Should we use original name of Berlin - "Kopanica"

I think a lot of brains have been drained....i wonder what they put in the empty space....?

and so your argument about how Germans suffered and yet pulled through suddenly became weak. I am unaware of any attempts of systematic extermination of the entire German nation, nor about any actions by foreigners to exterminate German intellectual elites, or about denying, under a threat of death, German children education that would go above rudimentary skill.

I'm draining a glass here...Prost! :)


It's weak? It's true!

Did I tried to make you a German? You better read up what this was about....idiot!

Of course it is true, but that's not what makes it strong or weak. How you try to compare the murders of Poles to wars Germans often chose to wage is what makes it weak.


You didn't.


I did. It was about some historical factors, genius.

Well...I didn't know that WHO did the destroying is more important than the destruction itself.

And for most of his history Germany was not a country unified and strong enough to wage any wars but just a land mass in the center of Europe without any helpful natural boundaries surrounded by many neighbours and therefore the preferred battlefield of uncounted armies!

How dare you to call me genius after I called you idiot???
You could at least grace me with a swear word of your own....

*pouts*

Poles are not always followers of rules and regulations. My savoir-vivre failed me here.


Nope. I decided to take this vicious revenge instead ;)

Civil disobedience does appear to sit well here. Should we use the original names Hindenburg, Breslau and Gleiwitz? Probably not ;)

They are not original ... that is the point!!! They were called Gdańsk Wrocław and Gliwice ... later Germans changed their names

Breslau is not the original name. Neither is Wroclaw.

Hindenburg was Zabrze, not Gdańsk. Where r u from, Poznan? LOL Gdańsk was Danzig.

Anyway, I was winding u up. U took the bait ;)

Who would agree with "ugah ugah"?

There must have been some ice age hunter at one time in a cave where now Breslau stands...hmmm....

:)

You lost in debate that is why you lose control :) Our Brat !!!heheheh


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrocław

"The city's name was first recorded in the year 1000 by Thietmar's Latin chronicle called Thietmari Merseburgensis episcopi Chronicon as Wrotizlawa. The first municipal seal stated Sigillum civitatis Wratislavie. Simplified name is given in 1175 as Wrezlaw, Prezla or Breslaw. The Czech spelling was used in Latin documents as Wratislavia or Vratislavia. At that time, Prezla was used in Middle High German, which became Preßlau. In the middle of the 14th century the Early New High German (and later New High German) form of the name Breslau began to replace its earlier versions."

"The city's name in various foreign languages include in English: Wroclaw, Hungarian: Boroszló, Italian: Breslavia, Latin: Vratislavia or Wratislavia, Hebrew: ורוצלב (Vrotsláv), Slovak: Vratislav or Vroclav, Belarusian: Уроцлаў (Vrotslai), Greek: (Vrotslav), Russian: Вроцлав (Vrotslav); also Бреславль (Breslavl), Serbian: Вроцлав or Vroclav and Ukrainian: Вроцлав (Vrotslav). Names of Wrocław in other languages are also available."

You know Luki....I was never once kicked out by my fellow Poles/Slavs nor had I seen the need to use uncounted nicknames to sneak my way back to PF through the dirty backdoor...talk about losers here!

You really should take the huge hint!

Zabrze (Hindenburg) but the original name was Biskupice, it belonged to a bishop of Wrocław hence the name.

Biskupice, yes. I was just antagonising sb who I knew would take the bait. I'm not stupid enough to believe that the Germans named cities in 1940 sth and that they were the original names. Poland is not that new of a country.

I would.

They seemed quite successful in their Expansionist Policies. Up to a point.

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He...we should rename it all into german again! :)

Semantics.

Well...it's "ugah" or "ugski"...hmmm

:):):)

Okay....I'm having a laughing fit here now I admit...

Bratwurst instead of laughter.

Watch it ... your blood is calling you !

Sorben demonstrieren in Berlin

Freedom for Sorbs!!!

He...they look happy! :):):)

As you mentioned my "blood"...during the third Reich at latest my family
would had found out about any jewish or slavic background....

edit: Why did you delete the dance?

