Roman Dmowski- Polish Adolf Hitler?

True but he used it as a tool against Polish and Bavarian anti-Prussian irredenta at the same time.
Life of politicians, even from the cream of the cream category is never black and white.

well, you might hate what I got to tell you but to be honest, most of the countries in the World need someone like Adolf to bring some discipline back. Just look at our kids, they're practically raising parents and do whatever they want to do. Many things that are currently happening (recession) probably would never happen if we had a strong personality as a head of our country. The only problem I see in all that is how to control this guy (whoever it might be) because what we don't want is cruelty, hatred etc...

Happy Easter!!!

In the university professors always stressed never to cite wikipedia, those that did usually got a D or an F on their papers. The professors problem with wikipedia, 'un-reliable' they said, only good for summations, summaries, and general information.


Youth=Dumb, people who listen to youth=dumber.


Another wise piece of advice from those idea stealing professors, 'consider the source'.

Happy Easter!

We don't need no more idiots like Adolph Hitler. That's a fallacy to think that way. Civilization will continue regardless so why let idiots take over and make things worse? I am on a quest to stomp out worldwide fascism and I implore you to join me. No more Hitlers!

To be very honest with all of you, without Dmowski and his delegation at Versaille, things would've turned out very differently for Poland, and I don't mean for the better, and I have to agree, one of the few great Poles of the 20th century. He only appears antisemitic because he loved his country.


Add to the list, Mao, Pol-Pot, Joesph Dzhugashvilli, Yagoda, etc.

There's nothing wrong with being an untermenschen, Chrystus Zmartwychwstal!

Well...that's more than Marcin-the idiot-K has...I rest my case!

Oh...and nobody stops you from learning more...you can find alot of source material at the bottom of most wiki articles when you want to study further...


Now that is a smart thing to say!

Oh and please please try to stop your brethren from continually whining about WWII...such a happy follow up of this Treaty..!
(I can show you the wiki page)


Yeah...the same with Hitler...


Another "great" Pole the world never heard of...that's another reason I need wiki. Not much material out there about this guy...

HB baby, do me a favor and read my post again. I didn't say we need AH, I said we need a president with a strong personality to bring some discipline back but at the same time avoid hatred and cruelty.

We don't want a President who acts like a jerk.
Everybody would hate him and we'd be back to Bush one. (instead of square)

At least Obama has a kind, approachable public image. I like that.

yeah but this is really all he's got, lol.

Bismarck and Poles in land occupied by Prussia...

h-net.org/~german/gtext/kaiserreich/speech.html


Succesfuly Poland got back what Germans had stolen before ...

I think he will do a lot of good things for America. I have faith in him.

are you Jewish Salomon? Just a question.

Well..it changed hands more often then you or I have fingers on the hand...and now that the borders are open!


With this name??? I would think so....

All we can have is hope but then again hope is a mother of fools. OK even a fool has to have a mother (most of times anyway).

When it comes out that Poles were right we can hear ... "it changed hands more often then you or I have fingers on the hand". LOL


Are you looking for a job ? :)


No I am not but I am semitophile. :)

c'mon Salomon, some areas in nowadays Poland did change hands many times and you know it. As far as expulsions, both sides did it and now it's time to quit with this hatred crap, don't you think?

Happy Easter!!!

Don't be to concerned with what I have, after all, you have Wikipedia.


Yeah, I know what happened afterward, the Germans started a war, and at the cost of millions of innocent lives Dzughasvilli gave us Sląsk back, Gdansk, Kolobrzeg, Szczecin etc.


I don't know any Pole who whines about World War II, the conclusion was pretty straight forward, ya'll lost. Most of the whining I do hear comes from Germans, very sore losers.


Yeah, but his love didn't lead to mass murder.


Because most if not all of that 'not much material' is written in Polish, and outside of a Polish audience, honestly who cares, besides well, you of course.

Happy Easter!

Now that the borders are open we're buying out your eastern one, today Littleburg, tomorrow Berlin?:)

Who know maybe our grandkids will have a beer together, in a polish pub, polish beer, in Berlin?:)

yes! :)


You had a choice, but took the wrong one...letting left hanging out to dry by your "friends"...again...


You do it all the time "massmurder..bwaaaa"..."you startet it..bwaaaaa"..."we will never forget...bwaaaa"..."and never forgive...scream"..."you owe us"...

*yaaaaaaaaaaaawn*


Sore losers? What would we know of it? It wasn't Germany who was being walked over in 4 weeks....


Sorry, I just wondered that for such an "accomplished" people the best known things are the jokes about you...I just wanted to see if there is more....bad me! :(


...because Poland would have been to weak. The will was there but not the means.
It was just enough to grab some bites out of the Czechoslovakia as the possibility arose!

You know....the mouse what tried to roar! :)
(But you are good with roaring..that I can admit...with that you are the best!)


Or a german beer in a german pub in polish Breslau? :)

Poles are as agressive as Germans, but they can't take it up with the Germans/or the Russians/or anybody else alone so they got ****** over so often.

You paid a steep price for the eastern territories but now the developments points to mixed territories with a mixed population again, as it always was, Germans go eastwards, Poles go westwards.....peacefully.

The war is over, the iron curtain gone, things are moving again!

Aren't you to getting bored with always warming up the old stories all the time?

Grunwald and two polish installed Tzars say you're wrong, i'd say that Poles can take it up with any of their neigbhours regardless of the opposing sides resources or size, its the diplomacy net that screwed us, we've always been fighting powerfull alliances without powerfull allies.


