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Grafitti plague in Warsaw


sobieski 107 | 2,128
9 May 2011 #1
zw.com.pl/artykul/596209_Swieza-sciana-i-juz-bazgrol.html

Interesting article in ZW this morning. There is really a lot of graffiti in the city, practically every building is sprayed. I do not understand what drives the imbeciles who do that. For example the newly renovated platforms at Dworzec Gdański were sprayed within a few days They should put them with their head in a can of paint and parade them on an oxcart through the city. Each time I go home to my native Antwerp I really see the contrast. Warsaw is literally sprayed over.

One thing is curious though - I cannot remember any church wall with graffiti - I wonder why...
Maaarysia
9 May 2011 #2
I heard cases when actually graffiti makers were caught... and guess what the cases against them were withdraw due to little harmness of an act! No wonder that whole Poland is scribbled with graffiti!
pawian 170 | 11,348
9 May 2011 #3
Each time I go home to my native Antwerp I really see the contrast. Warsaw is literally sprayed over.

Yes, it is a big problem. Practically, only buildings in well lit streets and under camera surveillance are safe.

I can undertsand they do it in such areas:

But why here?:
chichimera 1 | 186
9 May 2011 #4
People, don't you have other problems? I don't mind graffiti at all, I like it. Some of it is rubbish but on the whole it makes the sad concrete world more colourful









poland_
9 May 2011 #5
For example the newly renovated platforms at Dworzec Gdański were sprayed within a few days

Come on Sobieski, you are 3-4 minute walk away from Polonia Football ground, what do you expect?
mafketis 23 | 8,401
9 May 2011 #6
I don't mind graffiti at all,

What part of 'vandalism' don't you understand? The pictures you posted are mostly likely made with the owner's consent and not grafitti at all (which by definition is defacement of property that does not belong to the person doing it).

Just how does grafitti improve this sign?

Grafitti vandalism reduces property values (which will be a concern to you if you ever own anything) and weakens social trust (vital for advanced civilizations to function).
chichimera 1 | 186
9 May 2011 #7
The pictures you posted are mostly likely made with the owner's consent and not grafitti at all (which by definition is defacement of property that does not belong to the person doing it).

Graffiti (singular: graffito; the plural is used as a mass noun) is the name for images or lettering scratched, scrawled, painted or marked in any manner on property. Graffiti is any type of public markings that may appear in the forms of simple written words to elaborate wall paintings. Graffiti has existed since ancient times, with examples dating back to Ancient Greece and the Roman Empire

For more look up en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graffiti

Well, I don't support the idea of orderly, machine-like, sterile world. I like the defiance that graffiti shows.
gumishu 11 | 5,190
9 May 2011 #8
what is machine like in say £azienki - and how will it look like sprayed all over???

'czyste miasto = martwe miasto' - oh well then Neapol was once alive to the fullest
youtube.com/watch?v=NWuO-aI6GCs
mafketis 23 | 8,401
9 May 2011 #9
That definition is inadequate since it makes any kind of public sign grafitti

If you like defiance, then maybe you'll like this charming bit of grafitti on a catholic church.
JonnyM 11 | 2,621
9 May 2011 #10
this charming bit of grafitti on a catholic church

I noticed that when the grafitti vandals 'tagged' the cemetary wall in Pludy, near Tarchomin, they had the manners to write 'przepraszam' underneath.

People, don't you have other problems? I don't mind graffiti at all, I like it. Some of it is rubbish but on the whole it makes the sad concrete world more colourful

Those photos you posted are 'good' grafitti. Unfortunately that accounts for far less than one percent of grafitti round Warsaw. Almost all of it is mindless scrawling by teenagers and football slogans. Even on newly painted residential buildings.
OP sobieski 107 | 2,128
9 May 2011 #11
Grafitti degrades a city. It also gives a feeling (and promotes) of unsafety. It is a blatant disregard for other people's property. And railcars and other public spaces are also (our) property. It is done by pondlife which respects nothing.

In my neighbourhood they not only sprayed the walls of a nice Italian restaurent but also scratched their tags into every window.
That is a blatant crime - their tags should be burned on their foreheads.
Still the question - why do these criminals do not spray church walls?
mafketis 23 | 8,401
9 May 2011 #12
Still the question - why do these criminals do not spray church walls?

They do, just rarely. But the fara church in Poznan was hit a few years ago.

Generally, Polish people, no matter how 'unreligious' they are still respect church property, they just don't care about other people's or the public's property.
Des Essientes 7 | 1,291
9 May 2011 #13
Grafitti degrades a city. It also gives a feeling (and promotes) of unsafety.

Spoken like a petite bourgeois. You need to change your name Sobieski. Your little shopkeeper's fears degrade a noble name.

Well, I don't support the idea of orderly, machine-like, sterile world. I like the defiance that graffiti shows.

Hear hear! Let art prevail by any means necessary!
Wroclaw 44 | 5,387
9 May 2011 #14
There is really a lot of grafitti in the city, practically every building is sprayed.

some parts of wroclaw have a similar problem.

but it is not grafitti as such. just mindless tagging.

if something is not done to stop it visitors will have a dim view come euro 2012

also, wroclaw is going for 'city of culture' in 2016. the city should look a right dump by then.
convex 20 | 3,978
9 May 2011 #15
Hear hear! Let art prevail by any means necessary!

Tagging is about as artistic as dogs leaving masterpieces on the sidewalks.
JonnyM 11 | 2,621
9 May 2011 #16
little shopkeeper's fears

"Little shopkeepers" are the guys who have to pay for the walls to be repainted or otherwise have their already banal lives blighted further by omnipresent and very depressing signs of urban decay.

