Roman Dmowski- Polish Adolf Hitler?

But it does! For many decades now...and so successfully that countries from all over Europe (and even from outside) can't wait to join.

It is the most successfull community Europe ever build...and peacefully at that.

I don't understand your denial and defeatismus, really not!

There will never be a "perfect" EU, it's made up from his members and not dictated from Mars or elsewhere, and it's right now only as good as the lowest common consent (which is because of the enlargement now often admittedly not very much), but it's the best we've ever had.

Do you have an alternative? Tell me!


They love me here!

Thats a beautiful map, Berni!

B.B, what do you think of it? ;)

He is a funny guy! You would so miss us!
Much more realistically!

Well...now Prussia is back safely into Brandenburg and Poland and Germany have now no border anymore whatsoever...actually it's all about names...

That is a disgusting map, take it down B.B.

But...but....but....you liked Bernies map! No fair!

By not facing crisis, you can only measure an organisation by how it responds to a crysis, the way EU did not deal with the gas issue shows the organisation has no chance of survival.


Yes, by giving and not dealing with problems, those two activities can go on only in perfect political and economical conditions, these are ending.


Who will lead, French or Germans? Poles are getting uppity again, how do we deal with Russia invading Ukraine? Russia cut off the gas again, what do we do now? Oil dries up, Russia wont sell, US wont sell where do we go from now?

There's so many challenges coming and EU is not ready or able to get through even one of those.


Yes there will but thats my "esoteric" side again.


The concept of unified Europe has been thrown on the wind, now it will not die but it will not work in the present form, Germany and Poland will go at it again, so will Russia, resources will go scarce, thats not esotetic thats just a natural hard as rock consequence of the politics and economical ties that exist currently.

There's no alternative, just like present day NATO and EU are children of WW2 a perfected form will come out of the coming upheaval, our understanding of politics and humanity evolves, if you'd meet your prussian great grandfather and told him women serve in the army he'd laugh his stahlhelm off, my point is that Europe will evolve into a superior community rather than it be created arbitraly by economic and political treaties but for that the old structure needs to collapse and will collapse.

Thats the same as my issue with Prussia, you cant make a nation be something with a decree, you have to let it evolve on its own or else its synthetic and eventually collapses, no matter how impressive or powerfull in its own time.

Okay...I take the bait...do tell! :)


Nope...I don't think so...the majority of the Germans AND the Poles just can't be arsed anymore. (Verbal b*itching notwithstanding!)

Russia? I dunno...against whom? The NATO???


We are working on it....


I'm with you here!


Can't disagree..
But with you it always sound as if the EU will collapse totally tomorrow and all is back to as it was the last centuries...

Okay...nice discussion again Sokrates but I have to leave soon...bye

Give it ten years at most, and yes for a very short while you're going to see Tzars, Teutonic Knights nd Grunwalds pop up everywhere, i'm not expecting Germany to go Nazi but Russia will definitely put up the worst of its colors before it collapses.

As for EU you're going to see a slow slide for years before everything goes to holy hell from day to day, just like it did before both world wars.


Not in a way that we've seen in the past, it might be something like some right winger General going rogue and trying to invade Western Poland, or something happening with Germany and some Kaczyński taking advantage of that, think limited military or political exchange, for Germany i'd say you're facing a conflict between right wingers and the rest of the Reich as soon as the stone drops, it might even be as bad as communist riots post WW1 or maybe worse.


Think of Russia as this big kid who just discovered that he can get candy if he punches someone, Russia cannot excersize restraint if it goes far enough, enough concessions to Russia and we have a war that no one wanted or expected, including Russia.

Thank you for proving my point.


I never said never forgive.


I never said you owe us, 'no man can resurrect the dead' after all.


The war lasted longer than 4 weeks, and you forgot to mention the Slovaks and Soviets helped in the walking over, but all in all, it still ended in a German defeat, nothing changes that.


More German humility, Well, sorry to disappoint :( , I mean after all this coming from a people who started two World Wars and couldn't finish either one of them. Patalogia chlopie.


You must mean Cieszyn.


Would of, should of, could of but still no mass murders.


'You had a choice, but took the wrong one', as a Texan would say about those choice of words, 'gay'. If you mean the people on this forum, 'ain't no friends of mine' and didn't expect them to do anything...again...


More whining again.


Obviously.


Are you?

Happy Easter Monday!