Poland-Russia: never-ending story?

I just posted a new artical you should read, "No Sympathy for the devil"

Id say the last one is definatly brown rather than pink.......Can any russian give me a serious answer as to just why stalin is becoming popular again? He did after all order the deaths of more soviet citizins than adolf ever did.....

Putin talks about this here.

Russia knows the truth, No Sympthay for the Devil, "Stalin", now act

No,just an everyday russian on the street type,genuinly interests me,is it a hark back to the days of being Big Man? Is it because stalin was efectivly a persona non grata since the 1950s so he is somehow detached from the memories of crumbling soviet power in the 80s ,like some sort of Rock Star he died before the dream got old? No one can doubt they guy was a lunatic,there cant be a family in russia who didnt lose someone to one of his round ups yet there seems a genuine harking back to him. Its almost like an abused child defending its guilty parent in court...really hard for an outsider to figure...

polishforums.com/russia_knows_truth_no_sympthay-34_18453_0.html

This artical really points out what the people think. It also points out what Russia must do.

You are not right, or just represent Brittish point of view for common opinion.
Russia has their own legislative and if England whant to have any organisations in Russia, she must obey Russian Laws and registrate them in compliance with common Russian practice.

Russia must learn how to treat Britian or any other guest in their country. It is as if Russia does not want to have interactions with other powers. Or I should say country's that think for themselves.

Oh I am very happy that you represent me like a common russian, though I think I am not in the same degree as you are not common anglo-sax. Sure, all Russians do not adore Stalin, I bet that new generation, who was born in 80th do not know who he was. But in the same time Russian central television permanently shows for nation new historic films about Stalin's repressions. For example, there was a film about life in Gulag on the base of the Shalamov's novells (though I think that you do not know who he was), also it was another fil based on Solzhenitsin's "GULAG archipelago". Thus, I dont understand, why do you have such thoughts that all Russians pray on Stalin's images in their peasants cottedges during long winter nights to the howlings of wolfs, under the light of torches?

It is complicated why Stalin becomes popular again.Basically it is due to failure of the alternatives that followed.

Whats that saying "money talks"

THE INFINITE PUTIN

"Putin has simply achieved the unitary power that Bush only dreams about, the absolute power to dispense tens of billions of dollars, crush any critic, imprison any potential rival... without a single"

hammernews.com/infintiteputin-captimes.htm

Do you know what was the only book that Bill Gates purchased when he visited Europe?Stalin's biography.

Knowing Bill Gates, he probably wanted to find out how to get an even firmer grip on the software market.

If Russia will not con't to work with Britian who will?

The presidency underlined the important role the British Council and other cultural institutes of EU countries play in fostering cooperation between Russia and the EU, noting that cultural institutes form an essential element for the mutual knowledge of peoples and cultures, and should be strongly supported.

EU concerned over Russian demand of closing British Council

news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-01/18/content_7442334.htm

You should understand why Russia closes such institutes.

Isthatu I totally agree with your position on Stalin. As for Constantine no one said people pray to him. But you can't deny their is a sizeable number that see him as the best leader Russia had. How short is the Russian memory. If that statement is true I feel sorry for the Russian people. To me its like the Germans saying hitler is the best leader they ever had. its illogical. Southern please explain why Russia closes such institutions.

I thought they wanted into the EU?

That would be your interpretation and a twist of my question Kostya.I do not feel all russians adore him,or live in the conditions you seem to want to portray to the world,shame on you for contributining to the negative stereotype of russia. I hope your control does not read this forum ;).

If it takes a good tv show to help educate people,why not,I have read some Solzhenitsin so will look out for the dvd,will sit nicely with strafbat and zvyezda.


And you sir sound just like an old edition of Pravda. Why so defensive? I was merely pointing out that while our Politicions are desperatly trying to show who has the bigger "sword" our Capitol city's main square was given over to a festival of Russian culture. How is this repayed? By intimidation of Russian staff members of a British cultural department. If I am just going to get a party line response,please,dont waste your breath,I can turn to old Novosti press publications for the standard responses and at the same time feel a pang of nostalgia for a time when "we" may have been "enemies" but at least there was a level of respect. Your country cries foul over some British artist types,my country cries foul over murder by radiation on our soil,go weigh those two up .....

Isthatu wrote:

I hope your control doesn't read this forum

Im sorry that's just so fu*ken funny. I can't stop laughing because its so totally possible.

Im enjoying that British humour

LOL What I want to know is when is the American festival. Yes mattias I can laugh here also.

Not sure Carol,check a London website,I am sure there will be one :)
And matthies,just having a Harry Palmer moment :) Seriously though,its a big problem,I know some great russians but when it gets down to discusing history or russia in generel the "party" line comes up,crikey ,the USSR hasnt existed for what,16 years but still its like no one dares deviate from the official line in case someone overhears...even if the question is just a generel one like those Ive asked,Im only looking for the russian on the streets opinion not the one filtered through the media and am greeted with suspision and sarcasm.....

