Heretics Asylum - The First Republic of Poland

Your clasyfication is one of possible interpretations which is not shared by me. :)

Oh yes, sure and the name of one of those great interpretors is Adolph. :)

A toś strzelił z grubej rury.

Maybe just not particularly bigoted one. There is no law stating that every Catholic has to be a bigot, you know.

I know the rationale behind Church's opposition to in vitro, I have priest in my family, I just find it preposterous.
Catholic Church opposes many strange things, but that has no power of the Decalogue. These are just suggestions, the hints. One has to decide for himself what is good, what is bad, and what is irrelevant. You can call it arrogance, but I consider a little arrogance better then blind obedience. One has to remember that historically Church opposed heliocentric theory.

You seems to be offended, this was not my intention. I just state something obvious basing on your posting. Quoted post just confirm myself to be right.

You not only reject significant part of the teaching of the Catholic Church and this is enough to classify you as a Protestant. You call a person who stick to Catholic teaching to be a bigot, apparently so is the whole church! Come on, this is absolutely ridiculous, there is no logic here. You are not a Catholic even if you call yourself the one. Personally I share some common believes with Muslims, still I'm not one of them.

Well, it wasn't successful.

Because what? Because you have the power to decide what Catholicsm is? Going by your definition, maybe 15% of people who consider themselvs Catholics are "the real thing". At least among people I know. I, for one, am anticlericall Catholic. I oppose the influence of the clergy in political affairs or on our private lives. Is that illogical for you? So down with the logic. Who cares.

Maybe it's time for a redefinition of what it means to be Catholic, rather than just slapping on the sticker passed down by the parents. When you identify strongly with something, you will fight for it but you need to know WHY you are that thing.

Why to you want to be "Catholic"? Is it important to you to be "fake" Catholic as opposite to the real thing?

Why are you so persistent to be something in the name only?
You oppose confluence of the clergy in the political affairs and private lives - any examples?

Of course I don't, this seems to be your personal ambition.



How about more simple solution, no redefinition and who reject the teachings stop call himself Catholic?

If let say 60% of people would be thieves, what would we do? Redefine thieve? Democracy rules! :)


This is something like controlled chaos or socialist free marketer. :)


The point is to water down Catholic doctrine/theology. This is not even about redefinition, the point is to cause that word "Catholic" would mean "nothing precisely" (= "precisely nothing").

all in all people aren't burned at the stake in the name of Jesus,



;-)

it is good that Poles never cared to much about so called teachings of the church and buring at the stake wasn't popular. It is enought to have own brain.

That is cheap shot and pure propaganda. RCC never organized such events unlike some Protestant fanatics or secular rulers.

read something before you calim such nonsense.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Execution_by_burning


I am not defending anny of the churches but simple motivate the people to use thier own brain ... not folow the teachings, so many times those teachings were so wrong... :-)

But here is point for Poland ... where burning at the stake wasn't popular in general... without looking on churches.

Ouh well, I guess I'm not all that religious myself. For me, being Catholic is just going to the right church every sunday...
Come to think about that, I dont know why I started to argue the thing in the first place. I do like that there are still the people adamant about religion, but the close encouters with them somehow irritates me... I got the feeling they closed theirs minds, because some "authority" has told one thing, so it has to be right, despite any arguments.

Its just I despise the set collections of convictions.
One can be Catholic and still support in vitro.
One can be liberal and support the capital punishment.

It developed after the carving up of Poland. Protestantism and Eastern Orthodoxy were the faiths most connected with Germany and Russia. The Polish identity during the non-Poland years was kept alive and shaped by predominantly RC writers and philosophers. Catholicism itself could be seen as a form of resistance in "Russian" Poland.

Following WW2 Protestantism was equated with German/Nazi/Plebiscite traitors, hence the largely Protestant population of Mazury felt it a good idea to move, and many ethnic germans (protestants) were shipped out too. Orthodox groups like the Ukranians, Lemko etc were shifted about (some to Ukraine) while Catholic Poles were shipped in.

Calvinism wasn't popular in Germany ... and Calvins were stronger in Poland than Lutherans.

Probably why so many Scots travelled there.

Big Polish Calvin community could be the reason why Scots decided to immigrate here.

Probably, although interestingly enough, a number of Catholic Scots emigrated to Prussia because of religious problems back home.

Propably after centuries ... were deadly enemies.

It was around the late 16th Century. The Jesuit college in Braniewo was co-founded by a Scottish Jesuit. There is a small chapel in the village of Lubomino which was built by a Scot who had had to flee his homeland because of religious troubles. Of course, just because he was Scottish doesn't mean he lived in Scotland, he might have been living in a Scottish community south of the border.