Poland and Ukraine

Kazaki which you are talking about are remnants of the Ukrainian Cossacks that emmigrated to some parts of Kazan' etc. They are decendants of real Ukrainian Cossacks, no argue.

Of course, they used each other to fight common enemy - what is wrong in here?
Yes, these people are suppressed by me, Salamon.

Why you oppres the Cossacks ? Why you steal their history for your nationalistic needs. Cossacks have nothing to do with western Ukraine. What is more they consider you to be Nazi collaborators... Why you come here and cliam that Cossacks were Ukrainian and that is why you murdered Polish population in Western Ukriaine when in the same moment you oppres them.

How can Ukrainians oppress Ukrainians? Hahaha. Have you lost your mind? Salamon, stop reading scary stories. It is late. I have to go. See ya tomorrow. But again - don't read ru.com it makes you nervous and lose your brain cells from terror. Good night.

You want to make Ukrianians form people who don't want to be like you. Your former Nazi culture is weak and the Cossacks descendants don't want to be Ukrianians ...

Come back when Cossacks will wave your flag instead of Russian flag. Now history of wars between Poland and the Cossacks is Polish - Russian problem.

What is more, stop oppres them and give for the Cossacks freedom which they love.

What western ukraine? maps pls

I watch German WWII propaganda about Ukrainian SS divisions.

14. Waffen-Grenadier-Division der SS "Galizien"

Heroes Ukraine

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/14th_Waffen_Grenadier_Division_of_the_SS_Galicia_(1st_Ukrainian)



Former UPA and SS-Galizien members with children from the Ukrainian scout organization Plast pose for photos shortly after the Anniversary of the UPA ceremony in Berezhany, western Ukraine.

Polish vilage after Ukrainan action.

Russian NKVD dressed Ukrainians in SS uniforms ? I don't think so.

If such a thing happened, one might assume in the same way Poles oppressed Poles (by working for someone else).

At the German war cemetery in Cannock Chase, England, there is a special section "in memory of our Ukrainian comrades".

Absolutely, Trevek. I didn't know about that cemetary. Thanks.

Salamon, you found horrible photos of killed children and women and you put it : Polish village after Ukrainians. How dare you, sick fcuk!


Interesting sentence wouldn't you say? Allegedly they took part in a police action against Soviet and Polish AK Armies + the place where it happened was a shelter for Jews (which I can feel implies that they also were killed by Ukrainians).


Volunteers. You have different people in every country, you can't have 'em all perfect and have the same opinion about the enemies, right?

After Nathan defense nobody should have any doubts that Ukrainians were stealing Russian gas ... as they steal Polish companies in Ukraine and all they time they lie in the same way.

Example of one of the massacres: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huta_Pieniacka_massacre


Nathan Ukrainian thug where are the Poles who allegedly oppressed you in Western Ukraine ? They disappeared or committed group suicide ?


Ukrainian president ..

ukraines.fr/spip.php?article30


Ukrianian president loves UPA and SS...

Spot on this:

Ads praising Nazi division put up in Ukraine



Lets open the eyes and see the true face of Ukrainie ...

As I've said :

NOTHING CHANGED THERE. If they want some support they should aks the Germans for help. Not Poland.

1. What is that WesternUkraineyou keep talking about?
2. There is Ukraine proper and polish terrytories stolen by Stalin which are today part od ukrainian state!
3.In the later there is grup of people which are calling themself urainians but which differ from Ukrainians mentaly, have different religion and history.
In 1918 they atempted to bulid separate state!


Well, Poland can support Ukraine proper if they ask for help but there is always price.
The present government in Poland is rubbish and could't find it's ass whithout a map!
The real face of the Ukraine is in Kiev not Lwów or Canada.

you would be surprised:).

So don't seem to know much about Ukrainian affairs Mr:). Find another hobby.

All I know that Poland should be careful with Ukraine since it is not what it used to be.

If you want to say something just say it Mr:)
As happens I know a lot about terrytories behind border, I hve poperty there which someone else has, as for Kiev I dont care for it's all just talk!!

Government should know and should be careful as they geting many for it!

You know nothing, neither of Lviv, nor of Pereemyshel'. I posted for you the history of both cities in the Taras Bulba file. Read it, historian!


And face of Poland in Krakow, not in Marienburg, Danzig or Posen.

Lwów was called by the Germans Lemberg.

There i one problem Nathan ... Germany invaded Poland in 1939 and killed 6 milions of Polish citizens, Poland was 4th any -German force on all over the world, Poland had the strongest anty-German resistance underground in Europe. Wrocław is Polish in result of Potsdam conference, it is shame that German allies have stolen Lwów.

Ukranians were cleanisng Polish towns with German troops.

In result of which agreement German allies received Lwów ?


