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As EuroPride visits Warsaw - is it the start of overdue social change in Poland? (homosexuality promotion)


Harry
16 Jul 2010 #31
Straight people constitute 98% of the population, while homosexuals "only" constitute 2%, even you have to see that the numbers don't add up in the favour of the homosexuals, when 35% of the pedophiles are homosexual.

Despite your best attempts, the simple fact is that a paedophile is more likely to be straight than gay.
DariuszTelka 5 | 193
16 Jul 2010 #32
Yes, but one can still argue that homosexuals are overrepresented in paedophelia in contrast to the straight population by numbers. It's called statistics. Where would we be without these "fun" facts? What would sports be without it?

"Individuals attracted to males usually prefer slightly older boys between the ages of 10 and 13 years.3,5 Heterosexual pedophiles, in self-report studies, have on average abused 5.2 children and committed an average of 34 sexual acts vs homosexual pedophiles who have on average abused 10.7 children and committed an average of 52 acts.15 Bisexual offenders have on average abused 27.3 children and committed more than 120 acts."

So the point is, if you KNOW that someone is homosexual, you KNOW that he has a greater chance of molesting a child than a heterosexual man. Even though there are clearly more heterosexual men out there, 35% of all paedophiles are homosexual. These numbers just don't go away.

mayoclinicproceedings.com/content/82/4/457.full

"Most cars aren't potential death traps on the highway", "Yes, but would you buy a toyota nontheless?".

msnbc.msn.com/id/33077383/

Just like the Toyota cars that can become your last ride. It might happen, it might not. Do you want to take the chance? Are you gonna say; "Yes, but overall, most Toyota's don't have these faults". Are you gonna put your kid in one and take the chance? Unfortunately, you can't put paedophiles in for a tuneup, one can only lock them away.

How high or how low of a chance of something does it have to be, before it should be public knowledge and something people should be aware of? I don't personally care if you are homo or straight, if you touch my kid, you will probably not survive it. I don't hate homosexuals, I just know the statistics and facts.

Dariusz
Harry
16 Jul 2010 #33
I don't personally care if you are homo or straight, if you touch my kid, you will probably not survive it.

Damn right I wouldn't: if I ever reached the state in which I thought that the fruit of your loins was attractive, I'd kill myself.

Although I am very much looking forward to the day that your son comes home and says "Dad, this is Mohammed. We're in love and getting married."
MareGaea 29 | 2,751
16 Jul 2010 #34
"Dad, this is Mohammed. We're in love and getting married."

LOL, although it's an old one, I still think it's funny. Especially if Mohammed is a black Muslim from Sudan :)

>^..^<

M-G (in the 80's: two black homosexual Jews with a fosterchild in the USSR)
milky 13 | 1,656
16 Jul 2010 #35
you will probably not survive it

What are your views on Adolf Hitler??
jonni 16 | 2,476
16 Jul 2010 #36
Just like the Toyota cars that can become your last ride. It might happen, it might not. Do you want to take the chance? Are you gonna say; "Yes, but overall, most Toyota's don't have these faults". Are you gonna put your kid in one and take the chance?

You wouldn't put your kid in a Toyota?
DariuszTelka 5 | 193
16 Jul 2010 #37
What are your views on Adolf Hitler??

Not that it has anything to do with this thread, but if I could, he would never have gotten out of his beerstube in Munich alive. The same goes for Stalin. Good enough? The nazi empire made way for the liberal left to completely destroy the european world and way of living. Communism and slavery for half a century in the east, excess immigration and the debauchery we have today in the west. The new world order couldn't have written it better. Myself, I'm in favour of lesser government, more individual freedom. Socialism needs to be killed off, along with the most greedy version of capitalism.

You wouldn't put your kid in a Toyota?

Not if the statistics show that they are potentially a death threat, no. Did you check the link?

Damn right I wouldn't: if I ever reached the state in which I thought that the fruit of your loins was attractive, I'd kill myself.

Can't stop the personal insults, can we Harry. That's ok, I'll have to get used to I guess.

Although I am very much looking forward to the day that your son comes home and says "Dad, this is Mohammed. We're in love and getting married."