Wake up to the reality of walking home from an underpaid job every wintry day through a bleak housing estate in Stalowa Wola, Sieradz or Tluszcz to your only home that has 'KURWA', 'HWDP', 'HOOLS' and '£KS ZYDZI' sprayed in foot high letters right outside your only window on the wall that you struggle to pay the fundusz remontowy to have repainted every 25 years.

Move out of your sophomoric (at best) teenage fantasy and show some respect.
OP sobieski 107 | 2,128
9 May 2011 #17
Spoken like a petite bourgeois. You need to change your name Sobieski. Your little shopkeeper's fears degrade a noble name.

Tell this to my neighbour who has every window of his restaurant scratched by a hooded criminal. Tell this to all the worthy people whi see their homes degraded by these criminals. Shopkeeper's fears? What about common decency?
Maaarysia
9 May 2011 #18
Move out of your sophomoric (at best) teenage fantasy and show some respect.

Tell him what does it mean "Żydzi" for Polish hools... he will change his mind about graffiti immediately ;)

Let art prevail by any means necessary!

This is not art. I see rarely arty graffities.
pawian 170 | 11,348
9 May 2011 #19
This is not art. I see rarely arty graffities.

Come to Krakow:
chichimera 1 | 186
9 May 2011 #20
I rarely see movies that one could call art. It's just rubbish littering people's minds. And can be more harmful than HWDP on the wall. Shall we make cinematography illegal? Actually I'd be happy to see some of the film makers made accountable.

sobieski: Life isn't safe. From the moment we're born we've been in danger. Every living thing on Earth is. We imagined that there is a state of being perfectly safe. If graffiti calls you back to reality, maybe it does a better job than religions.
Maaarysia
9 May 2011 #21
Come to Krakow:

Those graffities are ordered graffities. Once I've made one myself for my school. It's completely different thing. What I meant is that the illegal graffities are rarely artistic.

I rarely see movies that one could call art. It's just rubbish littering people's minds. And can be more harmful than HWDP on the wall. Shall we make cinematography illegal? Actually I'd be happy to see some of the film makers made accountable.

Do movie makers destroy somebody's property? No.

As it goes for street art I like wlepki but wlepki are indeed an art!
pawian 170 | 11,348
9 May 2011 #22
Those graffities are ordered graffities.

Yes, I think so.
Maaarysia
9 May 2011 #23
This one?

Probably made for some graffiti festival but who knows, maybe...
Most of the illegals are simple tags (a signature of the graffiti painter) and that's not art! I like graffitis which shows something more than letters. I've seen few illegals in a style of comic book creatures and I like it. But it's maybe 5% of the graffitis in general. Most are simple scribbles or ugly black and white bulky tags.

Oh and I like stencil graffiti. Banksy works are very smart and aesthetic.
pawian 170 | 11,348
9 May 2011 #24
Probably made for some graffiti festival but who knows, maybe...

Grafitti on a school building for a festival? :):):)

I like graffitis which shows something more than letters.

A picture?

But it's maybe 5% of the graffitis in general. Most are simple scribbles or ugly black and white bulky tags.

Exactly.
chichimera 1 | 186
9 May 2011 #25
Oh and I like stencil graffiti. Banksy works are very smart and aesthetic.

Oh, a wonderful example. Before he became famous and his work appreciated, Banksy'd been a street vandal :)
Maaarysia
9 May 2011 #26
Grafitti on a school building for a festival? :):):)

It looks too proffessional. The background was painted white - it looks like it was prepared specially for this graffiti :)

A picture?

If it wasn't a football hooligan gang it would look quite nice :)

Banksy'd been a street vandal :)

Chichmera you don't talk with any art tasteless people. I can ensure you of that.
I can see when something is pretty. But most graffiti is not pretty, on the contrary - is blemishing. Additionally many graffiti in Poland is made by football hooligans and is nothing more than "Legia pany" etc. signature
chichimera 1 | 186
10 May 2011 #27
Chichmera you don't talk with any art tasteless people. I can ensure you of that.

I've never said or even thought something like that.
BUT if you take the spray away from a Legia fan, you'll have to take it away from everyone.
And what is art after all? Who is to decide? It's an expression, isn't it? Maybe someone feels the need to express "Legia pany", maybe that's what they feel is important. It doesn't kill anyone, does it?

If you like Banksy, you might know the film already, but in case you don't, have a look at it. It's fun :)
..
JonnyM 11 | 2,621
10 May 2011 #28
I rarely see movies that one could call art.

Perhaps you watch the wrong movies. Strange that, since you only seem to notice the 'right' grafitti.

It's just rubbish littering people's minds. And can be more harmful than HWDP on the wall. Shall we make cinematography illegal? Actually I'd be happy to see some of the film makers made accountable.

Nonsense, as usual. If you think a film's harmful, don't go and see it. don't buy the DVD, don't download it. don't watch that channel. But how do you avoid HWDP, LEGIA KURWY, ZYZDI WON, meaningless teenage tags etc unless you walk around with your eyes closed. Perhaps you do?

It doesn't kill anyone, does it?

No, but it does spoil the wall that they've paid to have painted and look grimly depressing as they're going about your business.

Here's a deal for you Chimichera, if you like grafitti so much, give me a spray can and let me decorate the walls of your family's house. After all, don't I have a right to express myself?
chichimera 1 | 186
10 May 2011 #29
Nonsense, as usual

No, but you clearly look but you don't see.

give me a spray can and let me decorate the walls of your family's house

You're welcome. I really couldn't be bothered if there was Legia Kurwy on my wall
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
10 May 2011 #30
Hear hear! Let art prevail by any means necessary!

So, you won't mind when we come to graffiti your house, then?


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