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Officials in Poland are hailing an upcoming visit by Donald Trump


Ironside 53 | 12,424
12 Jul 2017 #391
The question is, how the future for the country would look like in that case.

Pretty well, I said (do I need to print it in big letters for you to comprehend?), that Germany will be hit much harder than Poland. Poland doesn't have to buy stuff from Germany or France. This three seas project looks good.
Lyzko 45 | 9,420
12 Jul 2017 #392
Poland's clearly the weaker partner from a trading viewpoint.
Dirk diggler 10 | 4,585
12 Jul 2017 #393
Well poland has a some 9 bil dollar trade surplus with Germany, around 8 with uk and 6 with czechy. Nonetheless around a quarter of pl exports go to Germany.

However that doesn't really mean much. Trade partnerships can be destroyed and formed in no time. For example a 20 bil trade deficit with China would be unthinkable in poland just a few years ago.

Poland relies too much on Europe for trade as it is. Although Poland's been doing a lot more business with less traditional eu partners like Romania instead of just relying on rich western nations. They need to seek new partners both for import and export outside of eu especially eastward. At least they've started to look outside the box and develop partnerships in places like India bangladesh and even Africa now.
Tacitus 2 | 1,382
12 Jul 2017 #394
Trade partnerships can be destroyed and formed in no time.

Trade partnerships can be destroyed easily, bbutit takes time to develop them, especially if you want a particulary close partnership. Germany is an ideal trading partner, because it is geographically close, has large and wealthy population that seek Polish services and thanks to its' higher wage structure, has trouble with competing with Polish competition. No other country fullfills all those criterias. It would be utterly foolish to throw this away.
cms 9 | 1,255
12 Jul 2017 #395
You know why we like trading with Europe ? Because it is next door, our roads and railways are connected to theirs, we have the same regulations, no tarriffs, same trading standards, a currency that strongly correlates to the Euro. Why would we throw that away just to trade with unstable dictatorships ?
weg04
12 Jul 2017 #396
just relying on rich western nations.

Yeah, lets rely on poor countries who cannot afford buy our goods. I love your 'logic'.

Because it is next door, our roads and railways are connected to theirs,

And because of it, European nations buy our exports. When Poland couldn't export, it didn't and was brilliantly independent from the West.
cms 9 | 1,255
12 Jul 2017 #397
It is also nonsense that you can build up that kind of relationship at the drop of a hat - something that senile Brexiters and poorly educated Trump voters can not understand - it takes many years of building institutions and mutual trust.
OP johnny reb 49 | 7,098
12 Jul 2017 #398
President Trumps speech was a great speech if not at least an O.K. speech.
But because the subject doesn't relate to Russia stealing the election from Hillary Clinton or to an erosion of press freedom by way of Trump tweeting insults at cable news, the drive by's Liberal media are left spitting & sputtering for ways to hate the president just like some of the posting members do here on the P.F.

The Washington Post's news article on Trump's speech described it as "a dark and provocative address with nationalist overtones."
"Nationalist" is the media's dismissive catch all term for any policy that defines the U.S. as an independent country.
Poland sets a perfect example of nationalism which I hope the U.S. becomes more like.

ignorant Trump voters

Son, you are ignorant to who the Trump voters even are.
nothanks - | 633
12 Jul 2017 #399
poorly educated

This is the new leftist battle cry. My STEM (science, technology, engineering, mathematics) courses never ever involved politics. You know which classes did? The pointless liberal arts courses we were forced to take to put money into the pockets of agenda pushing "professors".

Educated =/= Intelligent or even informed.
OP johnny reb 49 | 7,098
12 Jul 2017 #400
I have never heard it said better.
Thank you

The actual number in attendance was never released by anyone,

The Warsaw Police estimated the crowd at Trumps speech at 15,000.
cms 9 | 1,255
12 Jul 2017 #401
@nothanks

Well if you have such magnificent maths education then you will be able to look at statistics and see that there is a significant correlation between being educated and being informed and intelligent. Not sure if the courses in Moscow State cover such material or if they are still concentrating on grain quotas and steel output.

And you would also notice that the strongest indicator of voting for Trump is lack of a college education. Sample statistic - in the 59 counties with highest level of college education in the US then Clinton increased her vote from Obama 2012. In the 50 least educated counties then Trump increased his vote from Romney 2012. There are plenty of similar statistics available that make a plain case - Trumps lies were aimed at the weak and the ignorant. Now he can get working on delivering what he promised them - reopened mines, tarriffs on imports, a wall paid for by Mexicans and a massive cut to their healthcare. Or is he too busy abusing straw men on Twitter ?
cms 9 | 1,255
12 Jul 2017 #402
Since we are talking about maths then here is a quick calc.

234 PiS Posel + 64 deputies = 298

They were all ordered to fill one bus each, lets assume 50 mohers per coach

That makes 14.900.

