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New to Poland (Bydgoszcz) - cost of living there


fabiand_88 1 | 6
4 Apr 2013 #1
Hi guys,
I m Oracle Admin,With 3 + years experience.Currently i got an Offer from 1 of the Companies at Poland(Bydgoszcz).
As im new to this country,i have no clue about payscale for the same.
Can some 1 help me with the max and minimum salary(Monthly ) for 3+ Experience Oracle Admin.Can some 1 provide me vital information ie the cost of living/day to day Expenses @ Poland(Bydgoszcz),which includes monthly rental.Company is not providing me accommodation.

Any details would be really helpful

Please can some 1 provide me some valuable information , minimum Cost of living in Poland(Bydgoszcz).
Monitor 14 | 1,820
5 Apr 2013 #2
As it's Bydgoszcz I would expect minimum 2000pln net. Link to IT salaries in Poland I gave here:

Bydgoszcz doesn't belong to top biggest cities in Poland, so I guess salaries there are around 50% of those in Warsaw.

Cost of living you can check in Numbeo. Here you have Warsaw to Bydgoszcz price & earnings comparison: As you can see Bydgoszcz has a lot lower rent prices comparing with Warsaw.
Maybe 12 | 409
5 Apr 2013 #3
Okay
so Rent. 30sqm new build between 850-1100zl pm not including bills

Bills> heating, water, tv,internet, telephone around 300zl a month depending on the season

Ground rent >if you are in a block of flats monthly ground rent will be between 50-200zl a month

Petrol> depening on how much you drive around anywhere between 150-300zl a week

Food> depending where and how you shop food bill for 1 person. 100-200zl a week
OP fabiand_88 1 | 6
5 Apr 2013 #4
Thank You Maybe and Monitor,was really helpfull...Soo Expense for a month would range between..3000 to 4000 pln..ie food +rent+bills+transport.
Can some 1 explain are there any taxes in poland..Like in US its flat 30 % tax..
Monitor 14 | 1,820
5 Apr 2013 #5
When working in city car is not necessary, then monthly ticket for public transport costs max 120zł.

Of course there are taxes in Poland: [taxrates.cc/html/poland-tax-rates.html]. But what you should care is only that from Gross salary after income tax and obligatory insurance deduction you will be left with 30 - 40% less. Meaning net is 60 - 70 % of gross salary.

With 2000 PLN net you can live sparingly. If you want to have a little bit of joy from consumption then you should get min 3000 PLN net.

And according to this page: median salary for IT workers in Kujawsko Pomorskie (region where Bydgoszcz is) is 4500PLN Gross. It's 3200PLN Net.

Large companies in Poland tend to pay more. In addition to differences that were evident at the level of provinces, significant discrepancies in pay notice in enterprises of all sizes. As seen in Table 1, together with the size of the company grows median wages. The smallest employers offered an average of 3 900 PLN , while in large companies (employing 1 000 people or more ), the median salaries amounted to 7 000 PLN.

The higher in the hierarchy of the higher earnings. The IT industry is no different from others in that it , together with the senior organization earnings were higher. Rank and file employees earned 3 500 PLN , but the income of specialist positions amounted to 6 000 PLN . Average salary of managers in this sector amounted to 8 700 PLN . More earned only directors and representatives of the board. Median their wages amounted to 15 000 PLN . So it was more than 4 times higher than regular employees , and 2.5 -fold surpassed salary specialists.

Maybe 12 | 409
5 Apr 2013 #6
Realistically if you can get 3000zl to 4000zl a month after tax, life will be comfortable. The majority of Poles have an income around 2000zl to 2800zl a month. If a Pole earns more than 15,000zl a month after tax they are classed as wealthy.
OP fabiand_88 1 | 6
6 Apr 2013 #7
Thanks a lot for all the information..You'all were really helpful..
Once the company provide me the details about my Salary per month, I will Inquire with the company itself..what will be the gross salary After my tax deduction.

Thanks again.

Hi Everyone,

Please,Really need some help..as i have to revert back to company in 2-3 days.
I finally got the offer letter from the company..
They are ready to pay, Monthly gross base salary:7400 PLN+a relocation package PLN 600 gross (monthly) to a rent apartment.
so that comes to 8000 PLN gross.
Just want to know, how much is the net salary i will get in hand after tax deduction.

2nd) What other facility's i need to ask from company,
They are ready to provide the below
Medical Care
Life Insurance
BenefitSystem Card

Regards
Fabian
phtoa 9 | 236
15 Apr 2013 #8
Just want to know, how much is the net salary i will get in hand after tax deduction.

Its will come out to be 5700-5750 PLN net per month, wish is not bad if you do not have to provide for a family.

Medical insurance/life insurance + benefit card is nice to have, maybe ask for a parking spot in case you are planning to have a car here.
OP fabiand_88 1 | 6
15 Apr 2013 #9
Hi Phtoa,

Thank you for your quick response.I will be staying alone.
Initially for 6 months i wont consider about buying a car,as im completely new to this place.

Do we get yearly LTA in Poland(Leave travel allowance)?As i used to get this in my current Indian firm.
Also can you please explain me what is Benefit card? As im new to this word.

Also this is mentioned in my offer letter,Can you please explain me what is this?

