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Independence Blood Bath on Polish roads over the long weekend.


Maybe 12 | 409
15 Nov 2010 #31
They clean 'em quick. I 'm sure you notice the candles and flowers by the side of the road.
On the stretch running out of town there are three which I pass daily, tragic and infuriating.
convex 20 | 3,978
15 Nov 2010 #32
you wrote "By 1,880 drunk drivers", as if those people were killed and injured by drunk drivers... which the article didn't say...

They clean 'em quick. I 'm sure you notice the candles and flowers by the side of the road.
On the stretch running out of town there are three which I pass daily, tragic and infuriating.

Exactly, it doesn't need to be sensationalized, it's already bad enough.
nott 3 | 594
15 Nov 2010 #33
After drinking, the brain works inefficiently, (...)

Except that small amounts of alcohol can actually increase both your sensory processing and reaction time. This is not widely propagated, as it is a dangerous information and goes against the general policy.

Yet I am not arguing that, I am for a reasonable legislation strictly enforced, which is not the case in Poland.

've got news for you, the state of the poorly maintaned roads should only slow drivers down.

And it does, after you end up against a tree. You don't know what you're talking about. On a bright summer day I was driving to work as usual, not speeding, and I skidded on a safe bend, because some idiot spilled sand on the tarmac and nobody cared to sweep it off. I just managed to turn the wheels sideways, so I didn't jump over the kerb onto the bus stop full of people. I called them maintenance pricks, yet the sand was still there until heavy rain two days later.

On a 'clear black road' I saw the traffic light some 150 meters ahead, so I slowed down, not being sure if I will get the proper timing. Only the car didn't listen, I slid through on the red, because this particular stretch of the whole 400km was covered with thin ice. Now tell me I should've driven this distance at 20km per hour.

Would you like to argue that alchohol wasn't a factor in the 130% increase in deaths from the previous year?

Would you like to argue that Poles suddenly drank 130% more vodka than the previous year?
Maybe 12 | 409
15 Nov 2010 #34
Except that small amounts of alcohol can actually increase both your sensory processing and reaction time. This is not widely propagated, as it is a dangerous information and goes against the general policy.

A bit like Crack cocaine. Which you are clearly smoking.
dtaylor5632 18 | 2,007
15 Nov 2010 #35
I think we all know now nott is a drink driver. Wonder what his excuse is....?
Maybe 12 | 409
15 Nov 2010 #36
...he is Polish.
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
15 Nov 2010 #37
I've never seen any corpses on the road here

I saw one poor soul.

Ever notice the crosses on the side of the road?
Maybe 12 | 409
16 Nov 2010 #38
Ever notice the crosses on the side of the road?

I 'm sure you notice the candles and flowers by the side of the road.

yup
convex 20 | 3,978
16 Nov 2010 #39
Ever notice the crosses on the side of the road?

Of course, and the candles. I noticed the same thing in Bayern...

I think we all know now nott is a drink driver. Wonder what his excuse is....?

Maybe he just drinks to the German limit...which is a lot higher than the Polish limit, but yet produces a lot less accidents.....
dtaylor5632 18 | 2,007
16 Nov 2010 #40
3 in the last summer i was in Krakow, one was a homeless man pulling his cart crossing the road. The driver who was typical skinhead got out and yelled at him, then of course just drove off. The third one was a girl who was hit when trying to cross where there were traffic lights. Car came too fast round the corner and ignored the lights.

Maybe he just drinks to the German limit...which is a lot higher than the Polish limit, but yet produces a lot less accidents.....

Doesn't matter, anyone who drinks and drives should be on a one way ticket to prison.
nott 3 | 594
16 Nov 2010 #41
A bit like Crack cocaine. Which you are clearly smoking.

Make some research before making a clown of yourself. Not that I insist.

I think we all know now nott is a drink driver. Wonder what his excuse is....?

Well, I don't drive. I am not sure this is good enough excuse to you.

You should report me, you know? And I am for private gun ownership, so you can tell them I carry illegal gun as well. Two, actually, why restrict yourself so severely.
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
16 Nov 2010 #42
Let's compare:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-related_death_rate

per year 100,000 inhabitants....... per 100,000............per 1 billion

Ireland 7.8 ..................................11........................5.7
Poland 14.7.................................28 ......................23.5
convex 20 | 3,978
16 Nov 2010 #43
Let's compare:
List of countries by traffic-related death rate

Bizarre, Germany has one of the lowest rates, but yet, some of the most liberal blood alcohol level laws....

P.S.....and the Autobahn....
nott 3 | 594
16 Nov 2010 #44
Ireland 7.8 ..................................11........................5.7
Poland 14.7.................................28 ......................23.5

Poland's legal limit 0.2g/l
Ireland's legal limit 0.8 g/l

Conclusions?
Maybe 12 | 409
16 Nov 2010 #45
Germany has one of the lowest rates, but yet, some of the most liberal blood alcohol level laws

They are clinical sensible and law abiding. They like life strict. As Francis Fanon discussed when he talked about the Other. A good analogy would be the film Twins, with Danny Devito And Arnold Schwarzenegger.
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
16 Nov 2010 #46
Poland's legal limit 0.2g/l
Ireland's legal limit 0.8 g/l

Conclusions?

That tiny amounts of alcohol is not a huge factor?
dtaylor5632 18 | 2,007
16 Nov 2010 #47
Bizarre, Germany has one of the lowest rates, but yet, some of the most liberal blood alcohol level laws....

Conclusions?

