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Who are the Poles? Balts, Germanics, or Sarmo-Sycthians?


david885 4 | 22
19 Apr 2013 #1
Polonised Balts? Germanics? or Sarmo-Sycthians?

IMO, I'd imagine that while they are certainly linguistically related to Balkan Slavs, the plurality of their DNA is in fact Baltic in origin, with sizeable Germanic and Slavic admixture, and perhaps some Finnic in the East as well.
Ziemowit 13 | 4,533
19 Apr 2013 #2
I think it will be much better for you to go back to your classroom rather than flooding the forum with your "experise" knowledge.
OP david885 4 | 22
19 Apr 2013 #3
I take it you disagree with me. What is it you disagree with my point?
Rysavy 10 | 308
19 Apr 2013 #4
Did you actually read that website..? THAT for a SOURCE? OMG ROFL !

She is part of the culture I absolutely HATED about the Pacific NW. And baited mercilessly when I had the youth and inclination to. Mean but true.

I'm sure it is a source of butthert for her, being raised in Springtucky..heh! Though I'm sure her parents were thinking of safe and clean, which it hasn't had since the late 80s. She raises herself soo far above the wretched refuse of patchouli wearing, shroom smokin, "just say N2O" crowd of deadheads by virture of not doing drugs and bathing. But she also doesn't mention the simple local born boys who are simple sensible farmers and NOT inbred, working class or others who also raised to her lofty status by way of higher education. Or why her parents moved there.Or why she is so new age frou frou herself.

She's mostly homeschooled so her parents could keep her secular view of the world and the country that sheltered them.
This quote tells she is American who says she is not because she romatizes her ancestry:

One thing that I have not mentioned yet, but believe to be of utmost importance is that although I've spent my life so far in the United States of America, I am most definitely, absolutely, not an American. Both my parents originally came here from the European country of Lithuania. They came to the USA before I was born, so it wasn't really my own choice to live here and not elsewhere.

Hmm..she is over 18-why hasn't she tried to change her citizenship if her parents love Lithuania so much, they must still be holding citizenship there. She has had four years to apply for the change. though it would kick her off school benefits.

and THIS one is most telling:

I'm double majoring in Art History and Medieval Studies. At first I wanted to major just in History, but I was disappointed to learn that history majors are required to attend too many classes outside my personal realm of interest. I naively thought that I could get a degree in history by learning only European ancient and medieval history, and I didn't even think that a larger part of my education would have to include Asian, American, African histories, which are subjects that don't interest me in the slightest

L-O-L all that nasty "other" history that conflicts with her imposed view of the world ..Bwahahahahhaa! And wastes her time making her well rounded for her degree.

Thanks David...I haven't had a laugh like this in ages.
When I dressed up for Ren faire? I didn't actually believe I was who I portrayed >_<

The sooner she moves to Lithuania the better.. though I notice that she plans to further her education in Oslo and not in wonderful Lithuania..LMFAO

Ugly Eugene Oregon:

Homely Eugene-

or 'Beautiful" Vilnius?:

So having some red roofs makes for that much better?

And Eugene started as trading post and a lumber town on two rivers. Yet had universities early on. It is restricted in growth by nat'l parks, terrain. Hasn't had a major 'war urban renewal' to pick and choose which buildings get rebuilt, while ridding the signs of yuky industrial districts.

I mean true; I romaticize about Hussars..but I admit I surely would shudder if my man today came home burly, saber wound across the face, unbathed , unshaved for months and said "cmere baby-I missed ya" . Then couldn't perform well because he was losing breath from the injury of crushed ribs when his horse fell on him on. LOL

And I do understand that you don't fit in well when raised "Old World". I felt closest to my Czech grandparents and my Portuguese one. And maybe I would have felt more "expat " if I had been homogenous in my ancestry. I was private schooled mostly. I disliked my peers.

But I know absolutely if I moved to Czech Republic or Portugal-even I still spoke fluent? I am spoiled by infrastructure. I would feel like I was blasted back to stone age. I would have a lot of adjustment to live in EU. It is why the thought I MIGHT move there in 5-6 years has me prepping my psyche now.

Things like; used to a lot of space and a lot of stuff. I am whiney when I live in less than 1500sq ft. 2 bathrooms a must. And I love the luxury of fridge and freezer... heheh! she has some big changes ahead of her!

I know I'm teasing a lot ... but really ...using that website as source? for anything?
She doesn't even cite where she snagged that map, if it is even historically acurate. She is 22, coddled and homeschooled and just barely into a Uni and already complaining about 'their' unfair expectations for degree.

And you know what? IMO? I bet she is going to school on a grant like half of oregon does. Or worse a student loan that if she goes ot Europe, she wont repay.

Why don't you just outright say what theory you are trying to confirm david? So far with the direction of your threads, the vibe I have now is that you want to confirm that all of Silesia is ethnically German in majority and belonged once to Germany (among others) and...?

