Poles executed in Warsaw '1939-44'

not the history itself but they way they discuss it.


yes history is important, however isn't the potential of your country more so??? What about focusing on Poland in 2008 and the bright future it has ahead of it??


its an expression, sorry, i think you know what i mean though


jesus, forum forum forum forum forum, i'm not a boffin man, i don't care about not being allowed or that i shouldn't. If i here a conversation witha group of people i know or have associated with i will usually contribute whether i agree or disagree with peoples points and views. Thats what happens in the world. For example at the gym today, i was discussing with three other guys the ins and outs of the death penalty, we had different opinions but not one of use said, what the hell are you talking to me for if you don't agree. Your using the fact that this is a 'history' section as a reason for me being in the wrong???? its rediculous and ignores my point.


so everybody else can post and comment but when you have a differeing opinion that dosen't go with the masses you can't print it??? why not??? its not history i have a problem with but i think you realise that anyway, its the way it is discussed and at what length with the wrong things as the driver of discussion.


what you think its abuse, i think you'll be suprised, you've totally mis-judged my character due to the fact we have a differing opinion, i was mearely asking why you felt the need to get personal and question my attitude towards women and why you feel the need to play the 'superiority card' Also included was the fact that sometimes two people disagree and that is that :) so you wouldn't be reading things like 'you **** ******* ****** ***** ***** ******' or '*** * *** ** ** * ******' as i said you have misread me :)


what makes you such an expert??? your no more of a person than me or the pope :)


please don't split your sides dear its not good for you :) at least the laughter will keep you away from those depressing subjects for a day or two, i'm glad to of brought a smile to your face.


wow thats the first thing you've said to me that isn't trying to belittle me. Ordem e progresso :)

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My comment was sarkastic. People who fought for Poland, for ridding the occupier off their land were killed, chased like dogs, tortured for years after the war, today they are presented as vicious bandits whos only hobby was to kill Jews.

And that's why the Poles are talking about the past. No-one, NO-ONE would agree 'ok, so ... OK. AK soldiers were bandits. Now, next topic: Polish concentration camps. Ok. Let's agree. Poles invented and manned CC. Ok. Next topic, shall we? Poles were worse than Nazis....'

That's what Poles are accused of. As long as this stinking sewage from the example runs down the street, as long the Poles will have their right to 'moan'.

"They"? Polish people? It doesn't matter how it is discussed but it is very important that it is discussed.


See, this is where you MUST open you eyes. This forum has an area dedicated to politics and history so therefore history can be discussed/debated without the future coming into it. You'll find most Polish people are indeed interested in the potential of the country but YOU must also accept that history is discussed. Why on Earth would you discuss the future of anything in a history thread?


Well, actually, this is a forum, incase you didn't notice. It's a place where topics are subdivided and people who want to talk history head for one part of the forum, people who want to talk about culture head for another, food, head for another. If it was one massive discussion it would be a chat room. Rather it is a fast moving forum but still people should respect that there are different forums for different subjects and it's frustrating when something is being debated well and someone posts ridiculous things that have nothing to do with the topic. Forget what you talk to your friends about in the locker room, this is not the same here, it's not a chat room...

It boils down to Brits and such moaning about the fate of the nation whose presence in their own countries they resented and where pogroms were much too frequent. So they gave Jews an option - don't be Jews or get the fvck out.

wy do you feel the need to justify what those people did or answer to the people who are accusing the Polish people of doing these sorts of things at this time. Anybody who understands can clearly see what ever the Polish did was for the defence of their homeland and territory. So why are people in the room discussing something on which they all believe, isn't it the people that don't believe you need to be talking too???


yes it is important that it is discussed, totally agree. However not over and over and ove and over and over covering the same thing. Also the concentration needs to be on the deaths of the people, who they were and if they are your relations, their names. Not concentrated on writting about the hatred of other nations, everybody knows about the Nazi's and the Russians and what they did to the Polish!!!!!. Just respect and remember your dead.


first you tell me that history is important for the future, so they are linked, now your telling me that the future dosen't even come into it, so what is history without a future???


mayeb to show that people can learn from the history :)


whats wrong with another view or an outsider looking in and commenting???? the best place to be in a discussion is on the outside, where the view is not clouded.

