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southern 75 | 7,096
29 Nov 2011 #241
they must ask themselves the question of how they want their country to be in the face of a rising Islamic influence.

Germans are not afraid of the Islamics.German society is hardcore and does not assimilate.Most Turks etc live in ghetto.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
29 Nov 2011 #242
Wrocław, I did. The 'recent influx of foreigners' was in reference to Poles against the backdrop of the general rise in Islamic elements in Germany. I had Merkel's view of 'multi-culti' in mind. Sascha will clarify this but I think Germans view this issue more generally whereas quite a few Brits have singled out Poles. I wanted to draw that demarcation. Without that background, Wrocław, the discussion falls flat on its face.

What we should be encouraging here is individual stories of posters with first-hand exp of this (the thread topic). Otherwise, it's just imagination and prejudice at work, right?
Wroclaw 44 | 5,387
29 Nov 2011 #243
Seanus,
i was more concerned with posts in line with this.

I see again Serbs beating and shooting Germanics in Kosovo.It seems traditions die hard.

Seanus 15 | 19,706
29 Nov 2011 #244
Right enough as we posted at the same time. Sorry!

Asides from the recent fracas on Nov 11, I've heard of no friction though I'm sure JK will be sure to invent some being the sad little man that he is.
sascha 1 | 826
29 Nov 2011 #245
wroclaw, seanus, southern

really i have no clue how and to whom to answer first. i ll try to cover as much as possible and not to be off topic. ok?

germans in general like only themselves. thats a fact and thats the way they mostly come along. the thing is the more in the youth or education you had contact with foreigners they are no problem at all. its simply the fact where you are in society and if you feel endangered by them.

southern, yes, they mostly life in ghettos. the biggest ones are now in berlin. there you hve turkish, russian, polish and asian quarters. that came with the last einsiedlung from mr. kanzler kohl... ;)

all in total the integration was/is a sensible topic. my generation didnt have any problems with the gastarbeiter who came to ger all over europe. when the waves from former block countries started to 'flod' germany, many older people and cons of course saw themselves in danger. i know thats stupid, but they still had that ww2 experience in mind.

nowadays the problem for the admin to turn the time back wards, meaning to make some kind of selection for immigrants like it is usual in us, nzl and aus. that is not possible. that is also the reason why the changes in law come across that drastic.

all in total i can only say for myself, that i had in elem school guys from spain, italy, yu and turkey and we came along great. i never had tha issue with foreigners, but as i said, education and society where you move are important for that imo.

wroclaw, i hope this comment will not go in the box. my fingers hurt from that much typing. have mercy ;)
Crow 137 | 7,858
29 Nov 2011 #246
Please keep to the topic: MORE ANTI-POLISH SENTIMENT IN GERMANY

i respect you man but, with all due respect, how is possible that you can`t understand that topic developing- horizontally and vertically

it might help if contributors to this thread start by reading the first post. thank you.

yes, exactly that inspired me.

Germans are not afraid of the Islamics.German society is hardcore and does not assimilate.Most Turks etc live in ghetto.

i have to disagree.

German society isn`t hardcore. Germany always needed totalitarian regimes in order to prolong effects of germanization over the assimilated Slavic masses. Furthermore, necessity for totalitarian regimes always pushed German society to the extremism and generated hate on Slavs that are primary target (as long as Slavs exist they are threatening very fundaments of society/idea of German nation). That`s why we have hate on Poles, hate on Serbs, hate on Czechs, hate on all Slavs after all, except on those who are cooperative, as it is case with Croatia and Bulgaria
sascha 1 | 826
29 Nov 2011 #247
Furthermore, necessity for totalitarian regimes always pushed German society to the extremism and generated hate on Slavs

is it possible that you too much watch history channel? ;) and think that todays germany is just a copy of the period 1933-45???

a)why should germans need a totalitarian regime?

b)everyone, including slavs, are german targets. germans love/like only themselves.

c)everyone who is not-german is threatening german society.

d)germans dont hate others. they or the admin want to dominate them.

this is based on your thoughts.
again you generalize very nicely. any chance to differentiate a little? crow, slowly i am getting angry because of this what you write here.

there are things in the german mentality/society which are good and which are bad. furthermore the society has more to offer than this hardcore aggression what you draw here. take that into consideration.

poles and germans? i would guess that like in so many other cases the relations on the personal level are much better than on admin.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
29 Nov 2011 #248
Crow, blackadder is right insofar as you have to let go of some old daggers or you'll never move forward. Poles and Germans must learn to do the same. Take people as you find them and try not to look at nationality so much. For example, there are some Poles that get on my nerves but many are really nice people and I'm happy to walk among them. Nationality gazing is counterproductive through the chosen lens :)
sascha 1 | 826
5 Dec 2011 #249
Germans must learn to do the same.....let go of some old daggers

i dont know if you had the chance to read the speach of helmut schmidt during the spd meeting last week. he had some intersting point for the 'new and modern german leaders'...

imo since the end of ww2 he is/was the only reasonable kanzler in germany, of course also his mandate wasnt without flaws...
Mr Grunwald 19 | 1,542
6 Dec 2011 #250
i blame Russia for this. Russia shouldn`t allow Germany to re-unite after annihilated all those Slavs back in WWII.