Exactly, the legal limits have absolutely nothing to do with the level of drink drivers. It's the societies ability to recognise what is wrong or right with it's responsibilities. Therefore Germany can have a higher legal limit because it's societies views on drink driving are far more responsible.
nott 3 | 594
16 Nov 2010 #48
Ireland 7.8 .... 11 .... 5.7
Poland 14.7 .... 28 .... 23.5

Estonia 15.2 .... 38.9 ... 17.5
Romania 12.7 ... 71.1 ...39.8
Slovakia 15.1 ... 43.9 ... 21.5

the three last countries have zero tolerance for drunk driving

Conclusions?
dtaylor5632 18 | 2,007
16 Nov 2010 #49
Conclusions?

That those countries societies as well as Poland are still backward on there views on drink driving. Do you honestly feel by raising the legal limit it will change the amount of idiots causing injuries and deaths by drink driving.

If they are stupid enough to do it at the moment, they sure as hell wouldn't change there opinion if the level was raised.

Poland as a society hasn't shown enough responsibility to have higher legal limits.

Conclusions?

You talk a lot of sh1te...
Maybe 12 | 409
16 Nov 2010 #50
Make some research before making a clown of yourself.

Except that small amounts of alcohol can actually increase both your sensory processing and reaction time.

nott 3 | 594
16 Nov 2010 #51
It's the societies ability to recognise what is wrong or right with it's responsibilities. Therefore Germany

Therefore a Pole who is driving with 0.4 g/l is considered a drunk driver, while a German is not. Simplistic comparisons are misleading.
dtaylor5632 18 | 2,007
16 Nov 2010 #52
Maybe

Next he (nott) will be telling us that if he ever needs a heart operation, that he will request the surgeon to have a half few before the op ;):D

Therefore a Pole who is driving with 0.4 g/l is considered a drunk driver

Yes. Because it's the law and the country has a bad history of drink drivers causing accidents.
nott 3 | 594
16 Nov 2010 #53
nott:Conclusions?

You talk a lot of sh1te...

Too much for you to read the whole sentence, obviously.


You don't listen to good advices, do you...
Maybe 12 | 409
16 Nov 2010 #54
You don't listen to good advices, do you...

Clearly not I moved to Poland.
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
16 Nov 2010 #55
I moved to Poland.

But for who's sins?
Isn't that double jeopardy if we are both here?
OP hairball 20 | 313
16 Nov 2010 #56
Except that small amounts of alcohol can actually increase both your sensory processing and reaction time.

Care to provide a credible link (as I did) to back up this wild claim? I won't hold my breath.

You don't know what you're talking about.

Well, actually sun shine, as a professional driver with 26 years experience, I'm afraid I do know what I'm talking about.

and I skidded on a safe bend

I good driver would have 'read the road', taken into account the crowd of people at the bus stop, and slowed BEFORE the bend, and therefore not skidded. Besides, there is no such thing as a 'safe bend'. In Britain, where the standard of instruction is much higher, a bend is considered a hazard and you learn to adjust your speed before you reach it.

because some idiot spilled sand on the tarmac and nobody cared to sweep it off.

yet the sand was still there until heavy rain two days later

Do I need to point out the obvious to you? I suppose I had better. You claim you skidded on sand and almost had an accident where you could have ploughed into a crowded bus stop, and that this sand was on the road for two days until rain washed it away. Your only course of action was 'to call those maintenance pricks'. It never occurred to you to clear the sand yourself? I mean you felt so strongly about the situation that you felt the need to report it, yet you did sweet FA over the next few days to prevent any further risk of accidents. Strange that! I wonder if I'm the only one who smells the Bull Sh1t here? Further more, I reckon that on a busy road like that, next to such a crowded bus stop, the volume of traffic would have cleared most of that sand away in two days.

On a 'clear black road' I saw the traffic light some 150 meters ahead, so I slowed down, not being sure if I will get the proper timing. Only the car didn't listen, I slid through on the red, because this particular stretch of the whole 400km was covered with thin ice. Now tell me I should've driven this distance at 20km per hour.

You seem to be drifting away from the point here. We are currently experiencing one of the warmest Novembers on record. It's just after 00.30 and the temperature is +9c. Black ice wasn't a factor in the 90 deaths over the weekend, alcohol was.

As for your comment, if the temperature was 0 or below, as a driver you should be aware of the risk of black ice and you should adjust your driving accordingly. But I guess that's a little beyond your ability.
nott 3 | 594
16 Nov 2010 #57
Next he (nott) will be telling us that if he ever needs a heart operation, that he will request the surgeon to have a half few before the op ;):D

Actually I knew a surgeon who benefited from a shot before the operation... He took 50 to 100g, depending on the day.

That's anecdotal, but if you have no other arguments, Taylor...
Maybe 12 | 409
16 Nov 2010 #58
Isn't that double jeopardy if we are both here?

No, that's just bad luck old boy.
Double jeopardy is where you can't be tried twice and i haven't been tried once.
OP hairball 20 | 313
16 Nov 2010 #59
I was driving to work as usual

I saw the traffic light some 150 meters ahead, so I slowed down

I wonder if I'm the only one who smells the Bull Sh1t here

Well Well Well

Well, I don't drive.

So it was BS after all?
dtaylor5632 18 | 2,007
16 Nov 2010 #60
So it was BS after all?

He is full of BS, likes to throw his toys out of the pram when anyone points out the obviously bad side of Poland.

Actually I knew a surgeon who benefited from a shot before the operation... He took 50 to 100g, depending on the day.

Sure you did.....sure :D Did he ride on the back of a great big pink elephant?


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