That's nothing, man.
Take that fella Shakespeare for instance. They have been bull$hitting about him for the last 400 years or so, and they have been doing it all over the world in thousands of universities and in countless languages. And again, all that about just one guy!

Now, that's boring, ain't it?

Poles still have a few centuries to catch up with that.

i couldn't agree more :):):):)


but surely they should learn from the mistakes made by those for continually bleating on about William :) I mean what is history for if we don't learn from it?? :)

I like this song.
Lao Che - Stare Miasto

That's human nature.
Think iPod.
I mean why (using your approach) would anyone want to listen to the same few tunes over and over again ;)

These things have already been discussed here at least a thousand times.


We do that each and every day.

Torn, you've got issues. Your obsession with dating section and these things are simply not healthy.

some people say "polish concentration camps" others "only nazis killed innocent people" on the other hand "lots of poles helped germans to catch jews" as if there were more supporters of the nazi terror in poland than in germany itself.

i saw a few movies(in the english tv)about a terrible fate of berliners at the end of the war but nothing about say warsaw,warsaw uprising,war in poland.

now there is a centre being built in berlin.the centre of germans driven out of poland after the war(damn poles kicked bratwurst boys out of their country).lots of people try to obscure a picture of the war time.

if we want to be stuck in the past what is your problem about it.you've lived in poland for a while and didn't make an effort to understand anything.all you can come up with is your "britishness".this part of history for us is like holocaust for jews or beating spanish armada for brits-you just do not forget about it.


typically british sarcasm huh?

no, fukwit, it was a spelling mistake.

really, what as much as the depressing stuff, i seriously doubt that, i mean yesterday there were at least three historical topics linked with warsaw between 139 and 1940 odd, one about the pilots :).


good thats the way it should be :)


i don't think so, the only reason you think i have an issue is because my beliefs are against the masses, if i'm obsessed with thiese things then all the members are obsessie, look at the people in the kinky room for example, or the history section, they are in their all the time talking about whatever. Your always posting topics about some nonsense, so don't point the paw doggy :)

So what?Have Russians stopped talking about their victims in the war?
Apart from that the discussion was about the resemblance of war in GB and Poland.It was claimed that there can be no resemblance because Poland had 10 times more casualties than GB.

Why do you not try to suggest the Russians or even better the Jews to stop talking about their dead or holocaust in general?

For Polish people Warsaw up-rising wasn't defeat. It is was sign that we haven't agreed to die without fight. It was moral victory. Fight and not let to be killed in concentration camp. In 1944 there was chance for succes. Russians stoped their armies and gave Germans opportunity to smash Warsaw so we had only moral victory.

Finaly some people don't understand it and don't try to do it.

I thought that I know a lot about the German occupation of Warsaw during WWII, but recently I was told about the thing I never read or heard of. Since both my parents are dead now I have nobody to ask.

Germans to terrorize population were driving people to be executed (I am assuming in the open trucks) around the town. They were dressed up in what I was told were paper sacks (not to waste normal clothing as they were to be shot anyway).

Does anyone knows about any of this, I was told that that was a "normal" procedure.
To you "Ozi Dan": I was named for one of the officers in my fathers AK unit who was captured, tortured and killed in 1943, his name (or pseudonim) was Jan Chamreto (or Szamreto).

Czesc Janek - thank you for sharing this with me. Do you know his proper name? I can look him up for you.

From what I've read, they were sometimes moved around naked prior to execution. I think it was an act of further humiliation.

We've never talked about it much. We can make everything but lamentation. Almost each Russian family has anything to recall from ww2. So what? Piously revere memory of fallen heroes and go forth, never complain.

We've never talked about it much

Just a plain lie, good for people who don't know Russia at all.
Watch some Russian TV.

This video has alot of unknown facts.

Documentry about Polish heroic fight against Germans and aproaching Soviet occupation at the same time. Two months of fighting resulted in 250 000 Polish cosulties.

They were not Jews,really?

The Ghetto uprising took place in the spring of 1943. This was the Warsaw Uprising, 1944. Some of these people might have conceivably been Jews in the religious sense, who had sheltered on the Aryan side. But they were Poles and Varsovians first.