At least I'm married, and have the possibility to have a son. Instead of posting well over 4000 posts in here you should be out there, Harry, making friends, finding someone, instead of spending a friday evening alone by your computer trying to come up with funny insults.

But just to go along with your "amusing" thought, if he would do that, he would find himself out of the will...nothing more drastic than that..what if your son (If you manage to get out and actually find a girl and somehow magically impregnate her), came home with a nazi-skinhead-homophobic girl and said; we're getting married at the Berechtesgarten! And we want the priest to read from Mein Kampf, wearing an Hermann Goering replica uniform during the ceremony, while you shout anti-semitic obscenities at the guests. About the same level of probability, but nonetheless, what would you do, Harry?

Dariusz
Amathyst 19 | 2,700
16 Jul 2010 #38
instead of spending a friday evening alone by your computer trying to come up with funny insults.

Dariusz, I do actually like you, in a strange way, but you're here on a Friday too...what does say about you? You're married..Sorry but generally Friday is a night single hard working (usually more hours than our married couterparts do) stay in and have a glass of wine, generally you wont see people like Harry on here on Saturday!

As for gay people who adopt..Well I know two gay guys who offer respite service to parents...They do an invaluable job and care for the kids they get sprung on them..You have no idea..they were passed by social services because they have been together for 10 years and are stable and dont do it for money like many hetro couples do - they do because they cant have kids but would love to help kids..nothing perveted..just to people do something out of love. Such a shame people have such views.
MareGaea 29 | 2,751
16 Jul 2010 #39
statistics

Statistics are only valuable if they include the entire population. Else they will only be a snapshot of a current feeling in a group, not really usable therefore.

>^..^<

M-G (tiens)
jonni 16 | 2,476
16 Jul 2010 #40
jonni:
You wouldn't put your kid in a Toyota?

Not if the statistics show that they are potentially a death threat, no. Did you check the link?

So would you or wouldn't you?
DariuszTelka 5 | 193
17 Jul 2010 #41
Dariusz, I do actually like you, in a strange way, but you're here on a Friday too...what does say about you? You're married..Sorry but generally Friday is a night single hard working (usually more hours than our married couterparts do) stay in and have a glass of wine, generally you wont see people like Harry on here on Saturday!

I'm here, on a friday night, since I'm married, yes...and since my wife is giving birth in a week's time. And unfortunately, you are right, I didn't use to go out on friday's after I hit 30 either. Too tired. I was never into wine, though, but a couple of cans of beer, and light's out. Anyways, my point was, instead of writing 4000 messages in here, a person who I mostly see writing one-two-liners, mostly see bashing people, calling them all sorts of things, and too often bashing Poland/polish history/polish people...well, I just made an observation.

As for gay people who adopt..Well I know two gay guys who offer respite service to parents...

Hey, I've met "cool" gay people too. Not too many, but a few. The whole adoption thing, I mean, if they can't get a kid the "natural" way, they shouldn't have it. I mean, just the thought of a kid growing up with two dad's or two mom's, it just doesn't work for me. This does not apply to couples who are infertile. It's just my view. Sorry if it offends anyone...

Statistics are only valuable if they include the entire population. Else they will only be a snapshot of a current feeling in a group, not really usable therefore.

That excludes about 98% of all statistics that are made then? How are the polling companies going to survive if this is the standard? How much will it cost if you have to interview ALL the people every time you make a statistic? The consequenses of such an rigid standard will almost kill off all statistics. You seem a bit harsh, MareGaea.

So would you or wouldn't you?

It depends.

Dariusz
Zed - | 195
17 Jul 2010 #42
For those of you who are in Warsaw: let's just meet tomorrow at Plac Bankowy and walk the pride route. It should be fun!!!! :-) I'll be there.
Mr Grunwald 33 | 2,226
17 Jul 2010 #43
Im also not aware of any "promoting" of homosexuality in schools over here either...