I know what your saying. I know a couple cool Russians. But I learned not to discuss those issues. One thing you must admit they are patriotic(not always a good thing I hope you understand what I mean)

May I do it? When those institutions were opened in mid 90-ies nooce gave a heck about the law. And for 10 happy years noone have. Suddenly, when the tensions between UK and RF have grown, Putin though it would be good just to remind them about the fact that the existence of such not council-related institutions is simply illegal. They are not feing closed; they are advised to re-register and only if they fail to do so they will be closed.

They DO close restaurants opened illegally here in UK so wahy should it be different in RF?


Hehe, if Russia joins EU we can expect India and China to be next :) Thats a European union for gods sake! Russia is happy enough be a leader of CIS, UORFB and few asian unions.


I am missing those 50-ies too... BTW cars looked much nicer back then though they weren't so fast. And most important... Elvis rocks ;)


It depends on how many Russian and Polish people are in the group ;) When the number is even you can get some peaceful arguements.

well,nice to hear somethings never change,the way it is reported here you would think Kinnock jnr had been taken to a standing cell in the lubyanka :)

yeah, he was so great.. least the pope didnt kill his own countrymen..

why you admire him so much? what great things did the nimwit do for you?
I bet if it was one of your great grandparents or grand parents whom he killed
you would be singing a different tune. we all know we cant change the past. we
should move on from the past,, but we also need to come to our sense's with
the past and by that I say, realize the differences and not say stupid things just
because this man ran your country for a while. they already did damage to the
countrys reputations, why would you want to stick up for a man who clearly
was a coward..

just like certain presidents of the states and other countries.. Im not going to
raise them up on a pedistal when I know they have done wrong.. thats giving all
of what I believe in away in the name of lies.. and I wont fall into that catagory..

I feel so sorry that you did..

this post was meant for constatinek

Oh my word!!! Yes, previous pope was awfuly holy, but the papacy as institution killed more peoples then Stalin and Hitler taken together.


Let me borther you with the historic example from the ancient times which I exactly know and adore. Perfectly known great Byzantine emperor Justinian I unleashed huge religion war on the territories of Syria and Egipt which had caused the death of millions of "heretics", thousands of cities and vilages were destroyed. But in the same time he restored for a while the rein of Romans over all extent of Roman provinces and defeated all barbarians. Who is he, tyrant or hero? The same situation with Stalin and Communists. After 1917 the whole Russian Empire was ruined by their own antagonisms, but Bolshevics could solve a great part of it and restore the soverenity of the state. That's why we not adore them but regard them as great peoples.

Constantin we are talking about JP2 not the whole Church. Like were talking about Stalin not Russia. Name me one death JP is responsible for?

To compare the pope with Stalin is STUPID in every sense of the word. Did you think someone was gonna eat the sh*t your trying to feed them.

Not the same at all, and I doubt the figures you gave for Justinian are correct. Justinian was around 1500 years ago and it could be argued that what he did was for the greater good of Rome - anyway, who's calling him a hero. It's like comparing apples with oranges.

Stalin was different. He was butcher and a maniac and if you think he caused the death of millions for the benefit of Russia, you're plain wrong. He did it to instil fear to secure his reign - that's all. That a Russian would defend him is in my view simply crazy. I suppose Stockholm syndrome could be argued though. Perhaps it's just part of the Russian psyche.

Nobody compares personalities, sure JP was totally innocent. But the Catholic church may compet with Nazi or Communists in total quantity of murdered or may even outclass them all.


Well, ok if you disbelieve me, lets turn to more recent days. Ivan the Terrible (though it is wrong translation of his nickname), who was he? If you contend that he was just a maniac, you deny his contribution in reorganisation of Russian state. Or for example, how we will treat with sush person as Piter I, who cut heads of rebellions with his own hands? Nowbody in Russia idealizes the personality of these statemen, but in the same time all of us realise that their existance was necessary for Russian state.

Your anti-Catholic bias is pathetic. You blindly repeat communist propaganda and never tried to investigate these allegations yourself. If you are Orthodox Christian then this is huge mistake from your side. If more such uninformed Christians would side with "fighting atheists" against the Catholic Church this would cost a lot all of us. Don't be "useful idiot" of the left. Catholics, Orthodox and Protestants have much in common with each other and nothing in common with radical left.

Honestly, I am not even baptized, though of corse, as a Russian I have some preferences toward Orthodoxy. Hence, I can judge church (Catholic, Orthodox or Protestant) almost imparthially.

I can simplify my attitude toward all these branches as:

Catholics are too corupted
Orthodox are very inert or even sluggish
Protestants are too grabber and almost lifeless.

But IMHO the Christianity as whole represent an unpleseant view of old decomposing organism. His time and strength are exhausted.