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Who were European natives? What happened to them? Where they are?


OP Crow 147 | 9,312  
29 Sep 2008 /  #31
rock:
I am curious of Europeans nations religon before christianity ?

What were the beliefs ?

pagan

eh,... pagan?

that`s not the answer. You can do it bater

i don`t know how is that particular word `pagan` positioned in Polish but in Serbian word is pejorative... what in its far extent explaining to us that antic Greeks and Romans used pejorative terms for bearers of old native European religion. Natives were considered as `lower` people, eventually suitable for slaves

later, Greek and Roman religious concepts were influenced by `pagan` beliefs. We can also note some similarities between Christianity and pre-Christian European `paganism`. Anyway, i don`t like word `pagan`. For me that`s insulting, no matter that i consider myself a Christian. I am Christian but i am also a Serbian and celebrate ancient Slavic SLAVA family custom, which is directly dedicated to ancestors. Ancestors deserve to be respected
loco polaco 3 | 352  
29 Sep 2008 /  #32
Meaning: [religion of the] countryside.

(from Latin paganus, meaning "country dweller, rustic")
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,548  
29 Sep 2008 /  #33
Ancestors deserve to be respected

Do I detect a hidden pagan deep inside of you???

Anyway, i don`t like word `pagan`. For me that`s insulting,

Why? It sounds nice...
OP Crow 147 | 9,312  
29 Sep 2008 /  #34
osiol:
Meaning: [religion of the] countryside.

(from Latin paganus, meaning "country dweller, rustic")

just another example that Latin was strongly influenced by Slavic languages and in general by Slavs (way of life, knowladge, skils, culture...)

two situations:

- word `calendar` coming from word KOLEDO (custom based on solstice), KOLODAR (translating from Serbian meaning `gift from the Sun`); KOLODAR - ancient spiritual concept which considered tools for measuring of Sun solstice

- when Romans sow that Slavs call each others `slavjani` (Slavs), considering that Slavs were people subjugated to them, Romans started to designate their slaves with word based on the name of Slavs - `sclavus` or `servus` from Sarmatian/Serbian- another (eventualy original) Slavic universal designation.
z_darius 14 | 3,968  
29 Sep 2008 /  #35
- word `calendar` coming from word KOLEDO (custom based on solstice), KOLODAR (translating from Serbian meniang gift from the Sun); KOLODAR - ancient spiritual concept which considered tools for measuring of Sun solstice

I dunno where you take these things from.

Calendar came to Latin from PIE kele- "to call, shout". Two words were then in use which are the origin of the word calendar:

- "calends" the first day of the Roman month when debts were due
- "calare" announcements by priests that marked the new moon which, in turn, marked the calends.
osiol 55 | 3,922  
29 Sep 2008 /  #36
Latin is an Indo-European language, just like the Slavic languages.
Daisy 3 | 1,227  
29 Sep 2008 /  #37
I dunno where you take these things from

He's very creative
OP Crow 147 | 9,312  
29 Sep 2008 /  #38
Do I detect a hidden pagan deep inside of you???

SERBIAN SLAVA is Christianized custom. Christianized ritual of original ancient custom which existed in deep past

In SLAVA concept, on some particular day which is dedicated to ancestors, Serbian `pater familias` head of the house communicate with the world of ancestors (following christianized old rituals) via family saint (Christian saint- protector of family and personification of ancestors).

speaking very simplisticaly, using SLAVA (on some particular day in a year), Serbs call ancestors that they represent family interests to the God (Jesus Christ).
z_darius 14 | 3,968  
29 Sep 2008 /  #40
He's very creative

That shows, but still, even reading this "creativity" is somewhat embarrassing.
Daisy 3 | 1,227  
29 Sep 2008 /  #41
Was that a "yes" ?

I wonder how long the answer to that is going to be
osiol 55 | 3,922  
29 Sep 2008 /  #42
I thought that the Romans took all kinds of different perople as Slaves, Slavs just being some of them. Many people, including some Slavs, became Romanised. Someone other than Crow can correct me if I'm wrong, but the word "slave" developed from the Late Latin od the mediaeval, as so many had been enslaved by Vikings, Mongols, Arabs and so on.
OP Crow 147 | 9,312  
29 Sep 2008 /  #43
KOLO - DAR, ANCIENT SCIENCE physical and spiritual OZDOROVLENIYA

Now a lot of printed books and articles on ancient Russian and Slavic traditions, reviving the true history of our people, and published translations of ancient treatises, but almost nowhere are not attributed to the spiritual, psychological, energy and combat practice.

kolo-dar.times.lv/kolodar.htm
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,548  
29 Sep 2008 /  #44
word `calendar` coming from word KOLEDO

Your links show nothing about your opinion that the word Calendar stems from "Koledo".....

That sounds more like it: wordinfo.info/words/index/info/view_unit/3465/?letter=L&spage=2

calends
From calare, "to call".

