Poland-Russia: never-ending story?

You are right.Wikipedia writes they had very few heavy armor and only 3000 men each.

where? Because your source is wrong,you are partly right,the 10th did utilise some of the 9ths armour. Trust me southern,Ive been visiting arnhem/oosterbeek/dreil and the memorials for the last 10 years and have worked directly with arnhem veterens since I was a nipper.

Point taken - I did say it first upon rereading - apology tendered and retraction made for the clear error


You cant turn pig excrement into raspberry jam.

lol,sorry dan,clean slate? I have apologised for my posts on "the other thread" so,er,lets stop the willy wagging eh?

(btw, as you can imagine,I was rather dubious about conversing with ex ss men,for all the obvious reasons,but,as I was introduced to them by an arnhem veteren I took the position of if he can talk to them whats stopping me. As it happens they are very nice old boys,not political and both conscripts,on the flip side I have spoken with veterens from the so called right side who were clearly psycopathic unrepentant murderers,happy to discuss shooting un armed "gerries" and other even worse exploits,go figure.)

to those who think stalin was a great leader of russia. what great leader needs to kill his own people. a leader is respected not feared. **** stalin and hitler and **** those who defend them. hitler lost for a reason and USSR collapsed for a reason. the reason is they were full of sh*t.

Agree,, why protect and defend idiots.. yeah they made a name for themselfs
I wouldnt want to go down in history books as a cold blooded killer..

also like to point out don't just defend someone because your the same nationality and he was a leader of your country. I guess what im trying to say is don't be fu*ken stupid.

But I think that all our snutty idle talks about the Greatnes of such persons like Stalin, coast nothing. Undoubtly he was one of the greatest leders of the past, present and sure future world.

your just saying that .. you dont even know who russia's future leaders will be, so
how can you even say stalin was the best .. you can compare to past and present
but not future.. and if you want to condone a killer, go ahead,, we know where
your morals are. sad that people would agree with that.

he was just as bad as hitler. what gives another human the right to dictate whos
lives should be put to death and whos should be spared.
put your shoes on someone else feet for a moment and think,, that could have
been your family wiped out. ahhh but We wouldnt expect such smart people like you
to understand.

Please "Stalin" was the "Hitler" in the east.

Polish women imprisoned under Stalin remember horrors of torture, separation from children

newser.com/article/1A1-D8TUNOR00.html


Also see new topic

Could the truth "The Kremlin Fesses Up" at last be out?

lets do it this way: please state what made Stalin a great leader. love to hear it. don't state he's a great leader without telling us what made him one.

Govnr of Texas can do that,look where that job leads.......

BTW, I dont think there are any Georgians posting on this thread so complaing that someone defending stalin coz they are the same nationality.....
If you take a starting point that all world leaders are selfish a rse holes then how do you mesure "Greatness",is it staying power? Battles/wars won? What? In most definitions uncle joe was a great leader,his grip on power was almost total. Does this make him a Great man? Does it 'ell.

I thought he was born in Georgia to a Russian family. Correct me if I'm wrong.
There were many places colonised by the Russians before and during Soviet times.

what's a great leader: Pope John Paul II was a great leader, Ghandi, Dalai Lama those our great leaders. People who can change the world through non violence and respect. like to say I do support war for self defence and to stop genocide but that's only because their are such few great leaders that we have no option but to resort to war

Dzugashvillii(or something close) very Georgian,the hair,the complexion,just think Katie melua on a bad day :)


set back Aids prevention in Africa by decades,causing the death of countless thousands.insisted that women and girls raped or gang banged had to have any resulting children,so,great?really?


A lovely man. Not really done anything though has he?Tibet is still under chi com rule.

that's a good point about John Paul however it wasn't his intention to spread aids. if people respected all his teachings such as celebicy not only pick and choose his teachings aids wouldn't spread. not saying I agree with his teachings but unlike stalin he didnt kill and slaughter those who wouldn't follow him. he leaves the option to the people. also like to add he's partly responsible for the fall of communism without violence I think that's an accomplishment. as far as daili lama he's trying to accomplish freedom for tibet peacefully so its not going to be quick and easy it can take decades before the chinease mentality changes. here's how I see it violence can have quick results but they are temporary. however non violence can take longer but the results will last longer.

The same leftist c**p over and over again... The church is against condoms, they "offer" you sexual abstinence till marriage. If man and woman follow this Catholic teaching then HIV/AIDS is hardly possible. If they don't then they cannot blame the church. It is hardly possible that somebody is so religious that reject condoms but in the same time he don't accept pre-marriage sexual abstinence.

