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Monthly Smolensk Commemorations in Poland!


delphiandomine 83 | 17,653
10 Dec 2015  #1
Merged: TVP journalist attacked at monthly Smolensk march

To sum up - a TVP journalist was reporting on the monthly Smolensk marches when some bitter and twisted individuals started attacking him without any reason whatsoever. This certainly sums up the attitude by government supporters, where they're willing to indulge in violence towards anyone that they don't approve of. It certainly reminds one of the attitude in Russia towards independent journalists, where violence is common towards anyone that doesn't present the approved Government point of view.

tvp.info/23069748/reporter-tvp-info-poturbowany-podczas-miesiecznicy-smolenskiej

Notice how the usual suspects have very little to say about the violence here towards a credentialed reporter.
gregy741 4 | 1,204
11 Dec 2015  #2
TVP journalist attacked at monthly Smolensk march

here is video of this "brutal attack": youtube.com/watch?v=Spa5CBzB_4I
delp trying equal this to murdering of PIS official committed by PO supporter.
OP smurf 39 | 1,981
11 Dec 2015  #3
So then, what should we do as Poles, citizens of Poland and foreigners to commemorate this dreadful event every month?

Personally I think that marches are not enough. I think full military parades, the whole feckin hog baby. The army, the navy, the secret service, the mountain rescue teams, cops, straz, and puppies in military clothes. Parades like this every month. Priests and alter boys too, you can never have enough priests. Nuns can feck off though, nuns are feckin weird.

Maybe also we should crash a new plane every month and every month we'll draw lots in the Sejm and whoever gets the shortest one will have to pilot the plane. But y'know to be nice, Chairman Jarek should be first.

Oh we need the mohair berets involved too......hmmm.....let me see, maybe they can help with dual roles, firstly they could stand around stinking of wee wee and singing mad songs and they could also organise bake sales, y'know, if we're gonna crash a plane every month we've gonna need dinero and through the sale of their lovely cakes and buns Poland will easily be able to afford it.

What suggestions my good friends and frenemies of Polish forums, how can we help PiS in their propaganda war?
delphiandomine 83 | 17,653
11 Dec 2015  #4
What suggestions my good friends and frenemies of Polish forums, how can we help PiS in their propaganda war?

You know how Ireland has the Angelus at 6.00? Well, every morning at 8.41, we could play patriotic clips and the national anthem along with pictures of Lech Kaczyński, and make it obligatory viewing in classrooms, in prisons and other places. Most classrooms have TV's, so this shouldn't be a problem!
OP smurf 39 | 1,981
11 Dec 2015  #5
Well, every morning at 8.41, we could play patriotic clips and the national anthem along with pictures of Lech Kaczyński, and make it obligatory viewing in classrooms, in prisons and other places.

Excellent Delph, the ball is rolling now........

I left out the mountain people, we need those guys & girls in their awesome outfits. Maybe get some fiddles going and some dancing too....but sombre stuff y'know. Fun will not be tolerated.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,653
11 Dec 2015  #6
I left out the mountain people, we need those guys & girls in their awesome outfits.

Nah, they're not allowed, they've got separatist tendencies and the Dear Leader Chairman Kaczyński will not tolerate that. And they speak funny, so we definitely can't have that.

I reckon though, we need masks. Lots of masks. Everyone should have to wear one (a Lech one) on the 10th of each month until Justice Has Been Done. Lech beer also cannot be sold on the 10th of each month to avoid any sort of jokes.

What about putting some of the opposition supporters in a big cage outside the Presidential Palace and abusing them, like with the Romans and the people they fed to lions? There's that "Two Minutes Hate" in 1984, so this could be the PiS version..whaddya think?
Atch 17 | 2,866
11 Dec 2015  #7
You know how Ireland has the Angelus at 6.00?

And midday too Delph. How well I remember in school, the intercom crackled into life and we were all on our feet in an instant with deafening scraping of chairs and tables. It also involved genuflecting, thirty five of us in limited space. Ah happy days.......

I must say monthly commemorations sounds a bit over the top. Are they actually proposing that? Surely some low key annual event such as a commemorative mass (attendance optional) in each major town's cathedral would be sufficient.

Sorry I've just realised they already do some monthly thing. Are they suggesting some extras?
OP smurf 39 | 1,981
11 Dec 2015  #8
I must say monthly commemorations sounds a bit over the top. Are they actually proposing that?