The first day of the Roman month. Varro said the term was first used to call the people together on the first day of the month when the pontifex told them of the time of the new moon, the day of the nones, and the festivals and sacred days to be observed. The custom continued until A.U.C. 450 when the fasti or calendarwas posted in public places.

z_darius 14 | 3,968  
29 Sep 2008 /  #45
correct me if I'm wrong, but the word "slave" developed from the Late Latin od the mediaeval

Nothing to correct.
The word slave dates to around the end of the 6th century AD. "Latinians" used "servus" (among others). So a computer network server is a slave. So are waiters since they serve. And of course politicians. They are willing slaves, I mean public servants.
Daisy 3 | 1,227  
29 Sep 2008 /  #46
I still want to know where this whole thread is leading
osiol 55 | 3,922  
29 Sep 2008 /  #47
A big Pagan-style orgy with Druids and stuff.
Daisy 3 | 1,227  
29 Sep 2008 /  #49
A big Pagan-style orgy with Druids and stuff.

Don't tell me Druid is an ancient Serbian word
polishgirltx  
29 Sep 2008 /  #50
Who were European natives?

monkeys...

What happened to them?

some stopped tree climbing and the evolution took place....

Where they are?

some are locked up in zoos.... but most aren't, even though they should...

;)
Daisy 3 | 1,227  
29 Sep 2008 /  #51
some are locked up in zoos

Some are posting on PFs
osiol 55 | 3,922  
29 Sep 2008 /  #52
Quercus robur, Q. petraea, Betula pendula, B. pubescens, Tilia cordata, T. platyphyllos, Pinus sylvestris, P. nigra, P. mugo, Alnus glutinosa, A. cordata, Crataegus monogyna, Castanea sativa, Acer pseudoplatanus, A. platanoides, A. campestre, Ilex aquifolium, Taxus baccata, Buxus sempervirens, Fraxinus excelsior, Fagus sylvatica, Carpinus betulus... and that's just a tiny few of Europe's natives who are all still here.
Bartolome 2 | 1,085  
29 Sep 2008 /  #53
P. nigra

You be careful there. They sue donkeys in some countries.
OP Crow 147 | 9,312  
29 Sep 2008 /  #54
Your links show nothing about your opinion that the word Calendar stems from "Koledo".....

read this...

Others believe it derived from Kolo, "wheel", like Yule is an Anglo-Saxon word for wheel. Another speculation is that it derived from the Serbian "коло, колодар" (kolo, kolodar) or bulgaro-macedonian word "колем, коля"/"kolem, kolia", which means "to rip, to kill (a man), to cut animal for eating". Some claim it was named after Kolyada, the Slavic god of winter.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koleda

some people tries to ruin this thread, for different reasons. All people have their resons. i respect choices of others. As for myself, i still seek. i am opened. Aware that i am no more then slave, in my spirit i`m free
osiol 55 | 3,922  
29 Sep 2008 /  #55
You be careful there

Poles should think carefully before reading the name of this tree aloud.

Pinus.

Seeing as more of the Quarternary has been glacial rather than interglacial, perhaps Europe's true natives should be reindeer, arctic foxes, polar bears and lichens that can grow on snow.

i still seek

Read up about all the different Indo-European pre-Christian belief systems then. Then read up about how before the Indo-European culture arrived in Europe, things were quite different - if they were not predominantly matriarchies, they were at least a lot less strongly patriarchal and a lot less war-like, even after the introduction of agriculture.

People resettled Eruope after the last ice age, just like our friends Quercus robur and Corylus avellana, from a small number of refuges in Iberia, Italy, the Balkans and north of the Black Sea. And then there was the palaeolithic, and so on and so on.
Daisy 3 | 1,227  
29 Sep 2008 /  #56
All people have their resons. i respect choices of others. As for myself, i still seek. i am opened

But where is all of this leading?
OP Crow 147 | 9,312  
29 Sep 2008 /  #57
perhaps Europe's true natives should be reindeer, arctic foxes, polar bears and lichens that can grow on snow.

wrong. If you follow that logic you would inevitable come to conclusion that those are viruses and bacterias, amoebas
miranda  
29 Sep 2008 /  #58
But where is all of this leading?

amebas

osiol 55 | 3,922  
29 Sep 2008 /  #59
wrong. If you follow that logic you would inevitable come to conclusion that those are viruses and bacterias, amebas

Not wrong. The ice may well return. What is native and what is not, is a far more complicated thing. What I said about arctic foxes was simply to remind you of that in a more interesting (and hopefully humourous) way.

Anyway, there are far more indigenous bacteria than humans. So what? Some of them need us and our filth!
Bartolome 2 | 1,085  
29 Sep 2008 /  #60
Interesting small article. The man knows who his ancestors living 3000 years ago were: news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7570928.stm
They were just cavemen, not Slavs, Germans or other Ugrofins.

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