Not sure who the other 100 were.
nothanks - | 633
12 Jul 2017 #403
college education in the US

Your argument should be: those without college degrees are probably working lower paying jobs and thus feel deserted by a fast changing society (demographics and technologies). Thus more willing to listen to a change (revert back to the past) candidate. This doesn't make them dumb, they simply face different everyday problems. [Sidenote: Obama should have spent some of his 8 years in office helping convert these "outdated" folks to the new age but instead he kinda did desert them]

I just have a problem drawing the line at college degree. High school - yes. But is there that much of a difference between an electrician, carpenter, car mechanic or (polish jk) plumber in comparison to an individual with a liberal arts degree. Unless you are arguing these liberal courses in for example cultural awareness makes the individual more open to outsiders etc. But that to me borders on ideological propaganda.

IMO this new political argument about college degrees was created because the left knows it controls a significant portion of this industry. As I mentioned my math/science courses never got political. I took a couple accounting/economics courses when I was younger and these involved a bit of politics. But the liberal arts classes for general ed were heavily political. The right should start arguing church attendance is a barometer of morality.
gregy741 5 | 1,232
12 Jul 2017 #404
Not sure who the other 100 were.

who cares..there were more than 30 millions of poles(i counted myself) cheering the greatest president of USA,we are all relieved that criminals such as Hilary Clinton are not leading USA..or war criminals like Barak obama.uffff Americans got lucky this time.

now we need normalise relationship with Russia and be friend with another great leader Vladimir Putin.
OP johnny reb 49 | 7,098
12 Jul 2017 #405
But the liberal arts classes for general ed were heavily political.

There is not a whole lot of difference between a Liberal Arts degree and a Teaching degree, in fact they are almost the same exact curriculum.

One of the easiest degrees there is to get.
Maybe that solves the puzzle to why the teachers/instructors are all Liberal Lefties who have an agenda to brainwash the youth to become Commies too.

Trump having conservative values gives them gas by steam rolling their Political Correctness.
That is why Poland cheered him the way they did.
The Left can't stand to see Trump try to ease the sanctions on Russia and get along with Putin.
And you can bet if Crooked Hillary could have broken the laws just a tid bit more and became president that we would be at war with Russia by now to pay back the Military Complexes that donated millions to her campaign.
Lyzko 45 | 9,420
12 Jul 2017 #406
Johnny, I can sure as heck tell ya who Trump voters ain't! They're the aging, greying pony-tail sportin' "Easy Riders" on their hogs in shades, criss-crossin' their own territory, the Duck Robertson's of this country, erstwhile '60's idealists, long soured on "liberalism" and the truest embodiment of Jane & Joe Sixpack! They are NOT by and large button-down Wall St. types in their neatly pressed suits, old school ties and the image of convention itself.

Trump supporters are every school-yard bully never given their "fair" shot at being as viciously, Darwinistically Unfair as they can be. The ones who now see an untrammeled path toward slash and burn, plunder and run, divide and conquer.

Sound familiar? It should:-)
cms 9 | 1,255
12 Jul 2017 #407
I am not sure you STEM hotshots understand but Liberal Arts does not mean "full of liberals" - this term is related to the methods they use to teach in small class sizes and the fact that they are supposed to give a broad education. Some of the worlds top scientific institutions like Harvey Mudd are Liberal Arts Colleges. So yes I would generally describe those people as better educated than plumbers - not necessarily richer or more useful when your pipes are frozen.

Of course the less educated are more likely to feel left behind. But they are also more likely to see the world in simple terms, to not think through the consequences of simplistic solutions (like imposing tariffs) and are more susceptible to misinformation and conspiracies. Obama could have done more for them but his one signature achievement - to give a safety net to millions of the poorest Americans - is one that Trump wants to undo. In fact I heard that many Trump voters do not know that Obamacare and the ACA are the same thing.

As for judging morality by church going - then of course you can conduct a scientific experiment and prove this hypothesis. I go about twice a month, my wife rarely goes due to apathy, my brother never goes as he hates the church - but I think we have pretty much the same morals.

I read Trump's book and in 300 odd pages of talking about renovating ice rinks and the decor in Trump Tower I do not remember a single reference to him attending church. How does he live his life now ? A serial womanizer, vile bragging, abuse of the weak and those too dignified to answer back. Yet he has the nerve to lecture us about family values and the arrogance to defend Western Civilization when he has embodied ones of its worst traits - realisty TV.
OP johnny reb 49 | 7,098
12 Jul 2017 #408
I can sure as heck tell ya who Trump voters ain't!

Well it is obvious that those that didn't vote for Trump are Commies that can't stay on topic no matter how many times they are told to and constantly go off on pointless and endless merry go rounds of hate thinking it will help soothe their emotional meltdown about thinking Crooked Hillary actually won the election.

