Russia: Poland responsible for WW II

Why?

Bratwurst Boy

Anyway, Bratwurst, what gives you the moral authority to question another about national generalizations when your whole existence on these forums has been just that about us Poles – whether it is about our ungratefulness of Germany bringing us into the EU or the funds you have provided vis-à-vis this institution. Get your hypocritical sense of righteousness out of the way, if you want to crucify another for the very sins you commit and see no atonement for.

Well...at least I don't patronize the Poles when they answer in kind as you did with poor Sasha!

(Even as he was still much to nice)

Patronization has many phases with very little differentiation between intention and consequence.

Bratwurst - can you explain why your standard of english keeps changing? Some threads your english is very good. Some it sounds a little broken.

I think there are more than one people using your name to post on this forum :)

Am I right...?

*glares at keyboard*

Just look for the helmet...

What are you implying? That there is more than one BB?
Two or three perhaps? Or maybe a whole abteilung?

;)

Did someone read Buchanans book about WWII and it's causes?

It seems a mainstream history revision is underway and Russia's viewpoint is not seen as loony as thought to be.
Something not expectable to read 10 or 20 years back... /Churchill-Hitler-Unnecessary-War-Britain/

Especially not if one reads the mostly agreeing reviews.
In short the treaty between Poland and GB and Churchill especially are seen as not really helpful...

more than one person, sorry :-)

I did not read this particular book, however I know a bit his stance from other reading. The bloody war between Third Reich and USSR without any western involvement would be for sure attractive option for the west. However I don't think that Hitler was that predictable and so concentrated on the east only. Like Buchanan we can just guess what would happen if...? This might be interesting book to read because this author is known from courage of raising controversial thesis and lack of political correctness.

The reviews did wet my appetite too I must admit...

WWII rests squarely on the shoulders of the nation of Germany.

Did you read the book?

Buchanan's book? No; I did not.

Buchanan is not a historian.

I've read enough about:
* The Treaty of Versailles
* Rise of Fascism & the Nazi Party (Shirer)
* The expansion on Nazi power at the expense of human rights
* German Re-militarization
* Measuring the allies state of mind through the reoccupation of the Rhineland

I know without a doubt that the blame for WWII falls on the shoulders of the German people.

BB: accept your nations history, accept your nations guilt.

Individuals are guilty, not nations. For sure state was responsible.

Erm...I for sure accept my nations history.
My grandpa and his brothers marched with the Wehrmacht across Europe and I love studying their stories! :)

But that isn't the point...maybe you should really read some books? :)

Lesser,

Germany started WWII. Hitler acted as the head of the German state.

Oh gosh...we should hold this discussion till at least one of us has actually read this book, right?

I've read many books; but thanks for the advice.

Always glad to help! :)

Hitler was the head of Third Reich. You can make lawsuit against individual (for example head of state) or against the state. While you cannot make lawsuits against nation.

No, but one can wage war against a nation to force the removal of a dictator.

Only insane lunatic may wage a war against a nation. Nevertheless if such war would appear, it certainly have little to do with dictator himself. Aggressor would be a collectivist.

Usually wars are fight between states. One could wage a war against the state to remove a dictator, monarch, democratic or pseudo-democratic (like so called representative democracy) regime.

you gave me a good laugh Guys- thank you!!!!!

Napoleon Bonaparte once stated that "official" history is bunk. It was always written by the winners, so it is beneficial, before making your own judgment to try to see the viewpoints from both sides in the conflict and get as much information from as many diverse sources as possible. Forget what you saw in Hollywood propaganda movies. Instead of taking so called facts for granted, of incomplete history you learned in school, do your own research, dig into books and autobiographies of intellectuals who actually lived during the time period. You might find some interesting details and facts. Because a certain elite group of people who own most of the media and the publishing will only allow you to see what they want you to know.

For example, how many Americans have even heard of the sad fate of Ezra Pound.

Ever heard of Adolf Hitler? :')


You're spot on; I cannot agree with you more.

Lesser is correct. "Nation" and "state" are not synonymous.

Crnogorac3

Well said! I couldn't agree more.

Britney spear's gotten fat=Poland's fault!

ZIMMY:
Rolling Stones concert is cancelled, Mick Jagger blames Poland

hahahaha