Are there anny etnic Russians in Lwów or again everything bad what happend on east is the Russians and everything good is the Ukrianians. ?


Poles were in majority in Lwów.


I am showing the price.

I am not talking about changing the borders but I am sure that in case of Ukrianes integration with the west they will become Polish worst enemy in this institutions.

Well none of it was invitable very probably...there was alot of bad blood between Poles and Germans about the new borders and the hostile treatment of each others minorities.

Didn't you just mention proudly the silesian uprisings in another thread?
Manipulated and supported by Warsaw!

Don't talk as if the invasion came out of the blue sky!
Poland wasn't inclined to negotiate and talk these things through to find another solution but rather felt safe behind french and british promises.
You better had talked with the Germans!

About the weather?

What do you mean?


And?

Poland did anything to antagonize relationships and treated their "new" Germans they got because of the new borders badly.
No wonder those called for the Fatherland for help and were happy to be "invaded"!
Instead of financing and supporting "uprisings" Warsaw should have held talks with the Germans...who knows...whithout the promises of support by the french and the Brits they might have....

amazon.com/Orphans-Versailles-Germans-Western-1918-1939/dp/0813118034

The Germans didn't wake up one bright morning and decided to march into Poland just like that. Most Poles like to ignore the "little" dirty prequel to the mainstory when they cry about 6 Million dead...

What's done is done.
We have learned one more lesson about Germans.
Germans have learned something about themselves.

Too bad that 6 million people had to die (only in Poland)...

Germans aren't that complicated as you all may think.
Sometimes they act and then they think.

They are skilled in manual labour, though.

Me myself purchased German car lately, heh.

They followed a plan.Hitler's plan.

The case with the Germans in Poland after Versailles wasn't "Hitler's plan".
His promise to "make things right again" was what made Germans vote for him in the first place...

Thats no true they were protected by international treaty.


What uprisings? In silesian uprising in the first place there were majorty of the local population kin on joning Poland - with a little help of the friends.

anyways Germany supported ukrainian terrorist organizations and trained germans living in Poland to act as a support for German Army and to sabotage Polish defences.

I guess it's clean ....

As for talks - what about ?

Puuuuleeeeeeze...read up about that!
If anybody would had given a **** about them they wouldn't had been brought into that situation in the first place!
(Also advisable to read up about the situation of the Sudeten Germans in newly carved out Czechoslovakia...nothing peachy here either)


Heh...what's good for the goose....


For cleaning up the situation between us? Border adjustments, resettlements both of us could live with? Anything would had been better than antagonizing and mocking an angry, armed to the teeth neighbour, wouldn't it...

Well, there were talks ..... Did Hitler asked for Poland to attack Soviets? All it just me...


any links?

At the beginig Hitler had seen Poland as potential ally. For concessions in case of Gdańsk ect. and anty-soviet alliance.

He offered for Poland part of Soviet controled Ukraine and Germans wanted to take rest of eastern Europe. Poland rejected this proposal.

In my opinion alliance with Soviets in 1939 would be much better for Poland than allinace with UK and France who couldn't help Poland on time.

amazon.com/Orphans-Versailles-Germans-Western-1918-1939/dp/0813118034


Well...The Wehrmacht marched through Poland in a month and came till near Moscow two years later...
Poland would have been gobbled up by either one, so or so, being the marching ground of the Wehrmacht and the red Army! The polish mouth always bigger than anything else!

Well Poland fighting together with Soviets against the Germans would be on winers sides after WWII. Poland wasn't strong enought to win over Germany in 1939 but I am not so sure about German invasion on Poland with Soviets on its soil. What is more after the war regianed western Poland would be in Polish borders and of course Lwów would be in Poland as well. War would be much shorter and for sure Poland wouldn't be devastated as it was in reallity. Finaly Poland was in soviet block after 1945 I don't see the difference between aliance with Soviets in 1939.

Erm...officially you WERE on the winners side! You were allies with Stalin...
Sorry, but I can't see any difference here and I don't think Stalin ever had the interests of Poles in mind.
He wanted Poland as a buffer and Germany as far back to the west as possible. No way that Poles could demand anything what didn't fit into Stalin's plans!

If you mean that brute force is stronger then morals and right I agree with you.
But if you mean that Germans are so wise then look who lost...
You Germans lost all the wars in the last centurys and You speaking about big mouth?
look up Hitler speeches

We fighted against the biggest alliance the world has ever seen, it needed all of them and took them 6 years after Germany conquered nearly all of Europe.

There is "losing" and "losing" Ironside!

And WWI and WWII are actually one war with a break of exhaustion. There were several missed opportunities to stop that, the treaty of Versailles one of them.

I never said Germans were/are wise, but in these times not many people were...

And yes, I think Poles have often a bigger mouth than what is good for them...the Kaczinskies the latest example!