There is in Norwegian schools, never gonna forget that looong hour
Meowmeow 5 | 58
17 Jul 2010 #44
Most of you homophobic people on here were taught that being Gay is wrong in church ...cause thats where it all comes from... Not once did Jesus say being gay was wrong... And the Irony is that Most of Poland is Catholic. And the Catholic priests are the ones always molesting boys...hardly any other men do that.. Just the priests who tell you gay is wrong. Paedophiles are mostly straight, and mostly are someone the child knows in the family.
Mr Grunwald 33 | 2,226
17 Jul 2010 #45
Most of you homophobic people on here were taught that being Gay is wrong in church

Hahahahha lol

Who is indoctrinated? lol

Not once did Jesus say being gay was wrong...

No but a marriage is between a man and a women and they better stay out of talking about that

And the Irony is that Most of Poland is Catholic.

Well 55% or is most so you are correct

And the Catholic priests are the ones always molesting boys...

You better be careful with that there are stories about protestant and other religious nuts too, also don't you dare call my priest that! He was a very nice and understand fella

hardly any other men do that..

No comment

Just the priests who tell you gay is wrong.

Sorry but my gut feels it from the bottom of it, my stick get hard when I see a women not a man, and when that happends and if sex happends then there will be a baby, then that baby will grow up and etc and life will carry on. Sorry for not getting the picture correctly?

Paedophiles are mostly straight,

That one I can agree on

and mostly are someone the child knows in the family.

Actually I know an incident of an family that had somethign like that, but I am not discussing it. But I would wait until I get some proper statistics tho :)

(sarcasm on) and what is it with you and having your dad indoctrinating you all your life? That is an abomination right? You gotta think for yourself! Those teachers too! They indoctrinate everything + the media! Grab yourself a glass of water and empty it over your head (Sarcasm off)
polishmeknob 5 | 154
18 Jul 2010 #46
I think that Poland will open up and it integrates further and further into the EU. Within twenty years I can see them legalizing gay marriage and such.
MareGaea 29 | 2,751
18 Jul 2010 #47
Who is indoctrinated?

Grunwald, don't make me angry, ok?

>^..^<

M-G (tiens)
Polonius3 986 | 12,343
18 Jul 2010 #48
Any crack maths experts on PF? If so, assuming the widely published figure that the 3% homosexual population is responsible for one-third of all paedophile offences, then how much more likely is a homosexual to be a paedophile than a heterosexual? Seven times, nine times, 12 times?
Nathan 18 | 1,349
18 Jul 2010 #49
Any crack maths experts on PF?

I excel in crack, not both though ;)

assuming the widely published figure

And what are the sources?

3% homosexual population is responsible for one-third of all paedophile offences, then how much more likely is a homosexual to be a paedophile than a heterosexual?

You don't have to do math here: 2/3rd of pedophiles are straight people. In addition, when people are screened by stats for preponderance to commit a crime one's sexuality is not the sole factor taken into the account. Humans are not robots. Many factors influence our development: genes, surroundings. When people can live in this world with healthy expression of their sexual feelings, especially celibate priests or gays, there won't be as many cases of pedophilia on either side of sexual behavior. Suppression of feelings leads to them outflowing in the wrong direction and thus, consequences.

Btw, I am happy for Poland to be the 1st country in post-Soviet block to start this movement. A big step towards even more healthy society.
MareGaea 29 | 2,751
18 Jul 2010 #50
Any crack maths experts on PF? If so, assuming the widely published figure that the 3% homosexual population is responsible for one-third of all paedophile offences, then how much more likely is a homosexual to be a paedophile than a heterosexual? Seven times, nine times, 12 times?

You should unshackle homosexuality from pedophiliae as these two things are completely different from one and another. A pedophile is usually not capable of having normal sexual relations with grown up individuals, while homosexuals most certainly are.

Pedophiliae is a different thing. It has nothing to do with being gay, although I know that anti-homosexual lobby always makes the connection in their fight against gays. Well, sorry to disappoint you, but there is no obvious connection between these two variations in human sexuality, no matter how hard you want it to be there.

