%B3wka_(powiat_rzeszowski)
pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brzoz%C3%B3wka_(powiat_krakowski)
caprice49 4 | 224  
22 Oct 2009 /  #15
is a village called "Brzezówka"? Is it in Galicia?

Just looked at the ship's manifest (the written not the transcribed version) It's Brzozówka.
The one near Tarnów came under Galicja but so did one in Białoruś

There are some scant details on the net about the place.

I've just looked it up again. Anyone born in the village near Tarnow would find birth registration details in Lisia Gora as Brzozowka was too small to keep records. It is the Lisia Gora near Tarnow. Hope this helps.
OP literaturecat 5 | 10  
22 Oct 2009 /  #16
Yes, that helps a lot, Caprice49. Thanks!
caprice49 4 | 224  
22 Oct 2009 /  #17
If you under thread Surname Burak there is also a person there who's relative came from Brzozowka Galicja which appears to be from the Tarnow area. You may like to direct your enquiries via email to lisia_gora@diecezja.tarnow.pl I found the lady there most helpful. If you need help with Polish don't hesitate to email me.
jonni 16 | 2,485  
22 Oct 2009 /  #18
I thought pindami was something like hussie? some kind of word for slut?? maybe i am wrong

See the thread about this. It's sometning like "Pussies".
caprice49 4 | 224  
22 Oct 2009 /  #19
I thought pindami

Before my time. The lingo changes - maybe someone can explain.
jonni 16 | 2,485  
22 Oct 2009 /  #20
The lingo changes - maybe someone can explain.

Excuse my vulgarity, (twice in one day, because there are two threads about this), but "pinda" is a soft(ish) slang word for vagina. "Ty pindo" is a slightly amusing light insult.

You can check this out on Google Images. If you dare.
caprice49 4 | 224  
22 Oct 2009 /  #21
soft(ish) slang word

Aaaaaaaah. And I just thought it was bad spelling or mispronouniation.
jonni 16 | 2,485  
22 Oct 2009 /  #22
I think the posts anbout it have been moved to the other thread or deleted. Perhaps the moderators might do the same with these last few?
scorpio 20 | 188  
24 Oct 2009 /  #23
His name was Jozef Kupiec...

There is no surname of 'Kupiec' in the village of Brzozowa near me. For sure, you are searching for another village, perhaps the one mentioned in this thread. Good luck!
caprice49 4 | 224  
29 Oct 2009 /  #24
There is no surname of 'Kupiec' in the village of Brzozowa

But there is family Kupiec in Brzozowka near Lisia Gora!!!!

Archives - 2005-2009 / Genealogy / Where is Brazazowa or Brazazowka?Archived