I dont, i've been to Germany and as impressed as i'm with it Poland is far faaaar more dynamic, peacefully we're going to outbuy and outwork you in a few decades and the fun part is that its mainly with your money that its happening, oddly enough that might end up in an interesting new power.

Actually it strenghtens the point...you weren't alone. There were as much as Lithuanians and others fighting as Poles...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Grunwald


You are good with alliances, there is nothing wrong with that!
But you shouldn't forget about your comrades in arms (as with the battle of Vienna and who made it possible that you could fight at Monte Cassino etc.etc.etc.)


Still fighting Germany??? Give it a rest Pole...

And better never forget, without all the support going westwards your direction from us and the other EU contributors you would be more like the Ukraine today (and probably tomorrow too)!

Nope, there were fewer Lithuanians, they didnt have any heavy cavalry or infantry, on your side there were French, Hungarians and Poles, actually its still argued how much of your cavalry was Polish but a LOT:)

Also in most other wars and conflicts there were no allies, when we conquer...colonized Germany in deep middle ages or took the provinces by force during silesian uprisings.


Cassino was a french-british victory, Polish taking of the monastery was a huge achievement but the battle was won, Vienna on the other hand was virtually an all Polish victory since the allies sat behind the walls while our cavalry mangled the Turks.


No i'm not i'm just pointing out that you've poured loads of money into an incredibly dynamic and industrious nation who has no love for Germany while Germany is letting itself slip at the same time, as preposterous as it may seem you've created a little monster, its still small, young and corrupt but take a look at where Poland was 10 years ago and where it is now.

Also my great great something was Prussian, very Prussian, he has pics with a spiky helmet and huge moustache to prove it:))
The hill is large enough for only one king and you've just built us stairs to the top and now you're paying us to get increasingly large hammers to smack you off the summit, there's a reason why Poland and Germany are going at each others throats, similar ambitions and potentials do not go well when over a border.


And we're gratefull for them i'm sure:)

Sorry Socrates, all that sounds like another one of those wild polish fantasies which will fail...face it...you are brave warriors but incredible bad politicians and diplomats...I wouldn't bet on your vision of the future.

But till then...to a german beer in polish Breslau, okay?


Heh...I want this helmet back (at least for ceremonial events)

Is it? If we were that bad how did we manage to stay afloat the power boat so very long? Its not wishfull thinking, you take an ambitious people, take away their power, screw them for centuries and you end up with a tightly coiled spring waiting to go boing (WW2 as a result of lost WW1 *hint*)

We did not build an effing huge kingdom in the smack middle of Europe by luck and what made us then did not magically go away.

Do you share the EU-idea at all?
Does it always have to be one at the top above each others?

Think about it Sokrates...in few years our economies will be so deeply interwoven with each other that there won't be a clearly discernable GERMANY or POLAND anymore....[i](besides during football matches!

Poles and Germans will live left and right from the border...it won't matter anymore.

The EU was founded for exactly that, to break the vicious circle of revenge and ressentiments. To make it impossible for countries to have a go at each other because they would hurt themselves too!

It works great with the west, why do you want that to fail with the east?

The time of nationstates/kingdoms is gone...why do you want that back again?

I can just warn of that...before the oldies let the east destroy what they build for so long they will either kick you out or found another, new club...think if you would prefer that!

Yes but i do not believe the present day EU will succede, i believe we're facing another european upheaval after which it will be reconstructed into something different.


I would be fully content with Germany leading if lead doesnt mean domination, i'm just aware that old ambitions did not vanish, they're wearing suits and gloves but they're still here.


Give it a few decades yes.


I dont, i'm enjoying my beer, i'm enjoying having awesome dental care, i'm enjoying all things that do not include being shot, starving or cold, i'm just seeing national ideas still very much here and economy being unable to satiate them.

I dont believe in a German-Polish war, i do believe however in a Russian/China/US/Europe war, social unrest, conflicts between countries and EU crumbling, you're thinking linear, that a process started will just go on, i'm seeing EU as reaching a corner.

That will be the fault of the enlargement to the East. To much, to fast!
Making the EU now often unable to find a consent...


I will give it another generation to die out peacefully (if it's not rekindled all the time and used for cheap politics...as it happened in Poland recently).


I think I agree with that...seeing tensions with China...I don't know how our relationship with the US and Russia will develop.
But what would you advise? How should the EU react, develop, change?

A crumbling EU would mean all the bad things would be back again, inclusive war.
It's also about us...if we let it happen...

I am really wondering why you come here and spread your propaganda.
What's your connection with Poland?
Any relatives, friends or interest?
Or do you just enjoy trolling around, because you have no life?

Imagine Poles coming to a German Forum and rubbing **** like that in.

Not really, the problem with EU is that its filled with particular interests, German, French, Polish, you name it everyone's tugging in his own direction.


You're going to call me esoteric but i'd say that our relations are shaped by our collective potential and consciousness, nations are made up of living creatures, ie nations are living collectives, they have their sympathies, their loves and ambitions, they live and die like people.

An example is Hungary-Poland friendship, we dont have anything in common and yet two countries currently not even having a border develop such a deep friendship, it will take a lot more than telling kids "they're people like us" to change it.


EU cannot and will not work in any way or form because of particular interests and because of US not wanting an European superstate for obvious reasons, EU itself can do nothing but collapse, the concept was sound the execution flawed from the beginning, there's no reaction at this point, no treaty, no military action that could save EU.


Thats exactly why i'm knocking at Polish-German conflict, Russian-everyone conflict and such, we're reaching a complete redefinition of power in Europe.


Foreigners coming to chat with Poles is a good thing, especially Germans.