@Berlin


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Berlin

@About all "Germans" who lived in Poland.

Maybe they were "Germans", but they were migrating from Germany to Poland for a reason ( Same with the jews ). After a while the only thing that divided them was their surnames. the second generation of germans became poles.

@Bratwur~~

I suppose you are from Silesia and think you are German ( maybe this is not the case ), but lets get this straight about Silesia. Silesia were ruled by the Polish line of the Piast Dynasti. Silesia were a part of the Holy roman Empire, but under the Polish Piast dynasti. They paid taxes to the Holy roman emperor but had their relatives in Poland. The majority of the population were of Polish "slavic" origin. Because of all these factors Poland never had a war with the Holy roman empire.

@ Poor poor poles

Just to make it clear about the poles and Europe. Poland had about 40 princely houses ( Families who had the right to use the title prince), they were called the small kings of Poland because of their wealth and the huge estates they owned. Aloot of them invested in huge palaces throughout Europe. This was almost Impossible for the nobles in the rest of Europe, because their kings owned most of the land and palaces. The king did only lend out his palaces to the "loyal" families in his kingdom and could take them back whenever he wanted to.

Just a small example.

The Palace who were later made to The Reichstag building in Berlin were a Property of the Polish Count Athanasius Raczynski.

Another Palace owned by Prince Antoni Henryk Radziwiłł were sold to Otto von Bismarck who made it to the "Reich's Chancellery".

Thats all for now :P

Crap!

Germans were sought after farmer and craftsmen! Often they were invited (or they just took it)!!!
So not as the Jews...


Well, my family lived for centuries in Silesia and they saw no reason to become polish. As they for the most time lived in either Prussia or the German Empire.

About your polish nobles...we all know that nearly everybody could call himself an aristocrat after polish law...it is hardly comparable to Europe!

Well..much of the old Reichstag got destroyed...lot's of other architects where about it later...what about them? And what do you want to say with that?

If a jewish architect plans a huge skyscraper in the midst of Warschau does that make the city jewish??? :)

I can't sleep.


Not everybody but Polish nobility isn't off different race and there was big influx of rich citizens in to our "state". Some foreign nobility cooperating with us in ... could gain the rights


Yes yes it is typical German tatics... They have been changing Kopernik signatures and instead of "from Toruń" they were writting "german". Why there was such need to change it.

Battel of Viena ... exactly the same ...

When you go to their national history museum in Monachium (Munchien) you will see Zawsza Czarny and description that he was their knight


Of course they were destroyed (sic!) and now are pure German buildings :)

RE: Nobility

What does being a "nobleman" do for your country as opposed to being a "peasant" of your country when there have already been awakenings of freedom amongst your fellow Europeans? Great - you're a prince! But other people are rid of that bullsh!t - and now we're talking about the past. There are level playing fields nowadays, and it hasn't always been a comfortable process attaining these things - in every country it has been different. Blah blah blah... I've stilll bin drinkin

You in UK have sir Beckham ;)

You know in Poland nobility is considered to be good guys. Some people form lower states could join us ... using money or being good soldier in battle, local nobility in dependent lands could join us too. It wasn't so hermetic society and what is important has been formed in middle ages from Poles :)

The other fact is that we had partions and durring partions nobility was good. We were securing culture, building Polish schools and occupator was the enemy - not "we".

BTW just before partions nobility established first modern european constitution and gave more rights for other citizens. What is more Kościuszko who came back form USA wanted to transform our society using american model. ... later as I've said we had partitions and nobility wasn't enemy for Polish "people". That is how "we" saved our reputation.

It is so cool to be Polish Prince that I am not going to resign form it :)

I would disagree. So did millions of Polish peasants and incidentally, many historians still disagree. Polish nobility during partitions fvcked up big time.

Well Dariusz I will continue this debate tomorrow (if you wish) in spearet thread. We can have interesting debate about transformations our society had. Tribes -> Nobility Peasants -> Lauborers, Middle Class, Upper Class.

Let's see what happens, but I usually reserve weekends for my family and other hobbies. Sooner or later I'll be around though.