It's not proposed, it's happening! What times we live in! What times!

they've got separatist tendencies

Maybe it'll bring them together. I can have a word with the Ruch Silesia. Surely they'll change their want-away minds if they get a free trip to the nation's capital and gaze upon the wonders Warsaw has to offer? Maybe I'm bring too optimistic and I'm getting caught up in a whirlwind of emotion here!

I need to sit down and get a strong drink.
Lech beer will make a killing though, their profits will fly into the sky. We mustn't let them crash.

Not Off Topic, it's very much on topic.

Censorship or what eh?
thenews.pl/1/9/Artykul/232446,PiS-leader-monument-will-commemorate-Smolensk-crash
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
11 Dec 2015  #9
Merged: At long last - a Smolensk memorial outside Presidential Palace

A memorial to the late Preisdent Lech Kaczyński and 95 other Poles who died in the 2010 air disaster in Smolensk, Russia will be built in front fo Warsaw's Presidential Palace. Such plans had been hotly opposed by the former government led by the Civic Platform party which had wanted it erecetd in some out-of-the-way corner. "There will be a monument dedicated to those who died in the crash, it will be a monument to President Lech Kaczyński," Kacvzyński's twin brother and former prime minister 'Jarosław announced at a memorial gathering at the site. "Such was the will of (the current Polish president (Andrzej Duda)," he added.
Borsukrates
11 Dec 2015  #10
TVP journalist attacked at monthly Smolensk march

"Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious." - Oscar Wilde

Listeners of Radio Maryja behave the same, and now PiS government treats it like a credible Catholic radio station. Hint: it doesn't promote catholic values.
Roger5 1 | 1,458
11 Dec 2015  #11
A monument to those who died I can understand, but a monument to that embarrassing lousy president? The will of the president is right, but who is the president?
jon357 63 | 14,124
11 Dec 2015  #12
Lousy, undoubtedly yes, but as a president who died in office some sort of monument is to be expected. A monthly thing is just bizarre and what they actually want is a regular public gathering of their hardcore supporters.

What's also to be expected is that the moherowe berety will be having rallies in front of it. Nothing that Jaro/Macierewicz do is straightforward - they know they won't be in office for long and are using the Smolensk crash now so they've got something to use later.
Borsukrates
11 Dec 2015  #13
Lousy, undoubtedly yes, but as a president who died in office some sort of monument is to be expected

Do you know what's the most impressive title in Poland ?

Is it mgr ?
inż. ?
Is it dr ?
Maybe prof. ?
Then surely it must be ks. !
Nope! Not even ks. !! It's ś.p. - świętej pamięci (R.I.P.)

It ****** me off to no end that Poland worships losers so much. For every monument to a successful person, a man or woman who accomplished amazing things - there's ten to those who died violently. The result is that Poles are not taught what it takes to win, and not taught self preservation. The most praised wars and heroes should be those which succeeded. Currently it's the opposite.

A plaque or memorial to Lech Kaczyński and those that died in the crash is one thing. Burying Lech Kaczyński at Wawel Castle is outrageous. Wawel is the castle of Polish kings, and people who made Poland great. No matter how you slice it you can't say Lech Kaczyński made Poland great. Kazimierz Wielki (Casimir the Great) had flaws - for example he was a cynical womanizer. But he had tons of accomplishments. Mickiewicz cheated on his wife, driving her insane - but he was a great poet.

We know the flaws of Lech Kaczyński. What are his great accomplishments ?
jon357 63 | 14,124
11 Dec 2015  #14
None, absolutely none at all. Just chaos and a deterioration in public life.
mafketis 20 | 7,253
11 Dec 2015  #15
It ****** me off to no end that Poland worships losers so much

Most European patriotism is built around failure (massacres, failed uprisings, fallen heroes who made terrible mistakes etc etc etc).

What are his great accomplishments ?

He gave his brother an insurmountable guilt complex for planning the whole mess in the first place?

Endangering the Republic by having all the heads of military on one plane? (seriously that was a serious breach of basic security, the military survived but there's no excuse for such terrible sloppy planning).
Borsukrates 5 | 131
19 Dec 2015  #16
"Lech Kaczyński successfully worked for principal position of Poland. He actively participated in solving social conflicts. He served the country well." - senate

Apparently burying Lech Kaczyński at Wawel Castle wasn't enough. In new resolution, the senate is celebrating the 10th anniversary of his swearing-in.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
19 Dec 2015  #17
the senate is celebrating

Now you have set yourself up as someone authorised to decide what the Senate may and may not celebrate. Who the hell do you think you are?
jon357 63 | 14,124
19 Dec 2015  #18
Apparently burying Lech Kaczyński at Wawel Castle wasn't enoug

It's quite morbid really - and holding a parade with military etc every month - unbelievable.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,653
20 Dec 2015  #19
What's the difference between marching around with pictures of Lenin and marching around with pictures of Lech?

