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Benefit cuts for Poles in The UK?


Maybe 12 | 409
21 Feb 2013 #121
Britain is now more or less a classless society

You cannot possibly argue that point, not only does the UK still have a class structure, it also has a caste structure than Europeans are completely blind to. Not only that but we have an increasingly sectarian population. The North South divide is still very evident. it is not as simple to talk about working class, middle class, upper class, Aristocracy etc. the subdivisions, subsets, subcultures within the UKs increasingly diversified nation all contribute to Class Structure.

Britain is well on its way to becoming a society run by the wealthy for the wealthy and so is Poland.

Er...it always has been, as is the rest of the world.

You could well argue that the working class in Britian has been destroyed, that is a feasible argument.
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,671
21 Feb 2013 #122
Britain is now more or less a classless society.The British class system is "an invisible prison" from which, increasingly, there is little escape

isnt there a contradiction in those two sentences?
urbanlegend - | 24
21 Feb 2013 #123
Britain is now more or less a classless society.

Yeah.

and Poles now more or less don't eat cabbage.

I've heard the pope isn't a catholic either : )
TommyG 1 | 361
22 Feb 2013 #124
They will study a recent French decision to slash benefit payments to immigrants by 83 per cent

Yes, good idea... let's follow the French... then one day we can emulate their prestige in the world rankings...
Look, Poles are not to blame for the UK's failings... you have to go back 30-40 years and watch how the govt f*cked our manufacturing industry for that...

If you want to cut benefits for all the single mums and dole-dossers then do it... wtch 2million chavy white brits lose their benefits.... maybe we can send them to OZ again...
Barney 14 | 1,469
22 Feb 2013 #125
You said

The quality of the British debate is so poor that we almost never look at this from the point of view of the low-waged worker. After every budget, the IFS will dutifully work out if it has been “fair” – ie, gives the most to the poorest. The LibDems will judge a budget by this metric.

you also railed against the tax system and called for Polish people to be put on a Scottish Island.

The parents can still avail of Child Tax Credit for each child in further eduucation up to their 20th birthday,

Now you want to extend benefit culture?

Something doesn’t compute.
Do you want to extend the benefit system or not?
OP jon357 63 | 14,254
22 Feb 2013 #126
There is a money divide, we do live in a capitalist society after all.

Basically that's all it is nowadays.
Barney 14 | 1,469
22 Feb 2013 #127
What is the difference between class division and wealth division considering that culture or lack there off has been thrown as a description for those at the lower end?
poland_
22 Feb 2013 #128
you also railed against the tax system and called for Polish people to be put on a Scottish Island.

Now you want to extend benefit culture? Something doesn't compute.Do you want to extend the benefit system or not?

I called for Asylum seekers to be processed on a Scottish island, do not twist my words Barney.

Parents can avail of current tax credits for their 16-20 years olds.

You want to live in a socialistic country Barney, move to Sweden, Norway,Denmark or the Netherlands.

What is the difference between class division and wealth division

Money.

considering that culture or lack there off has been thrown as a description for those at the lower end?

The above was in consideration of the Chavs and Neds debate. NOT a class system.

I am considering modern UK a classless society.
thetenminuteman 1 | 80
23 Feb 2013 #129
Yes: BRITAIN was yesterday stripped of its AAA credit rating, an indicator that it is time for a reality check.

Absolutely. The country was relying on house prices rising to keep control of consumer debt, which was simply not going to work in the long run.

I think several monsters have just gone completely out of control - the NHS, the benefit system, etc.
OP jon357 63 | 14,254
23 Feb 2013 #130
that fabled sense of decency and fair play

Which certainly exists.

Locking people on a remote island will do what exactly

Warszawski actually talked about processing asylum seekers - don't twist his words. Personally, I feel the UK has been extremely generous giving asylum over the years and it's now someone else's turn for a decade or so - much more practical to return people on the airline they came on.

