Roman Dmowski- Polish Adolf Hitler?

Dude was a sexually disabled, half Gypsy looking looser with plenty of genetic errors and was obviously overwhelmed by the inferiority complex. Every second "subhuman" could easily break that idiot over his knee.


You are lefty.

Excellent :)

The difference might be that one (Hitler) came to power and to rule a highly industrious and industrialized country whereas the other one shared the dreams and ideals but never came to power and even if he would have it was just not in the same league as Germany, so he couldn't had much done anyway..

But there is not much difference, really....the same hate and mistrust against the Jews, boycotts, wanting to get their wealth, wanting to opress them...the "Untermensch" would be here the Germans, etc...soon official laws against them had followed..and so on..


I think those who like Dmowski should really keep their feets still before they express bigotted anger about Hitler.....he also only wanted the "best" for his people, didn't he!

You writing a new history book (titled "what if?")?
Lets just stick to the facts, ok?
And they are obvious.

BTW: for me the greatest pre-war politician was Józef Piłsudski

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilsudski

That's what I do....

I mean I understand nationalists...and I can surely understand some sentiments and ideas...and I for sure see the similiarities.
But then please accept the nationalist of another country likewise. Everything else like admiring a nationalist just because he is your own but hating another one just because he is from another country is just bigot, sorry!

For the anti-semit Dmowski the "Untermenschen" were the Germans....so what!
He would probably had them to wear a sign too....maybe race laws too? Who knows...

Pogrzeb Józefa Piłsudskiego

Dmowski was a great, highly educated man. One has to be either a German or a retard to compare him to that arrogant peasant.


Thank you.

Believe me most Germans never even heard of these men...:)
(PF is really educating in this regard)

So, If I would say today that all the Germans are 'untermenschen' you most likely would say that all the Poles are racist because of my statement and the reason that I didn't get the power to rule is that Poland is not urbanized enought? LOL


- you just made my day..uhmm...night ;-]

You just can't help but to like this guy ;-D

Why should I do that?


No, I didn't say that.
What I would say is that it doesn't matter as much who rules a mainly agrarian country compared to a high tech, high industrialized country.

The power you wield with your tiny stick doesn't count as much as the power your neighbour can wield with his huge club.

Completely false statement, you have no idea about Dmowski and his views. Show me some quotes of Dmowski claiming so.

Well...that's the impression I got from reading about him on the net.
His germanophobia stems from the time of the partitions and that many took to german language and culture instead of polish one.
Germans were seen as enemies, holding to much power and wealth in his mind, he called for boycotts, ethnic cleansing etc...
He was part of the makes of the Treaty of Versailles and dreamed also from a Great Poland without Jews and Germans at all preferably (Lebensraum?)...

Sounds all mightily familiar (just change the ethnies)!

After WWI, during peace conference he advocated independent Germany united with German speaking parts of Austro-Hungarian Empire. Of course cut on the east in the favour of Poland. He was generally in favour of every nation having its own state. Nothing about 'Untermenschen' for sure, same about the Jews.

What about pre-war Britain or France or USA then? They had a developed industrial sector (Britain started the industrial revolution) and they didn't manifest similar behaviour like GErmany did.

BTW: Things change quickly in Poland. After a few decades you will find hard to believe how Poland developed (At least if we don't enter the euro-zone to soon, heh)

Well...I got another impression...but then...my knowledge comes from wiki and polish-youth mainly :(


What behavior? How do you think became Britain the empire Great Britain???
Do you think they conquered 1/4 of the world talking nice?
And that the US even fighted the war with segregated blacks? Race laws full in action???
Hitler was full in tune with the Zeitgeist....he just took it to the extreme and became a
rival to said Great Britain and the US!


Well...of course you will....you get lotsa support from Germany, heh.
But anyhow, we were talking about a time more than 60 years back. And even as Dmowski and Hitler were not that different, a Dmowski would had had not that much possibilites to disturb the balances in Europe as a Hitler with Germany had.

So you should spread that information on British and American forums. What stop's you? :-] (I know and you know what)

I know what?
Do you know some good Forum?
But there are Brits and Americans here on PF too!:)

I think that because of a UE socialistic and protectionist law Poland losing more money that we get from the UE budget.


You will find it yourself - you're a big boy.
But remember - stick to the facts. Don't give them a random shit cause they will smash you (with arguments) ;-]

OK, I'm going to the gym. Nite!

Well, I don't do anything else...


Well, then don't take it and go your own way!

I have to go too...nite :)

Our politicians are too busy chasing for post in the EU parliament and other EU bodies. I would be grateful if German government form EU coalition aimed to forbid to Polish citizens to hold any posts in the EU bodies. You would get rid of clueless parasites without any useful skills (this is already tested in Poland!).

