Should Germany claim to be the victims in Poland?

???

Another myth.You left the gypsies in Slovakia and the Jews in Hungary.

A Nazi ? Are you BB ?...

;)

I think TrannAnni is drunk!
:):):)

Then i hope he's more drunk than you are Nazi ;)

I'm sure of that!

Bboy, you sound like a broken record. I'm still waiting for your reply to my arguments you know. :)

Tran Anh, I coul not have said it better myself. Very good post.

I have just made reflection ... yes the discussion with this nazi scum goes for nowhere ... and I used racist slogans to hurt this nazi scum ... but I started to fight in mud with him and his pathetic world ... ehhhhh

but the fact is that Germans started to talk about history like BB and it isnt good sign ... I m not talking about war or sth but there will be some tensions ... (history becomed problem for Germans it is noticable)

as to this Gold ... it wasnt mainstream story but the fact is that somewhere in Lower silesia there is this gold ... I m not going to talk about details because it is long story ;) BTW very interesting ...

as to Russians it is much different story ... than Germans ... all in all Russians stoped Germans (even they cooperated before) and even they killed so many Polish people ... Nazi germans were the worst ... (and onence more a litle bit of mud ... ;) ) Germans can be nationalists but they cant talk about their clear race anymore ... maybe Russian solutions seam to be crazy but they have done sth

Germans do not talk about history like BB.For the majority of Germans Hitler's period was a very short period which has the same importance as any other period in german history.They find it unfair to remind them of this period without refering to other periods of german history.

If freedom was not a choice National Socialism would have been better then the marxist/stalinist communist bolsheviks that controlled eastern europe for years. The Red army was the true scum.

Does anyone know why the Germans never confront Russia like they do Poland?

Carol

Because of the size and power of the nation. Russia's current policies are very nationalistic and brilliant, the rest of europe should follow.

You sound like a wannable Pole in the 30s trying to imitate der Fuhrer or Il Duce. Though at this moment Russia has not reached the class of Nazi Germany (I think it would not dare), it has definitely adopted a strong resemblance to Mussolini's Italy. I wouldn't mind whether or not Russians are happy with their curse, but I just hope that Poland and the rest of Europe will never again be plagued by the twisted legacy of the Roman Empire (sometime I marvel at the perversion of mankind digging at the past for the crappiest of models!)

Germans hate Russia but they need desperately its natural resources.

Another question, has anyone seen this display Germany has? If yes, what does it say about Russia? Thanks, Carol

They do not use names like Russia in such displays.They talk about Soviet Union,red army and communists.

German victims in Poland.Der Tod sprach polnisch.Look at those poor people and the crimes against them by Poles when WW2 started.

I guess they show something like this.

Not that the English were better.

it would be nice that Germans get complex of inferiority when Slavs start to walk with dignity. Then, germans could be re-Slavicized easily

The Germans will never get inferiority complex.They did not have even during the roman empire.

Abstracting from what I think about pan-Slavism. Who cares what the Germans feel? Do what you need to do. Healthy attitude. :)

Opposed to a Stalinist like yourself? Clearly you have never lived through any form of communism.

you know what bud, just a guess here but with a name like Tran anh, I kinda figure the possibility that he has is fairly high.........

Am i the only Brit left that regards those bombing raids with pride??.....What goes around comes around.

Hopefully.


An eye for an eye leaves the world blind.

Yeah right Isthatu......So when they bombed us all first....You think we should have all sat back and done F...all??........If we all had your attitude i think the Krauts would have won the war!

Im sorry,I didnt realise you had served in the US army in the last war........


No, "we" should have stuck to bombing military targets,not pure revenge attacks on women and children.Simple truth is, the large bomber raids mounted in late 44 and early 45 did f' all for the strategic situation.

okay... i held myself out of that discussion for quite a while now to simply see where it would turn...

i like what i see.
isthatu and southern, you two made some good points and seem to be of the rather clever sort of people at pf. especially southerns last few posts i would 100% agree with. they could have been written by myself... ;)

have a nice christmas all next week!! :D

and a "still nacht" to you too mate :)

Rubbish.....The cities were military targets....What with the road junctions, Rail yards, warehouse etc etc.....Its just that unfortunately the women and kids lived near by!.....I think you've given in to modern day morality!


Don't know what you mean by that mate?

In Dresden there was no military target at all.Only refugees from Pommern,etc.After the war the americans conducted survey which reached the conclusion that allied military raids on big cities had no impact at all at the fighting ability of Germany due to the different economy structure during the war.

Only when the allies started hitting strategic targets like energy plants,factories producing gasoline and important parts of ammunition,did the Germans start to have problems with armament production.The surveys were conducted by a team which included famous american economists like Galbraith who interviewed a lot of german officers,Speer among them.

In his book Speer calls the bombing of big cities a great strategic mistake of the allies.Moreover it increased will of Germans to defend their country and created homeless people ready to fight for Hitler.

in reply to your derogatory term,


normally,and exclusivly used by our late arriving cousins from accross the sea, "we" british prefering such nom de guerre for the enemy as " jerry" or possibly the older ,last war era "hun".


I hope not, more the old fashioned morality of the Geneva and Hague conventions Britain was a signatory of stating the plain fact that Bombings of civilians was to be viewed as a war crime in any future wars. Goering was to be hung, yet Harris was applauded(infact,he wasnt,he was thankfully shunned post war for being a vicious psychopath).


Yes, you keep telling yourself,then look at the actual written record of the RAF and USAAF targeting criteria,namely, did it burn well,and would it cause terror to a large civilian population.

I think the crux of your arguent seems to be ," The nazis did it,so why cant "we"?", which,no offense,seems a little flawed,if not morraly bankrupt.