Seems to me as if PiS are using exactly the same tactics as the Communists used.
Borsukrates 5 | 131
20 Dec 2015  #20
Who the hell do you think you are?

I live in Poland and have always paid taxes. Sejm and Senat are supposed to represent people like me. I pay their wages. I think they're wasting time and money celebrating a mediocre president. There are much more important things to take care of.

They're trying to start a personality cult.
NocyMrok
20 Dec 2015  #21
What's the difference between marching around with pictures of Lenin

Kaczyński didn't commit a genocide? I'm against monthly parades though. Not a single casualty of that tragic event was anywhere close to becoming a National Hero and shouldn't be honoured as one.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
20 Dec 2015  #22
What's the difference

What's the difference betwee pulling people into he streets and handing them "Students to their studies" and "Zionists to Israel" placards (1968) and doing the same thing with pro-Kod and anti-PiS placards (2015). Both are rabble-rousing circuses serving the selfish goals of one poltical camp.
Dougpol1 30 | 3,047
10 Mar 2016  #23
Merged: Smolensk - The movie!

Now, a couple of days ago I saw the cinema trailer for this epic..... aka Smolensk.

I have just returned from the village quack, after an operation to have my lips sewn together.........

For I intend to go and see this show , and it was suggested to me that bursting out laughing at the development of the premise of the film would be inappropriate given the circumstances.

Thus the undertaking to keep said lips buttoned together.

Having said that, the nation needs to brace itself for the next round of public incredulity at the latest bout of Polish self-loathing. Likely to be seen as disgusting stuff, and totally disrespectful to the victims (though I will sit through it and weigh up the facts portrayed, just as Mary Whitehouse failed to so do with "Deep Throat")

Any others suckers going to throw their hard-earned at another of Krause's "masterpieces of cinema"?
mafketis 20 | 7,253
13 Jun 2016  #24
Merged: Poznan 1956 commemoration to include ...... Smolensk???

With Macierewicz the crazy never stops, the ministry of defense has made reading the list of Smolensk victims a pre-condition of participation of the 60 year anniversary of the Poznan uprising - the first grass roots rebellion against communism.

codziennypoznan.pl/artykul/2016-06-09/poznanski-czerwiec-z-przepychankami-i-katastrofa-smolenska-w-tle-jaskowiak-pisze-do-macierewicza

But when you vote for crazy, don't be surprised if you get lots and lots of crazy.

ps imho Macierewicz is crazy, mentally ill, unfit for public office and an active menace to the defense of the country
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
13 Jun 2016  #25
reading the list of Smolensk victims

So you believe Smolensk victims should not be commemorated?
mafketis 20 | 7,253
13 Jun 2016  #26
They should be commemorated within reason at the appropriate times and places.

I perceive no reason to do so at a commemoration of a completely unrelated event. What does Poznan 56 have to do with Smolensk?

Would you want the victims of the Kielce progrom commemorated at an event devoted to the Warsaw uprising?
Ziemowit 12 | 3,510
13 Jun 2016  #27
he ministry of defense has made reading the list of Smolensk victims a pre-condition of participation of the 60 year anniversary of the Poznan uprising

Well, if he did that really, he must certainly have some mental issues, I can see no other reason for that. Beata Szydło promised in her electoral campaign that Macierewicz wouldn't be taken to her government as a minister. That promise wasn't kept, however ...
jon357 63 | 14,124
13 Jun 2016  #28
With Macierewicz the crazy never stops

He's the gift that keeps on giving!

Beata Szydło promised in her electoral campaign that Macierewicz wouldn't be taken to her government as a minister. That promise wasn't kept, however ...

So many of their promises were immediately broken.

ps imho Macierewicz is crazy, mentally ill, unfit for public office and an active menace to the defense of the country

Many people say this. Have you read his latest gem about giving machine guns to anyone who wants one?

Smolensk

They will try to work this into anything.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
13 Jun 2016  #29
Smolensk?

Smolensk was the greatest civilian air tragedy since WW2, claiming the lives of senior government and military officials including Poland's First Couple.
jon357 63 | 14,124
13 Jun 2016  #30
Smolensk was the greatest civilian air tragedy since WW2

No it wasn't - there have been many much bigger air accidents, including a couple in Poland.

claiming the lives of senior government and military officials including Poland's First Couple.

In Poznan?

There is no reason to link that accident in Smolensk to the Poznan commemoration.


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