Sound familiar ? It should. :-)
Now please, quit crying and get back on topic.
nothanks - | 633
12 Jul 2017 #409
cms,

- I understand the role of American colleges wanting to act as some sort of home away from home: 18-20 year olds "self discovery" and thus they want to "mold" a well rounded human and that goes beyond just math, athletics, or even art. I.E. philosophy and critical thinking. I personally enjoyed those courses but when I recently looked at the course catalog at the local university and community college, it has gone a little too far. I noticed significant amount of this under the Communications field. An entire 5 month course about race relations and law enforcement in America?

- Unemployment is at a 10-year low. Are some of these jobs sustainable or did Trump just give a lifeline to dying industries? Americans definitely live in the moment - many Americans spend their entire paycheck on common needs. These people are one accident from possibly ending up on the street. The increased use of internet has closed the gap between the college educated and "the simple folks". And considering how far American media news has declined, I think the gap is overstated. The health care change probably won't be better or worse just different. I still think most Americans want two simple aspects to health care 1)you can choose your doctor 2)Aren't forced to enroll

- Haha your shots at Trump's behavior aren't even that bad. He has been married for over a decade I believe. His level headed children are a testament to his parenting and a reflection on his character.
Lyzko 45 | 9,420
12 Jul 2017 #410
So anyone who disagrees with you is a "commie"? Welcome back, Archie Bunker! We've missed ya:-)
OP johnny reb 49 | 7,098
12 Jul 2017 #411
All Democrats are Commies, you just can't comprehend the big picture.........yet.
Now will you please get back on topic.
Lyzko 45 | 9,420
12 Jul 2017 #412
False! I'm a democrat and am neither a communist or a socialist!
Crow 155 | 9,025
23 Mar 2018 #413
Best possible news for Poles who desire free Christian and Slavic Poland. New commander to Polish troops on Kosovo is American Serbian >>>>>>

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Nick Ducic is the new commander of Bondsteel base and commander of the multinational brigade KFOR East on Kosovo

Trump seams to recognized western European Nazi collaboration with extreme Wahhabi elements of Islamic league and worldwide narco-mafia. Not to speak of elements from former USA administrations being involved in the project, with whom Trump had and have to deal.

Trump`s last moves on Balkan proving revival of USA-Serbian alliance. Historically proved, winning option for peace in the region and for balance of interests of world powers here.

Rex Tillerson was removed. Last Clinton`s clan man close to Trump. Then, US army named Nick Ducic as the new commander of Bondsteel US base and the new commander of the multinational brigade KFOR East on Kosovo. Ducic is US citizen and army man of Serbian origin, with family originating from known Serbian patriotic circles. Plus, as we gets fresh news, John Bolton is appointed as new US national security adviser. To remind you, Bolton, as former US ambassador to the UN, spoke against his country's recognition of Kosovo.

See, Sarmatians will remain Guardians of the Gate. And will be peace.

Western Europe just got itself serious problem. And I for sure expect US to arrest Bill Clinton & Co. for all crimes in the region.
Slavictor 6 | 193
23 Mar 2018 #414
A favourite artistic depiction of the way it is. Understanding these things is crucial to understanding what the USA does and why.

mondoweiss.net/2015/03/netanyahus-consisted-standing/



Crow 155 | 9,025
23 Mar 2018 #415
Dobri brate Slavictore, but pan Netanyahu shows respect to Slavic antiquity and he publicly speaks of Slavs as of natives of Europe. Elaborate your link please.
Joker 3 | 2,326
23 Mar 2018 #416
Western Europe just got itself serious problem. And I for sure expect US to arrest Bill Clinton & Co. for all crimes in the region.

Maybe we will get lucky and they will introduce the "his and hers" jail cell...lol

False! I'm a democrat and am neither a communist or a socialist!

You're the last of a dying breed Lyzko. I used to be a Democrats as well, before they became extreme commie left. I view Obama as the worst President in our nations history now. Thank Goodness, Hillary didn't win:):):):)
Crow 155 | 9,025
23 Mar 2018 #417
Maybe we will get lucky and they will introduce the "his and hers" jail cell...lol

Eh, she will save herself from jail over madness. She will easily prove to be crazy as Tesla`s electricity.
Tacitus 2 | 1,382
23 Mar 2018 #418
. I view Obama as the worst President in our nations history now.

I hope you are kidding here. Bush Jr. easily beats him in his century alone. Nothing Obama did comes close to the two catastrophic wars Bush unleashed in his tenure which aftereffects we still feel now.
jon357 74 | 22,054
23 Mar 2018 #419
Obama

History will remember him very well.

The orange wh0remonger of mar del lago - he's already their worst in history. He will remain so for centuries hopefully; the only way one could be worse is by pressing the red button.



jon357 74 | 22,054
23 Mar 2018 #420
This will be his epitaph




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