Poland-Russia: never-ending story?

Even he was loyal to byzantine traditions.They were trying to take up the throne.There were even armenians like Leon the Armenian etc,so what?

You cannot compare slavic mentality to arab and later turkish aggressiveness.Greeks and Slavs always built a wall to muslim expansion to Europe.

Yes, I know. But what I'm trying to get is that Slavic-Byzantine relations weren't as beautiful as they are put out to be. Remember, that Slavs helped a Persian invasion of Constantinople in the 7th century, by building ships and helping transport Persian infantry to the eastern shores of the city. Unsucessfully may I add. Slavs did this under their own power and consideration.

They were on their own already when Hellenic/Greek, Roman, Byzantine, Germanic, Hun cultures started to expands. Just some Slavic tribes migrated, to underline- thru Slavic world, divided falsely with borders created by often hostile foreigners. Then, Slavs were defeated and enslaved. Others wrote history about and for us. Others rule us even today.

Bylazora
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For more about Slavic autohtonicity go in, read and wait for new uploads
Ancient Polish History thread
https://polishforums.com/archives/2005-2009/history/ancient-14016/

They were Avari,not exactly Slavs.


I refer to mainstream history books.The name Slavs appears first in 6th century in the manuscripts of byzantine historians.

Yes, Avari were involved. But there were Slavic tribes, under their own power that helped the Persians as well.

Actually they were called Sclavs.Even today in greek sclavos means slave because many Slavs(Sclavs) were sold as slaves after defeats in wars.

Slavs, Sclavs.. it is genetically the same people we are talking about.

Yes,maybe the Skythes who fought against Alexander the Great and Persia before him were also Slavs,more exactly Slavs' ancestors.They lived in the area of now South Ukraine to Hungary,Romania all over Danube.Also the Paiones who lived just under Danube may have been Slavs' ancestors.

The ancient Greeks never settled beyond the central mountains of Balcans.They prefered the sea coast.Gradually after Greeks were eliminated by wars,the Slavs filled in the interior while Greeks remained in the cities along the sea coast.

Poles and Russians, how similar and different are we?
culture.polishsite.us/articles/art225fr.htm


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Why uneasy relations exist between Poles and Russians
culture.polishsite.us/articles/art212fr.htm

I don't get this argument that we should get along because were slavs... What does that mean that now we must agree on everything..

My brother and I have the same parents and we hardly agree... Sure we stick together and have love for one another, but we don't always see eye to eye. I agree more with my friend Anthony and he's Italian. This argument is based on emotion not logic...

Well with such nick You will get a warm reception on this forum!!!

As for me, I preffer to be slightly abnormal, than to smear vanilla snot over Polish issues

All Russian media write about Tusk- Putin, Miedwiediew meeting.

Media noticed that Poland is important EU member like France, Germany, Italy, Spain, UK.
Krem decided to accept reality.
Poland wanted to change image of rusofobs country, and now they will be able to influence on EU policy on east.
Both Russia and Poland achiveded success, there was no compromises and all Polish Russians media talk about success. Interesting.

This is actually alarming. During communism every single day was a fvcking success. Every single day our communist heroes in cooperation with the Soviet communist heroes did nothing but achieved success. It was great and we were all heading towards a heaven on earth.

And then the whole thing collapsed.

Russia & Poland tired of frosty atmosphere: Polish PM
russiatoday.ru/news/news/20691

russiantoday is russian propaganda for west, but this article is lets say more normal ;) :P

europe.courrierinternational.com/eurotopics/article.asp?langue=uk&publication=08/02/2008&cat=POLITICS&pi=1

I must admit, I am fairly satisfied with todays visit by Tusk to the Kremlin... Maybe now we can have an atmosphere of respect... Its seems Russia has seen the light..

normalistion ? for 1 week or half year. Everything will end on Ukraine. Conflict we had was very uncomfortable for Russians and Poles. Now we have "case of diplomatic fire". Personaly I like situation we today have .