You should be ashamed, because you spread completely illogical smears against innocent person.

lesser wrote

It is hardly possible that somebody is so religious that reject condoms but in the same time he don't accept pre-marriage sexual abstinence.

GREAT POINT

You all talk about that "Hitler" and "Stalin" are so bad... what about the presidents of Usa.
havent they killed milljons of ppl too? ever heard about the Hiroshima? or korean war? or a more recent war iraq?

Well about the Poland and russian issue i think it will never end. russia did aloot of bad things in Poland, and the Polish ppl will never forget or forgive. but it true that you cant change the past but you can always change the future.

they can,I wonder,would India and Pakistan have fought so many horrible wars with each other had Ghandi not been gunned down?
Dont get me wrong,anyone who can stay on the path of peace has a good heart,but wasnt it yourself who(and apologies if it wasnt) said where would talking peace with hitler have got Poland ? Sometimes violance is the only way to peace,unfortunatly.


Why?Personnaly I think the Catholic/jusuit establishment,in the long run has caused more suffering in this world than any other group of people. Does that mean I think Catholics are bad,of course not but dogma has led to injustice for centuries.

The other pin up is mother theresa,crikey,that mad old coot thought the people who suffered that she "cared" for deserved to suffer for their sins!!!!hideous woman,but we are all supposed to treat her like a saint.....

isthatu you I did say that about violence that its sometimes necessary. that's because hitler was slaughtering people and since non violence takes longer we didn't have the time to wait around and talk. however china is not salughtering people of tibet and so their is time to try non violence. like I said depends on mentality of the enemy. those who try non violence and are successful are great leaders. but that is not saying non violence always works. to compare presidents of america to hitler and stalin is insane. not saying presidents of america didn't **** up but they are no hitler or stalin. as for the atom bomb it probably should not have been used but as a recall japan was a aggressor. being an agressor like hitler and stalin is different then doing something out of defence.

Eristic trick , somehow you want to extend respoinsibility of JPII to all controversial moves of the Catholic Church through the centuries. Admit, that you were wrong... Simply do it.

Btw Mother Theresa made more for poor people that you will ever do (if you will do anything at all..), so WTF?

I agree with lesser. like to add first I don't believe she felt that way like to know where you heard that. lets pretend your right which your not. I don't care about her beliefs I care about her actions. actions speak louder then words. if a satanists rescues a million people I don't care that he worships satan he just saved a million people. beliefs don't matter actions do.

correction don't defend someone because he's your nationality AND/OR use to be a leader of your country.

poor you,blinded by incenses and hocus pocus....


No,but I dont see anyone rushing to be the next nazi party leader or head of international communisim? If your the boss of a corrupt organisation with a history of evil deeds you take on some of the responsibility.


No,why should I,In my opinion I am not,and I dont fear any mumbo jumbo about hell or pergatory,Im wormfood brother,untouchable.


blah blah blah. What did she do? Tell me? How many people that she met are no longer poor? none. Read up on things and make your own mind up,dont blindly believe what a bunch of transvestites tell you.

isthatu just because those people are still poor doesn't mean she didn't help them. are you serious with yourself. she fed them and helped them spiritualy. isthatu what nationality are you if you don't mind. maybe it will explain some things. also your comment about JP that's like saying all future leaders of russia and germany are responsible for stalin and hitler great logic

what a ridiculous thing to say


so... if i drive down the street with my eyes closed and without the intention of killing pani babcia does that mean im not to blame when she gets splattered...?

bubbawoo, lesser is right how can AIDs spread through abstinence and don't mention drugs because majority of AiDS cases in Africa are spread sexually. what's so ridiculous about that I dare you to come up with a good excuse.

lesser said that if you follow the catholic teaching of sexual abstinence to marrige then the spread of aids/hiv is hardly possible - which is a ridiculous thing to say

what's ridiculous about it? all he said abstinance would stop spread of aids. reread the previous posts your misunderstanding something.

quote=BubbaWoo] pani babcia [/quote]
are these words needed to make your ever so complicated (NOT) point comprehensible to a Polish person?


you are to blame. Not the bloke who suggested you walk instead of drive. In this case the Pope has told you not to drive...you would like him to advocate how you should drive...you are responsible for splattering that (knees up) mother brown not him!