Its a lovely classless society that you have in your own mind, on the one hand there are uncultured "bottom feeders" as you called them, who are the same class as the Covent Garden opera goers the only thing that separates them is the will to succeed nothing more. That is a really self congratulatory twisted Triumph of the will view of the world

Leaving out your bitter way of phrasing it, what you've described is the way of the world - some people do better in life than others. BUt remove the rewards for doing well, remove the luxury and the status and you also remove the incentive for showing initiative and seizing opportunities before your rivals.
Barney 14 | 1,469
23 Feb 2013 #131
Which certainly exists

Which is exactly my point.
Processing/locking the difference is what exactly? To process humans on a remote island necessitates incarcerating them on that island and is fundamentally inhuman.

Leaving out your bitter way of phrasing it, what you've described is the way of the world

There is no bitterness Jon, warszawski wrote there in no differences in society and advancement comes directly from the will to achieve, that is patently untrue. It’s a self congratulatory description of the world.
OP jon357 63 | 14,254
23 Feb 2013 #132
Processing/locking the difference is what exactly?

In one they're trying to get you to leave and in the other they're locking you away.

Is there any reason asylum processing centres should be in the Home Counties?

warszawski wrote there in no differences in society and advancement comes directly from the will to achieve

Without the will to achieve there is no achievement. And many, many people do succeed against terrible odds where others sink even if they're born with a silver spoon in their mouth. That isn't often down to just look.
Bikerjenko 2 | 28
28 Feb 2013 #133
I have to pay nearly £50.00 a month prescription charge for medication in Poland which is free in the UK, even though the NHS is refunding NFZ!!!! and although I have worked for over 40 years in the UK and never received benefits the NHS will only provide the funding till January 2014 (about 18 months in total)
jwojcie 2 | 763
1 Mar 2013 #134
Dude, are you sure that NHS is refunding NFZ for your drugs? AFAIK EHIC works in that way, that:

It only covers healthcare which is normally covered by a statutory health care system in the visited country

Anyway, keep the bills maybe NHS will refund it to you back in UK...
Barney 14 | 1,469
1 Mar 2013 #135
I have to pay nearly £50.00 a month prescription charge for medication in Poland which is free in the UK,

Its only free in England if you are on benefits otherwise you have to pay.
ForeverBetrayed
1 Mar 2013 #136
Dude, are you sure that NHS is refunding NFZ for your drugs?

can't imagine they would refund prescription drugs
treatment perhaps
ufo973 10 | 89
25 Mar 2013 #137
Merged: UK to curb migrant benefits for European Welfare Seekers

25 March 2013 Last updated at 19:17 GMT:

David Cameron

Europeans will have to prove they are "genuinely seeking employment" to claim UK jobless benefits for more than six months, David Cameron has said.

The prime minister said it was among measures to ensure people came to the UK "for the right reasons" after it became a "soft touch" under Labour.

Migrants from the European Economic Area - the EU member states plus Iceland, Liechtenstein and Norway - currently have to show they have a "reasonable chance" of finding a job to receive unemployment benefit for more than six months.

Downing Street said they would now face a more rigorous test to assess whether they had a "realistic prospect" of getting a job, with the ability to speak English one of the criteria.


Read More: bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21921089
Ironside 48 | 9,900
25 Mar 2013 #138
As it has been proven that European welfare seekers is just an urban myth all that busy bee activity must be connected to Romania and millions of their gypsies. Such legislation will give them basis for removal of unwanted gypsies.

see if they want they can.
Wroclaw Boy
25 Mar 2013 #140
Europeans will have to prove they are "genuinely seeking employment" to claim UK jobless benefits for more than six months

They need to be 'genuinely seeking employment' at the moment, whats the difference?

This is bollox, just hot air.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163
26 Mar 2013 #141
Brown is just trying to score a few points on "they stole my job ! [although I've never worked]" crowd of plebs.
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,671
26 Mar 2013 #142
u are right G., but it's not Brown it's that ghastly reptile Cameron
citizen67 6 | 191
1 Apr 2013 #143
You want to live in a socialistic country Barney, move to Sweden, Norway,Denmark or the Netherlands.

They are not "socialistic" countries they are democratic countries.


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