Poland: dont blame us its the Germans.

Alot were accepted in America and in the UK, an names changed an given army jobs especially in the US army

Well what does that say about the so-called Allies? The Mossad had the right idea, get in there and sweep them off. Eichmann's pseudonym didn't help him then. The hypocrisy of the UK and US knows no boundaries. They blow with the wind when it points in a favourable direction. So it's ok for those guys to kill many and your average Joe Bloggs gets banged up for 25 years for murder? Sth not quite right there.

One Nazi helped to firestart the NASA and to bring a man on the moon! :)

Did he hold a gun to the guy's head and tell him to go or be killed? ;)

Firestart indeed :)

Pointlessly, Seanus? WTF?

You are thinking typical western way "oh, it's 60 years later, get over it already Polish peoples". Your family didn't loose acquired possessions of past generations, you didn't grow up not knowing your grandparents because they were killed, your father didn't grow up in hiding and mentally crippled, your mother was not half-deaf because there were bombs falling when she was walking on her first day of school and she will be always scared of any authority figure, you didn't have to emigrate because your country was a communist-ruled sh!t hole.

You were raised safely in UK so you'll never get it. The war didn't devastate just the country; it devastated whole generation and the next one, too. So pointlessly blame my ass.

My mother had been going to schhol for a couple of years before bombs started falling where she lived. There were still "bombsites" in cities for years after the second world war. The reason I don't know what my grandparents' generation did during this war, was because despite how some of the popular culture depicts them, most did not like to talk about it because of the absolute horror or war and so many friends and family members, particularly young men, had been killed.

Many did emigrate after the second world war, to countries like Australia, New Zealand and Canada because there was nothing left in Britain for them. The economy wasn't good, so many houses had been destroyed and there was rationing for years after the war had ended.

No-one can justify blaming anyone who was not guilty of actually doing anything. Blaming descendents of those who had done wrong is just pure idiocy.

I'm not talking about blaming descendants. I'm talking about the right to be pissed off and about Brits love to complain about Poles complaining.

That's exactly why so many people emigrated from Poland. Silly me, I thought you guys had it better...but you're right osiol, however, people who really lived through the war, my grandparent or my parents, did not like to talk about it...I know some stories, I wish I knew more.

It's not fair to judge an average German, young or old today. Most, had nothing to do with it. They had a crazy guy in power and they were just as scared. My two German friends told me what their mother went through as well. It was not that much different from my grandparents or my parents experiences.

They put that crazy guy in power a lot of them actually voted for him. They chose to follow that "crazy guy" as he invaded your people. The hell with apologizing for the Germans and yes they do deserve criticisim for the pain they inflicted on mankind. You have a dangerous mindset to just forgive them as if they stole a car or something.

What the hell is wrong with you?

The question is, what's wrong with you. I've worked with Germans and I have German friends. I can not imagine blaming them for the past.

It makes me sad when I see on TV young Palestinian boys, five or seven year old, throwing rocks at Jews. Would you like the same happening between Polish and German boys?

Apparently, neither parents are instigating that and that's the way it should be.

????

With that I can agree, present generation of Germans cann't be morally blamed for their fathers sins. But to say things like this:


is just HUGELY inaccurate. Yeah... "this little crazy Hitler guy, came from nowhere, nobody really know him, etc...", "Devilish SS vs knightly Wehrmacht....". Even Germans finally discredited this kind of crap. Facism was a MASSIVE movement with HUGE public support (till they were winning war...).

Yes, Germans lost a lot of Polish lands. They even took lost the cattle their brave soldiers had preciously stolen from Poles. Life can be unfair even to Germans too:)

Ah, bless! Fresh from the debating equivalent of having his pants pulled down and his arse spanked, my very own cyber-stalker has come to try his luck in this thread. Shall I spank him once again?


The numbers for Germany are wikipedia quoting data from the German Federal Ministry of the Interior, which can be found here en.bmi.bund.de/nn_148248/Internet/Content/Themen/Auslaender__Fluechtlinge__Asyl__Zuwanderung/DatenundFakten/Deutsche__Auslaender__mit__Migrationshintergrund__en.html

The numbers for Poland are an unsourced guess, which is directly disproven by data from the Polish Ministry of the Interior, and a ten-year old estimate from an American government employee who is so expert that he doesn't even know that the name is "Roma". See any difference?


Why must there have been an influx over those three years? Do you have any proof of that at all or are you just talking out of your arse yet again? According to people I work with on Roma and Sinti issue, there was actually an outflow of minorities after Poland joined the EU as Roma left Poland in search of a better life in the western Europe they had long tried to claim political asylum in.


Of course not. The key figure is how likely a non-white is to be the victim of racist crime. The number white Germans doesn't change that calculation. The figure is obtained by dividing the number of non-white inhabitants by the number of racist crimes. Are you too stupid to understand that or are you are deliberately bringing in irrelevant numbers?


Perhaps you would like to claim that Sudan is a much safer country to own a car in that Germany because fewer cars are stolen in Sudan and that that shows Sudanese are less likely to steal cars than Germans? Of course there are far fewer cars stolen in Sudan: there are far fewer cars in Sudan. But if you own a car in Sudan it is more likely to be stolen than a car in Germany. In the same way, a non-white in Poland is far more likely to be the victim of racist crime than a non-white in Germany.


That statement clearly shows that you are either a liar or an idiot. Or perhaps you are both.


You seem to forget that for almost a thousand years Poland had a very sizeable Jewish population. Either that or you are lying yet again.