Calm down, breath! A few more steppes and your closer to be called a Pole :)
PennBoy 76 | 2,437
6 Dec 2011 #251
Lithuanians trying to mock Poles but they're not even good at it, disappointing..
MediaWatch 10 | 945
7 Dec 2011 #252
Germany and Russia seem to be good friends now.
Crow 137 | 7,858
7 Dec 2011 #253
No. Germany mistaken. Again
sascha 1 | 826
7 Dec 2011 #254
they are. angy has to look for alternatives. mr schroeder paved the way and she is doing the harvest. ;)
it damn looks like in the middle of 20th century.. ;)
Crow 137 | 7,858
7 Dec 2011 #255
Please keep to the topic: MORE ANTI-POLISH SENTIMENT IN GERMANY

Pane, please. What we see is that topic develop horizontally and vertically, as i likes to say
Natasa 1 | 580
7 Dec 2011 #256
topic develop horizontally and vertically,

you forgot diagonally, tangentially, radially...
There are many ways to address this question.

Calm down, breath! A few more steppes and your closer to be called a Pole :)

Poles do that too? :))

You say unification I say mummification...;))))
Crow 137 | 7,858
7 Dec 2011 #257
you forgot diagonally, tangentially, radially...

yes, yes. :)
Seanus 15 | 19,706
7 Dec 2011 #258
The Germans have no real reason to be anti-Polish. The problems may begin in earnest when the Antifa movement grows and the Polish right wing looks to stamp them out.
Wlodzimierz 4 | 544
30 Sep 2013 #259
Anti-Polish sentiment in Germany's akin, though certainly not identical, to anti-Turkish sentiment. Poles are resented because again and again they are perceived as low ballers, underbidding native-born (German, English, French...) workers out of decent-paying jobs often due to their willingness to work far below minimum wage and turn out more or less equal-quality work!

In the case of the Turks, their frequent unwillingness to integrate successfully into German society, both linguistically as well as culturally, has caused more than its share of friction, much of it turning quite ugly, if not fatal. Noone accuses Turko-Germans of turning out "inferior" products, yet with both groups, Germans have historically valued incremental achievement in science, industry, the arts and architecture. In all these areas, both the Poles and the Turks appear lacking according to Germany's often lofty standards.

Think of the old saying, "I'd rather be a French peasant than a Gipsy king."
Nile 1 | 155
30 Sep 2013 #260
Anti-Polish sentiment in Germany's akin, though certainly not identical, to anti-Turkish sentiment.

I think Germans should get away with all this negativity. It is not good for business.
Wlodzimierz 4 | 544
30 Sep 2013 #261
You mean "...get OVER..."?? Oh yes, I concur. Albeit if they don't overcome their negativity with regard to foreigners in their midst, who knows what the former will get AWAY with in the futureLOL
pierogi2000 4 | 229
30 Sep 2013 #262
Having spent time in all three nations (Poland, Germany, Turkey) the Germans are justified in their "lofty standards". As someone that has spent 2 decades in California, I was left blown away after my first visit to Germany. The efficiency, organization, and logic was quite impressive.

Unfortunately for Germany, they are forced to bring in immigrants because of the large dying/retiring generation in the next 10+ years. They have no choice and do not have the liberty of slowly allowing workers in. On one hand this is the bed that Hitler made but on the other hand it is discouraging to see such a culturally impressive nation decline to the level of the immigrants it is bringing in.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,795
30 Sep 2013 #263
Having spent time in all three nations (Poland, Germany, Turkey) the Germans are justified in their "lofty standards". As someone that has spent 2 decades in California, I was left blown away after my first visit to Germany. The efficiency, organization, and logic was quite impressive.

Clearly you haven't travelled very much in Germany.

Your ignorance is amusing. Perhaps you should learn about the backbone of the West Germany economy. Here's a hint for your racist self : they were ethnically not much different to you.
Wlodzimierz 4 | 544
1 Oct 2013 #265
Check out German TV-comedy channels, RTL etc... often rife with the dumbest of "dumb-polak" jokes, the reputation of Poles from the early 90's on of being carjackers, cat burglars and business cheats.
pierogi2000 4 | 229
1 Oct 2013 #266
Clearly you haven't travelled very much in Germany.

How do you manage to be so contradictory and wrong in every thread

It's German engineering. Not Polish engineering, not Turkish engineering, not British engineering.
Wlodzimierz 4 | 544
1 Oct 2013 #267
"It's GERMAN engineering......" thanks, at least in large part during WWII, to JEWISH slave labor:-)))))
TheOther 6 | 3,999
1 Oct 2013 #268
Check out German TV-comedy channels, RTL ... the reputation of Poles from the early 90's

Exactly ... early 90's ... that's almost 25 years ago. I believe that you are painting a wrong, stereotypical picture, to be honest.
Wlodzimierz 4 | 544
1 Oct 2013 #269
And yet, whilst that picture has changed on the surface at any rate, I sense lurking beneath the exterior of material contentment, many Germans still cannot quite shake that admitted stereotype of the Pole. Surely, with the death of Marcel Reich-Ranicki just this past week or so, who would've ever thought that post-War resp. Wall Germany's "Literaturpapst" would've ended up being a Polish-Jewish transplant??
pierogi2000 4 | 229
1 Oct 2013 #270
Western Germans have the same stereotype for us as Eastern Germans. We were both occupied for 50 years. It makes sense


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