Who were European natives? What happened to them? Where they are?

eh,... pagan?

that`s not the answer. You can do it bater

i don`t know how is that particular word `pagan` positioned in Polish but in Serbian word is pejorative... what in its far extent explaining to us that antic Greeks and Romans used pejorative terms for bearers of old native European religion. Natives were considered as `lower` people, eventually suitable for slaves

later, Greek and Roman religious concepts were influenced by `pagan` beliefs. We can also note some similarities between Christianity and pre-Christian European `paganism`. Anyway, i don`t like word `pagan`. For me that`s insulting, no matter that i consider myself a Christian. I am Christian but i am also a Serbian and celebrate ancient Slavic SLAVA family custom, which is directly dedicated to ancestors. Ancestors deserve to be respected

(from Latin paganus, meaning "country dweller, rustic")

Do I detect a hidden pagan deep inside of you???


Why? It sounds nice...

just another example that Latin was strongly influenced by Slavic languages and in general by Slavs (way of life, knowladge, skils, culture...)

two situations:

- word `calendar` coming from word KOLEDO (custom based on solstice), KOLODAR (translating from Serbian meaning `gift from the Sun`); KOLODAR - ancient spiritual concept which considered tools for measuring of Sun solstice

- when Romans sow that Slavs call each others `slavjani` (Slavs), considering that Slavs were people subjugated to them, Romans started to designate their slaves with word based on the name of Slavs - `sclavus` or `servus` from Sarmatian/Serbian- another (eventualy original) Slavic universal designation.

I dunno where you take these things from.

Calendar came to Latin from PIE kele- "to call, shout". Two words were then in use which are the origin of the word calendar:

- "calends" the first day of the Roman month when debts were due
- "calare" announcements by priests that marked the new moon which, in turn, marked the calends.

Latin is an Indo-European language, just like the Slavic languages.

He's very creative

SERBIAN SLAVA is Christianized custom. Christianized ritual of original ancient custom which existed in deep past

In SLAVA concept, on some particular day which is dedicated to ancestors, Serbian `pater familias` head of the house communicate with the world of ancestors (following christianized old rituals) via family saint (Christian saint- protector of family and personification of ancestors).

speaking very simplisticaly, using SLAVA (on some particular day in a year), Serbs call ancestors that they represent family interests to the God (Jesus Christ).

Was that a "yes" ?

That shows, but still, even reading this "creativity" is somewhat embarrassing.

I wonder how long the answer to that is going to be

I thought that the Romans took all kinds of different perople as Slaves, Slavs just being some of them. Many people, including some Slavs, became Romanised. Someone other than Crow can correct me if I'm wrong, but the word "slave" developed from the Late Latin od the mediaeval, as so many had been enslaved by Vikings, Mongols, Arabs and so on.

KOLO - DAR, ANCIENT SCIENCE physical and spiritual OZDOROVLENIYA


kolo-dar.times.lv/kolodar.htm

Your links show nothing about your opinion that the word Calendar stems from "Koledo".....

That sounds more like it: wordinfo.info/words/index/info/view_unit/3465/?letter=L&spage=2

Nothing to correct.
The word slave dates to around the end of the 6th century AD. "Latinians" used "servus" (among others). So a computer network server is a slave. So are waiters since they serve. And of course politicians. They are willing slaves, I mean public servants.

I still want to know where this whole thread is leading

A big Pagan-style orgy with Druids and stuff.

....especially "stuff"! :)

Don't tell me Druid is an ancient Serbian word

monkeys...


some stopped tree climbing and the evolution took place....


some are locked up in zoos.... but most aren't, even though they should...

;)

Some are posting on PFs

Quercus robur, Q. petraea, Betula pendula, B. pubescens, Tilia cordata, T. platyphyllos, Pinus sylvestris, P. nigra, P. mugo, Alnus glutinosa, A. cordata, Crataegus monogyna, Castanea sativa, Acer pseudoplatanus, A. platanoides, A. campestre, Ilex aquifolium, Taxus baccata, Buxus sempervirens, Fraxinus excelsior, Fagus sylvatica, Carpinus betulus... and that's just a tiny few of Europe's natives who are all still here.

You be careful there. They sue donkeys in some countries.

read this...


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koleda

some people tries to ruin this thread, for different reasons. All people have their resons. i respect choices of others. As for myself, i still seek. i am opened. Aware that i am no more then slave, in my spirit i`m free

Poles should think carefully before reading the name of this tree aloud.

Pinus.

Seeing as more of the Quarternary has been glacial rather than interglacial, perhaps Europe's true natives should be reindeer, arctic foxes, polar bears and lichens that can grow on snow.


Read up about all the different Indo-European pre-Christian belief systems then. Then read up about how before the Indo-European culture arrived in Europe, things were quite different - if they were not predominantly matriarchies, they were at least a lot less strongly patriarchal and a lot less war-like, even after the introduction of agriculture.

People resettled Eruope after the last ice age, just like our friends Quercus robur and Corylus avellana, from a small number of refuges in Iberia, Italy, the Balkans and north of the Black Sea. And then there was the palaeolithic, and so on and so on.

But where is all of this leading?

wrong. If you follow that logic you would inevitable come to conclusion that those are viruses and bacterias, amoebas

Not wrong. The ice may well return. What is native and what is not, is a far more complicated thing. What I said about arctic foxes was simply to remind you of that in a more interesting (and hopefully humourous) way.

Anyway, there are far more indigenous bacteria than humans. So what? Some of them need us and our filth!

Interesting small article. The man knows who his ancestors living 3000 years ago were: news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7570928.stm
They were just cavemen, not Slavs, Germans or other Ugrofins.