What happened to the hundreds of thousands of Polish Jews who survived the holocaust? Did Catholic Poles welcome back their Jewish countrymen? Or did they have themselves a good old fashioned pogrom to welcome the Jews back with? And what happened to the tens of thousands of Jews who stayed in Poland until the 1960s? Poland hasn't long been as 'racially pure' as you clearly want it to be.

The Kielce Pogrom of 1946, depending on who you read, appears to have been staged. Still, to deny anti-Semitism at that time is to deny reality.

Dariusz had a point with ethnic minorities. Besides the Jews, they didn't have many.

I make no claims about Sudan.
I have proven that Germans are 48 times more likely to commit racially motivated crimes than Poles. Numers are numbers. You make dislike them but you can't dispute them.

Indeed, same Soviet bastards orchestrated another 'shows' in other cities of Poland, too.
In Kielce, 9 random bystanders, completely innocent, had to die, because of fvcking Soviets.

Iwo Pogonowski writes about that and other forms of 'antisemitism' in Poland..


Yep, totally true. The point is, the antisemitism in Poland was and is on no higher level (I say way less level) than in any other goddamned country in Europe.

They have made great carrer in communist Poland.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jakub_Berman


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salomon_Morel


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helena_Wolińska-Brus


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julia_Brystiger

So to you the fact that a non-white is more than twice as like as likely to be the victim of racist crime as they are in Germany is a sign of how well Poland is doing. Of course it is: you want Poland to be lily-white and so view anything that keeps whites out of ‘your’ country as a good thing.

You have proven nothing like what you claim. There is more racist crime in Germany because there is more opportunity to commit such crime (i.e. more non-whites to attack etc) and more laws to break (shouting Seig Heil in Germany is a crime while in Poland it is a source of amusement). Tens of millions of Poles can not commit racist crime simply because there are no non-whites for them to attack!

Well done for your devastating reply to the other points I made. Shall we just assume that you were indeed lying and you can’t defend those lies?


And the remaining 249,996?

Thise exreme examples were speical for Harry... there is of course much more positive perosonalities with such background..

As to nubers of non white people in Poland ... they are much higher than Harry mentioned.

What is more 177 hate crimes isn't special number... there may be different interpretations but still 177 is tinny number.

As to being Polish or not in national survey ... I have next example:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatars#Polish_Tatars

The Polish 1931 census (from Wiki seems) to indicate that the Ukranians were a larger ethnic minority than Jews in Poland? And that non-Poles made up 31.1% of the population.

Polish census of 1931
Population and main minorities
total=32,108,000
Poles= 21,835,000
Ukranians/Belarusians 6,418,000
Jews = 3,114,000
Germans= 741,000

* Poles, 68.9% of the population
* Ukrainians, 13.9%
* Jews, 8.7%
* Belarusians, 3.1%
* Germans, 2.3%
* Other, 3.1%

From a British perspective, that's not many :)

You are asking a question while suggesting a false premise. Your numbers do not show that minorities in Poland are "more than twice" likely to be victims of racially motivated crimes (144) than in Germany(192) - your numbers. The numbers show they are less than twice likely. In fact the number is 1.33(...).

Yet gaian caught with your pants down, huh?

What now? Are you gonna alude to me living in Poland as a proof that Poles are racists?


The only point you have been making is exposing your hatred to Poles. And you do it so blatantly and shamelessly that even other posters here, otherwise not ncesssarilly sympathetic to Poles, are already laughing at you. You come across as a bigot, liar and manipulator.

Or is it the lack of grade 2 arithmetic skills?

Congratulations on walking straight into yet another spanking: you have just confirmed that the numbers show that non-whites are more likely to be be the victims of racist crime in Poland than they are in Germany. So even you agree what the figures show. Thank you for that.


I can't say anything about you living in Poland because, as we all know, you abandoned Poland in her hour of need for a better life in 'the west' and now you refuse to come back to Poland. Proof of how much a proud Polish patriot you are.


So no you can not defend any of those lies. Instead you resort to your stock line: ad homs insults.


Yes, presenting cold hard facts is lying and manipulating? You might want to go back to your dictionary and check the meaning of those words. As for being a bigot, it's not me who is making racist comments here: it is you.

oh, I can see that picture clearly: tens of millions of Poles waking up every morning and thinking "damn, I can't commit racist crime today simply because there are no non-whites for me to attack!"

Oh look, it's my other cyber-stalker! How are you today sweetie? Thanks so much for telling us in Poland how Poland is from your expert viewpoint in Canada. Another proud Polish patriot sharing expat wisdom with us, how blessed we are!

I know you're desperate but dictionary is not needed here.
What you need is remedial math.
192/144=1.33(...) (not more than 2)

And I did not dispute the numbers. I merely showed a different angle. Poles are 48 less likely to commit racist crimes than Germans and that is a fact based on exactly the same numbers that you quoted.

I also dispute your blatantly prejudiced interpretation of facts whereby you state that 1.33 is the same as "more than twice". Not only are you lying but you also consider the readers of this forum to be sheep who will not check facts. We do and you continue to be seen as a prejudiced liar and a bigot. Your lies are here for all to see and your dishonesty and hatred won't be hidden behind your personal attacks and your clumsy attempts at erudition.

Cranky, so proceed with caution


Harry, since where YOU include yourself into Polish population? I'm seriously displeased!

A quick aside; not all crimes against 'minorities' are racially motivated. Second point; many minorities commit crimes within their own groups.

Anny way I don't see the reason to talk to Harry Templeton as long as he uses provocation in his debates. :) He maniupaltes data ... he hates country where he lives :)

Thank you Harry that you posted that there were 177 such crimes in Poland ... what incudes racist graffiti on wall or racist statment on stadium (in what non white person isn't needed) :)