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Władysław Sikorski remains to be exhumed for cause of death


slick77 - | 127  
11 Dec 2008 /  #31
hen, how to rule Poland taking in consideration religious differences. Foreign factor always managed to use those differences in order to divide Slavs even more. Considering those religious antagonisms, Russian failures on Slavic West were turned into real tragedies for Slavic world.... Russia was in unpleasent situation and needed reson to retreat from Poland

Crow, I admire your persistence but I think that most Poles are incapable of thinking about Russians as friends or allies for various reasons. Which is in my opinion a mistake. I am a Pole too but I understand your argument. I also think that religion is not a major factor for what you called an antagonism between Poland and Russia today. Today, this antagonism is politically motivated, fueled by media, sustained and nurtured by the elites for political reasons as well....In Russia, well...Russia is a different story...Personally, I think that Russia should have abandoned and condemned its soviet past. It could have given a ground for better relations between today's Poland and Russia.
HWPiel 1 | 64  
11 Dec 2008 /  #32
HWPiel:

but Sikorski's death is not...

ok, you say you went to Harvard? hmm.. how can you be so conclusive without those first steps you raised questions about.. hmmm

Yes, I pride myself in being a Harvard alumnus, and I stand by my opinion Sikorski was not murdered.

Since Sikorski's untimely, and opportunistic death for the Soviets, no one has been able to provide a robust theory or evidence to prove a conspiracy... just a lot of conjecture.

I do not mean to toss insults, or be insulted, especially with my own people; I care for, and seek, the intellectual challenge. This thread, while interesting if you dig on conspiracy theories, is only adding to the folly.

H
polishgirltx  
11 Dec 2008 /  #33
and I stand by my opinion Sikorski was not murdered.

the first results said that he wasn't... we have to wait some more for the conclusion...

interesting if you dig on conspiracy theories

you should meet my neighbor... he knows all about it...
:)
HWPiel 1 | 64  
11 Dec 2008 /  #34
HWPiel:

interesting if you dig on conspiracy theories

you should meet my neighbor...
:)

Is she Polish?

=)

; )

H
plk123 8 | 4,149  
11 Dec 2008 /  #35
Why aren't there Ph.D. candidates and notable historians like Norman Davies or Natalie Lebedeva crying foul on this matter?

lack of knowledge of some of the events in central/eastern euro? afrika? "politics" related to both?

Couldn't it be as simple as "I love my country and I feel as though I was wronged? It is not always a dubious means to an end that gains are made, but an opportunity for another.

Hey, I am just saying.

i'm thinking that's part of the point.

... ah, you missed the point.

hmmm. the point is to find out more. you seem to want to bury it instead of examining it. why?
slick77 - | 127  
11 Dec 2008 /  #36
you seem to contradict yourself there. is it noble or is it pointless then.. make up your mind.

it's definitely NOT pointless.

where is the contradiction? some things can be noble and can be pointless too...

english have lot's of guilt and there are no better guilt extractors then a bunch of polaks.

who told you that?
polishgirltx  
11 Dec 2008 /  #37
Is she Polish?

he is an American and he tells me all kinds of conspiracy stories (currently about 9/11)... he seems to know that all... :)
sorry to disappoint you, it's not a woman ;)
plk123 8 | 4,149  
11 Dec 2008 /  #38
I also think that religion is not a major factor for what you called an antagonism between Poland and Russia today. Today, this antagonism is politically motivated, fueled by media, sustained and nurtured by the elites for political reasons as well....In Russia, well...Russia is a different story...Personally, I think that Russia should have abandoned and condemned its soviet past. It could have given a ground for better relations between today's Poland and Russia.

right

I think that most Poles are incapable of thinking about Russians as friends or allies for various reasons. Which is in my opinion a mistake

right now it's not a mistake besides the cool relations aren't just from the PL side. it takes two to tango and the russians sure want to lead.

where is the contradiction? some things can be noble and can be pointless too...

i guess but that's not my thinking here. it's not pointless

who told you that?

am i incapable of observation?
polishgirltx  
11 Dec 2008 /  #39
Russia is a different story...

yeah...let stay out of it in this thread...
HWPiel 1 | 64  
11 Dec 2008 /  #40
HWPiel:

... ah, you missed the point.

hmmm. the point is to find out more. you seem to want to bury it instead of examining it. why?

Well, fair enough, good question. I am not trying to bury anything whatsoever, as an up-and-coming Polish Historian I feel (my biases) that since the release of documents from USSR/Russia more truths will come out. Let Sikorski rest in peace... though I still believe it was all an accident and not intentional. As a historian I want/demand truths, facts and evidence and not conjecture; to piece together events in history. In academia [research] we call the former "hunches" which we end up making into "hypothese" for research.

Truthfully, of all of the things I've read, reviewed and looked over - Sikorski's death does not seem like a murder/conspiracy. I am just as hard-headed to argue against it. Also, I may be completely wrong.

I'd rather we (collectively) should put our energies into Soviet documentation: release, reading and interpretation and then mass dissemination.

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plk123 8 | 4,149  
11 Dec 2008 /  #41
I do not mean to toss insults, or be insulted, especially with my own people; I care for, and seek, the intellectual challenge. This thread, while interesting if you dig on conspiracy theories, is only adding to the folly.

wtf? i am happy that we'll know more soon. i have no prejudgments on whether the general was murdered or not.
hey, i tossed you one. it's all good. :)

edit your email out man or spamorama will kill you.

sorry to disappoint you, it's not a woman ;)

maybe that's not disappointing to piel.

?

lol

crap, i can't keep up with you guys. lol

I'd rather we (collectively) should put our energies into Soviet documentation: release, reading and interpretation and then mass dissemination.

the wheels are in motion pointless or not. we'll find out more. i'm good with it, you'll have to just maw over all the new evidence. :)

but i totaly agree with the soviet document drive. definitely NOT pointless.
slick77 - | 127  
11 Dec 2008 /  #42
i guess but that's not my thinking here. it's not pointless

definitely NOT pointless.

if results confirm brit story this exhumation will not only be pointless but embarrassing for Poland...

am i incapable of observation?

that remains to be seen
plk123 8 | 4,149  
11 Dec 2008 /  #43
that remains to be seen

sure, sure..

embarrassing for Poland...

i won't be embarrassed.

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