Hoping to improve Polish-Russian relations

"Poland's Prime Minister Donald Tusk is holding talks with President Vladimir Putin and others in Moscow today. Tomasz Bielecki considers the first visit to Russia by a Polish head of government since 2001 as an indication of détente. "The Kremlin is striving to improve relations to the west and needs a normalisation of relations to Warsaw to achieve this goal. Russian diplomats admit that Moscow learned to appreciate Poland's strong position in the EU only recently. ... The only tangible effect of a moderate thaw between Poland and Russia can be the development of economic relations. Even though Moscow often exploits trade in energy commodities to play international games, it can be very pragmatic in other realms. The prime example is Russia's relations with Latvia. Despite acrimonious political disputes with the Kremlin, this country has been conducting trade with Russia intensely over the past two years." (08/02/2008)"

It is good we will have better relations with Russia. I like Russians as people, they have interesting art and literature.

Poland shouldn't be USA friend, we should stick to EU. When EU will be unsuccessful (I hope it will be successful) We should change side and join Russians to protect our western border. I think it is logical.

I agree that we should have good relations with Russia, but that has nothing to do with their art or literature...Sh*t if the Nazis had nice art would that be a good reason to be friends with them..lol love the reasoning

Second statement it dumb, more friends Poland has the better...intelligent fu*ken logic..anything else is based on emotion not common sense..

You are dumb, you shouldn't comment my post in this way because you don't understand it. There are many people who think like I think.

Polish people don't want this US shield. Only 20-30% supports this sh*t.

So in other words, Poland should bend over backwards to the other EU countries, and only stick with them while they are succesful? Then what? You think that we can simply drift back into relations with Russia after being pro-EU?

We are pro-EU. I hope EU will be second USA. If EU will be unsuccessful (read there will be no EU, states will decide to end this project ) we should remember where is Poland and look on map and on our borders.

we don't need USA, they are worthless partner in our situation.

Hard to say what will happen. We should keep all the doors opened for some time.

Here is a simple version so maybe you and that 70% who don't support the shield understand..
EU cannot provide Poland with military security. Don't be surprised by that comment, what do you except from an organization that spends 30 to 40% of its budget on agriculture..on average countries in the EU spend only 2% of gdp on the military.. You say a lot of people agree with you....doesn't make them right, I remember a time when the majority said the world is flat..lol

Secondly, I would choose the US over Russia anyday... if you disagree doesn't show that you know much about history and our current relationship between these countries... You want to be friends with Russia that's great that doesn't mean that its the best option for Poland..

In Poland we have real politics like you have in USA.

When EU will be over and european countries will argue then we will think about other choices than EU.

When EU will be successful we will be safe, it is good to have normal realtions with Russians because they are very important trade partner.

USA is XIX century England. Without rules, without moral, only with interests.

While Polish administration offering brotherly hand to Russia, official Moscow prefer deals with Germans. This behavior from Russian elite must be condemned inside of Slavic world and recognized as something dangerous for whole Slavdom. Then, how come to that, that mafia finishing bussines between official Russia and Poland? Are official relations between Warsaw and Moscow forbidden? Shame

Media reports that Poland has natural gas delivery contract with Russian mafia

Warsaw, Poland February 6, 2008
warsawvoice.pl/newsX.php/5650/4259018804


Poland's Tusk seen leading call for land gas route

05 Feb 2008 18:42:48 GMT
Source: Reuters
By Tanya Mosolova
alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L05520500.htm


Russian official rejects Polish pipeline proposal

Warsaw, Poland February 8, 2008
warsawvoice.pl/newsX.php/5669/4259018804

This is not surprise, I like Russians as people I don't like Putin and things like this.

Only one thing is that we shouldn't be manipualted by USA and pay for being their ally. We know they have Poland deep in their as*.

We are EU member and we should stick to them.

Currently we have different interests with Russians and it is normal what they do. Of couse I don't like it, but we in our decisons whink only about our interest.

i concur

Polish-Russian relations are going well, Lech Poznan formed an alliance with a Russian club, that's promising, hehehe

tragic

What is more, we are more valuable partner when we have choice :P


why ?