I am pretty sure there are threads here already that can give you all the information you could ever need with good bibliography reference even.
OP david885 4 | 22
19 Apr 2013 #5
What website? I'm cofusing what you said because your post have nothing to do with this thread, sorry.
Rysavy 10 | 308
19 Apr 2013 #6
vaidilute.com? you reallydidnt check through it to see how valid it could be as a source? really? wow

My post -aside from the trolly teasing about the author of that website- is saying that your source is not likely close to valid. Welcome to PF. I don't have to live in Poland or be Lithuanian to smell a load of horseapples on a self promoting website ^_^

Or wonder why you used it as a source.
I disagree with the direction of your musings so far ...and don't feel like doing the research FOR you
I wonder why you started new threads when these subjects are already up...
hopefuly the mods will merge you to where this belongs and if they erase my post while doing so? *shrug*
I still will say you use questionable "easy" sources that you yourself are not reading through.

khazaria.com/genetics/poles.html

This may be of interest for you... a lot of dry reading but has solid data regrardless of the effeciency of the research available in their parameters

Admixture estimates showed minor Slavic paternal ancestry (~20%) in modern eastern Germans and hardly detectable German paternal ancestry in Slavs neighbouring German populations for centuries.

last study in list...
OP david885 4 | 22
19 Apr 2013 #7
I wonder why you started new threads when these subjects are already up...
I'm just interesting and i don't think you can find thread like this with similar topic..

Back to topic, who are the Poles in your opinion? Slavicised Germanics? Slavicised Balts? Slavicised Sarmo-Scythians? Or proto-Slavs with significant Germanic ancestry in the West and Baltic ancestry in the North East? I'd love to hear Polish members' opinions and of course, non-Polish members' opinions. :)
Rysavy 10 | 308
19 Apr 2013 #8
there are more ....but Here: (and Im not being trolly no more ^_^. That website was just too much for me to resist)

https://polishforums.com/history/silesia-people-consider-themselves-silesians-64345/
https://polishforums.com/genealogy/consider-gorals-lemkos-silesians-poles-64934/
https://polishforums.com/history/upper-lower-silesians-came-62988/
https://polishforums.com/genealogy/silesians-people-german-germanic-60529/
https://polishforums.com/news/poland-germany-provoke-using-silesian-52283/

Oh and my opinon on the question? I believe in general that Polish are part of a north influenced proto-slav genetic group and shared little with ancient germanic. This is excluding any admixtures in more recent centuries with border changes, wars andn dispora caused by such.

https://polishforums.com/history/poland-decided-germany-interfere-silesia-51226/
https://polishforums.com/history/silesia-occupation-48887/
Ironside 51 | 11,499
19 Apr 2013 #9
Back to topic, who are the Poles in your opinion?

Avatars of gods.
Richfilth 6 | 415
19 Apr 2013 #10
Back to topic, who are the Poles in your opinion?

They're people, just like everyone else. Anything else is just a pointless label.
Space Cadet 1 | 19
19 Apr 2013 #11
I thought Poles were Western Slavs of the Lekhitic group, slightly mixed with Germans, Eastern Slavs and Lithuanians.
OP david885 4 | 22
19 Apr 2013 #12

Thanks for your accurate answer!
Rysavy 10 | 308
19 Apr 2013 #13
Lekhitic group

Is that not the Language group ..... which is NOT one and the same with DNA?

David you were seeming to want infomation on genetic roots. No one was arguing the language group.

and a one line answer which the person was unsure of and has no data is now ACCURATE...

You don't have many of the long term Polish members answering because they have already gone over this often. There ARE threads already.
But since data is not required I shall second this:

Avatars of gods.

grubas 12 | 1,390
20 Apr 2013 #14
Hmm..she is over 18-why hasn't she tried to change her citizenship if her parents love Lithuania so much

Why?Many people have dual or even multiple citizenships.

I would feel like I was blasted back to stone age. I would have a lot of adjustment to live in EU. It is why the thought I MIGHT move there in 5-6 years has me prepping my psyche now.

Don't move,you wil be shocked and you may never recover.

2 bathrooms a must

This will be a problem.

And I love the luxury of fridge and freezer

You can ship your fridge and freezer from the US. Plenty of Americans do that when they moving to Eastern Europe.
Rysavy 10 | 308
20 Apr 2013 #15
I'll answer you in off topic for when we arrive there... ^_^....
Sparks11 - | 335
20 Apr 2013 #16
Really! What a silly question. The Poles are the people who live in Poland and/or have Polish citizenship. It's really as simple as that. Talking about DNA? Silesians have more Anglo-Saxon I'm sure, just as Poles whose families have been living in Suwalki for generations probably have more from the other Baltic States. DNA proves nothing. People migrate, borders change. Why would anyone write such an article full of pablum?
grubas 12 | 1,390
20 Apr 2013 #17
The Poles are the people who live in Poland and/or have Polish citizenship. It's really as simple as that.

No, it's not as simple as that.In fact your definition is simply wrong.
archiwum 13 | 125
20 Apr 2013 #18
Poles are Slavic, which is a indo-european.
Sparks11 - | 335
21 Apr 2013 #19
No, it's not as simple as that.In fact your definition is simply wrong.

Care to share, mon frere ? You may cite, for example, the folks living in Grodno who have Polish heritage, Lithuania, perhaps. My point is a general one, if you want to classify a group of people you need to set clearly recognizable parameters. Trying to figure out where the people living within the boundaries of the current borders of Poland came from is silly. Everything changes.


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