Annual bonus as % of base salary
According to the goals set in Balanced Score Card 10%

Global Capability Model level 5

Warm regards
Fabian
Monitor 14 | 1,820
15 Apr 2013 #10
LTA must be some Indian invention. In Poland worker has 20 to 26 days off pay year (26 is after 10 years of work, study time is included to that) + public holidays:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_holidays_in_Poland

BenefitSystem Card - it's the card of the company you're applying for a job, so read their website or ask

Annual bonus as % of base salary According to the goals set in Balanced Score Card 10% - there is a chance for 10% of annual salary bonus if you perform according to their "Balanced Score Card" - it's something from your company

Global Capability Model level 5 - no idea what's that.

one more thing "+a relocation package PLN 600 gross (monthly) " - usually relocation bonus is one time only.
phtoa 9 | 236
15 Apr 2013 #11
BenefitSystem Card - it's the card of the company you're applying for a job, so read their website or ask

Probably this is a multisport cards which offers you free activities such as gym's, swimming pools etc. Quiet use full in my opnion and has a value of around 150ZL pr. month.
OP fabiand_88 1 | 6
15 Apr 2013 #12
Hi Monitor,

Thank you for the update.
LTA (According to India) Is basically company paying for your travel expense yearly..
ie if i plan to visit my family in india..Then company would pay for my air tickets.

This was the line for relocation package.
"You will be entitled to receive a relocation package in the amount of PLN 600 gross to a rented apartment. This will be paid for a period of 5 years (monthly) "

So apart from Medical Care, Life Insurance and BenefitSystem Card , Do i need to ask any other facilities?

Warm regards
Fabian
Monitor 14 | 1,820
15 Apr 2013 #13
Then ask them for 1 return ticket to India per year. Say that in India you have such thing, maybe they will give you :) You know it's up to company what you get. Mostly corporations give something extra, but in smaller firms you don't get any bonuses or benefits.

"You will be entitled to receive a relocation package in the amount of PLN 600 gross to a rented apartment. This will be paid for a period of 5 years (monthly) " - it would be funny if they pay you 600zł in 60 rates during period of 5 years = 10zł per month :) Because this is what they write.
OP fabiand_88 1 | 6
24 Apr 2013 #14
Hi All,

Thanks for all the responses you'all have provided me till now..It was very helpful..
Currently My situation is "Company has provided me the offer letter" and i was asked to submit all the documents for work permit.

I have submitted all the documents on 22nd April,
Just need to Inquire,How many days approx would it take to get a valid Work Permit for Poland.
My company is processing for my Work Permit.

Warm Regards
Harry
24 Apr 2013 #15
How many days approx would it take to get a valid Work Permit for Poland.

Back in the days when I needed one it used to take about two to three months. The process hasn't changed much since then. However, back then the labour office used to take a fairly relaxed approach to people who were working while their application for a work permit was being processed, I don't know if that is still the case.
OP fabiand_88 1 | 6
25 Apr 2013 #16
So I need to wait for 2-3 Months :( :( Company has offered Joining date as 1st July
JohnNassan - | 10
6 Aug 2013 #17
Will that number enough if i am going to get my wife with me (just me and my wife ) ????

appreciate your fast response
JohnNassan - | 10
6 Aug 2013 #19
6000 PLN Gross + 600 PLN Gross (Reallocation)
Monitor 14 | 1,820
6 Aug 2013 #20
Enough, but hard to save much.
JohnNassan - | 10
6 Aug 2013 #21
so , how much do you think i need to ask for to live me and my wife a good life in bydgoszcz and save some ?
Monitor 14 | 1,820
6 Aug 2013 #22
how much do you want to save?
JohnNassan - | 10
6 Aug 2013 #23
i hope i can save about 2000 PLN monthly
Monitor 14 | 1,820
6 Aug 2013 #24
I am not sure how net of this 600 is calculated, but if it's simply 6000 + 600 -> net. Then you will have 4665,58 net. If you cook at home polish food (imported more expensive) then 1000pln for food should be enough. Some small apartment with utilities fees in Bydgoszcz should be around 2000. Some tickets and other expenses 500pln.

4665 - 3500 = 1165.
So either you will have to save on quality food or rent smaller apartment or you will not save 2000pln with this salary.

Hmm, actually you can pay closer to 1500 for apartment, because they're cheaper in Bydgoszcz than in other big cities.
https://polishforums.com/news/poland-higher-purchasing-germany-67142/#msg1386595
JohnNassan - | 10
6 Aug 2013 #25
and what about travelling and having fun in bydgoszcz , you have calculated food and rent and facilities , but how cost it is if we need to go out and enjoy our life twice a week or at least once a week
Monitor 14 | 1,820
6 Aug 2013 #26
Look above, I edited my post - you will have 500 pln more. Beer prices in pubs starts from 5-6 pln so it's not a big expense. In Poland only rich (or those who don't want to save money or have their own house) go to restaurants. And because your wife wouldn't have salary then you cannot be called rich (although your salary is above average) And as for traveling around the country there are relatively cheap buses. But you can see that it's either fun or saving.

And it's possible to rent studio apartment for 1000pln and then you will have disposable 2165pln
delphiandomine 83 | 17,732
6 Aug 2013 #27
In Poland only rich (or those who don't want to save money or have their own house) go to restaurants.

?

Since when? I and all my friends go to restaurants all the time, and we can't exactly be called rich people. Given that you can get a decent pizza for 20zl in a restaurant in Poznan, it's really not that hard to eat out often. It might not be 'fine dining', but you can certainly eat somewhere with good service and good food for not very much money.
Monitor 14 | 1,820
6 Aug 2013 #28
I exaggerated with rich :) but to have fun you should at least earn average salary and rent nothing bigger than studio. Anything more: family to pay for, bigger apartment, smaller than average salary and you either cannot save or you should put away fun in case of restaurant etc.
JohnNassan - | 10
6 Aug 2013 #29
can you advice how much do i need to live comfortable and get out and save some money in bydgoszcz as i have the chance to request more money


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