I see your point, lesser. Still, it's about representation in the EU Parliament. You can't just exclude all Poles due to incompetence. Talk about brush and tarring.

Somebody knows why Dmowski was so popular in western Poland and Pilsudski in eastern and southern Poland ?

Silesia and Greater Poland loved Domowski.

Complicated question so I will try some simplification - no time to give you a lecture on Dmowski.

Dmowski was concentrated on the German danger same way the Poles of the pre-ww2 Western Poland used to be.
He tended to underestimate Russo-Polish issues.

On the contrary Pilsudski was all but anti-German and at the same time offered some proven "enemy of Russia" picture what made him more interesting in the commie devasteted East.

BTW. It's nonsense to compare Hitler and Dmowski.
Bismarck suits much better as a German equivalent of Dmowski.
Just replace Dmowski's anti-Semitism with Bismarck's anti-Catholic phobias and give him (Dmowski) more real political power.

"Bismarcks anti-Catholic phobias"???

Some background:

Bismarck:


How horrible, isn't it?
But miraculously nearly every modern, secular state follows such laws nowadays but of course the german catholics were dead set against it at that time.

Bad, bad Bismarck!


But later it still came to a compromise:


What a phobia!

historyhome.co.uk/europe/bisdom.htm

(I really wonder what they teach about Bismarck in polish schools...anything at all? Does he have horns in your schoolbooks? Or a red tail???)

Ever heard of Kulturkampf, huh ?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kulturkampf

Kulturkampf and Germanisation policies in the Prussian Province of Posen

The Kulturkampf had a major impact on the regions of Prussia with a Polish population. Since 1795 Poland did not exist as a state and had been partitioned between Austria, Prussia (which in turn became part of the German Empire) and Russia. Within the Prussian partition was Greater Poland, which during the Kulturkampf was encompassed by the Province of Posen. Here, Germans constituted a minority while most of the inhabitants were Roman Catholic ethnic Poles. The struggle against Catholicism and Catholic southern German states started almost simultaneously with an extensive campaign of Germanisation in the lands formerly belonging to the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth and the Polish Kingdom. Therefore, the anti-Catholic elements of the Kulturkampf can be tied to Germanisation efforts involving language and culture within the empire.[8][15]

From your link:


Hmm...looks to me as if he was trying to break the catholic stranglehold and to modernize the country and the educational system...I can't blame him for that!

Every secular country is like that now...surely no phobia!

Okay...reading a bit further it seems that the catholic Poles seemed to see that as another attack on their "polishness" even as it was not meant against them but rather against the church cleric and his power structures in all of Prussia. So they viewed this as "Germanization".

Hmmmm...not very secular minded today either....

Thank you it must be it:

"In 1886, the authorities of Prussia prepared a new policy of Germanisation of the provinces with a Polish population. According to Heinrich Tiedemann, the author of the plan, the reason why all earlier attempts at bringing more German settlers to the province failed was that they allegedly felt uncertain and alien there. The proposed solution was to assure them of correctness of elimination of Poles from public life and land property, as well as to promote land acquisition by administrative means.

Prussia's Germanisation policies in the Province of Posen mostly failed. Although most of the administrative measures aimed against the Poles remained in force until 1918, between 1912 and 1914 only four Polish-owned estates were expropriated, while at the same time Polish social organizations successfully competed with German trade organizations and even started to buy land from the Germans. The long-lasting effect of the Polish-German conflict in the area was development of a sense of Greater Polish identity, distinct from the identity common in other parts of Poland and primarily associated with nationalist ideas rather than socialism, prevailing in other parts of the country in the 20th century."

Not even the catholic church herself makes the connection between the Kulturkampf and Posen/Germanization:

newadvent.org/cathen/08703b.htm

Not one word about Poles or Posen


...so much more but "Bismarcks anti-catholic phobia"!

(I might call myself soon "Bismarcks boy")

PS: Going after what other sources write this wiki article with his concentration on
"Kulturkampf = german anti-polish policy" is crap!

I didn't use expression Polonophobia cause "phobias" are reserved on this board for our Slavic brothers from Mongolian stepes (as Russophobia).
More ... Kulturkampf was (and still is) considered as "anti-Bavarian" as well.

Anyway, it's not my point to stress Bismarck's politically driven but real Polonophobia.
I respect his activities on many fields but still I'm able to see his mistakes.
Exactly like in case "Dmowski".
His anti-Semitism was by no means of Nazi type.
Just politics.

Well, Bavaria was (and still is) a catholic stronghold but never would for example call Bismarck an anti-Bavarian..

I mean...come on...he fighted for something what is now today most common in all modern, western states, the detachment from state and church!