>^..^<

M-G (yay!)
POLENGGGs 2 | 150
18 Jul 2010 #51
paedophile is a term to victimize people.
And all those LGBT movements are weak for selling out in the 50s and60s ,

anyways Age of consent is a REAAL legislative weapon in Poland. LGBT's have it easy ; there no laws against them.

my uncle doing time for being a 'paedophile' - having relationship with a 17year old female...

That is what they should address, but no they all weak those activists.

And MAry Gee - what is your purpose, anyone post something they dislike - you always come racing with crappy textbook responses - I could not help but notice that it seems you are like a bored person writing crap that everyone already knows and not really giving any of your own opinions.
cheehaw 2 | 263
18 Jul 2010 #52
personally, I think this whole gay pride stuff is just an illusion, more or less. The powers that be enjoy having homosexuals in office, they often have much looser morals and ethics than the typical hetrosexual. Confusion reigns.

In real life, homosexuals in positions of power are easy to manipulate. they can have a lot of skeletons in their closets they desire to hide, not parade around.

Take that bi-sexual (married to a woman) New Jersey governer who was ousted a few years back. He was actually pushing for some really good things that were detrimental to the federal reserve, which would have been good for New Jersey and the USA. So then what happens? It comes out that he is gay and out of office he goes, so his good ideas, regardless of his sexual orientation, are likewise dismissed with him. This is not uncommon.

it's a sad state of affairs we have enabled here.
enkidu 7 | 623
18 Jul 2010 #53
Here is a series of short clips from the Warsaw Parade.

So for partnerships and unions, because Poland is the most important - it is one of the terms under which the streets of Warsaw on Saturday passed a parade Europride 2010 According to police estimates, was attended by approx. 8 thousand . people. There were some kontrmanifestacji - the largest organized Polish Youth .

I find it quite hard to spot a "fighting for the equal rights" element on these clips. lol
MareGaea 29 | 2,751
18 Jul 2010 #54
And MAry Gee - what is your purpose, anyone post something they dislike - you always come racing with crappy textbook responses - I could not help but notice that it seems you are like a bored person writing crap that everyone already knows and not really giving any of your own opinions.

Listen friend, I give my personal opinions. Sorry if they don't suit you. Bored - yes, by the likes of you and ignorant fools who refuse to go with the flow of times. I could not help but notice that you haven't made any significant contribution to any discussion whatsoever. And apparently not everybody knows them yet as I have to repeat them over and over again and still bigots indulge themselves in their own oblivion.

Edit: now go and bother sb else. My tolerance-treshold is very low at the moment.

>^..^<

M-G (yay!)
luistigre - | 1
18 Jul 2010 #55
I come from a very poor country and in some ways very conservative one cos of catholic rules I'm shocked about the comments here and so intolerant environment you can feel in Poland about gay people, In my country when there are these kind of parades people go out and cheer gay people on without protecting the parade with police or similar stuff, very sad to be in a midle-aged country
ZIMMY 6 | 1,601
18 Jul 2010 #56
ignorant fools who refuse to go with the flow of times.

Going "with the flow of times" is not a good criteria nor a convincing argument. For example; the German people went 'with the times' in the 1930's and that was not a good idea.

Of course one should appeal to the (good) humanity in us which we all have in various degrees, (some more than others) and understand that sex is a good thing (as long as we stay within our species).
Amathyst 19 | 2,700
18 Jul 2010 #57
Here is a series of short clips from the Warsaw Parade

Fek me Polish tranis are ugly!

I find it quite hard to spot a "fighting for the equal rights" element on these clips. lol

You just dont get it do you? The turn out was hardly impressive, I'll do some video clips of Pride in city next month and show you how its really done ;0)

Just one question, the short blokes with skinheads are they gay too? They look more gay than any of my gay friends..
time means 5 | 1,309
18 Jul 2010 #58
series of short clips from the Warsaw Parade

Was that BB with the Luftwaffe hat on at 54 secs?
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 11,818
18 Jul 2010 #59
Helmets, only helmets for me - no helmet, no BB! :)
time means 5 | 1,309
18 Jul 2010 #60
Thanks for clearing that up. I recognised Torq, Ironside and Sokrates from the clip maybe the other guy is David 18?


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