Monthly income for family - Warsaw

And you think it's right for educational resources to be diverted from the children who were there already and who will likely be there for the full period of time, unlike economic migrants? Bear in mind that there's no way a school will have a Polish assistant AND a teaching assistant - so that's the help for the other children gone. Not exactly fair, especially as it's a lifestyle choice.


They did it because they're obliged to, not because they're 'nice' or anything.


You do realise that most European countries would do exactly the same for a foreign child?

It's only really the UK and Scandinavia that funds such things - most other countries simply don't. I know of the German system - and there's no extra help there. The parents are expected to pay for it, just like in Poland.

All children have the rights to education under the Polish constitution Article 70:

fine and dandy- but doesn't mean it happens. Written on paper is not the same as in the classroom. Sure I think English speaking kids would be better treated than Roma children- but it doesn't make the transition any easier, particularly not knowing the language.

Your article doesn't say anything about every teacher having the right to earn fair wages.---which is not happening now. Polish public school teachers are poorly payed. case closed. So going above and beyond the call of duty is not the norm.

They receive education - while the Roma children are arguably discriminated against, foreign children aren't.


I would argue that the Polish system is in accordance with the law.


The education is available to foreign children (not to Roma though), and the exact meaning of "organizational assistance" would need to go to the Constitutional Tribunal to be interpreted.

As it stands, Poland is doing what the vast majority of countries do - nothing.

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Give some examples this is all new to me.


Like many other professions in Poland, teaching is for love not for money.

Thanks to all for your inputs.


could you pls explain the difference between basic package and the full coverage in a few words? what are the important things which appear in "full coverage", and are missing in the basic package?

The company offers 2 options - Medicover or LuxMed - can you say anything about those two?

oh ya, my favourite subject.

These two are private clinics and hospital. They are health care for sale. Poland has a two tier system. Medicover has all new clinics and equipment, Luxmed is also good.

We don't pay for monthly healthcare anymore- rather- we pay as we go.
As a family we don't really get sick except for a cold. My youngest, however, has broken a thumb and a collar bone. About two years ago my youngest got her finger slammed in a door. I drove for about 45 minutes in traffic to get to the brand new Medicover hospital (we paid monthly) where I was promptly turned away at the door.

The doctor told me to go to the childrens hospital on the other side of the river. I asked her if she even wanted to look at the thumb to which she replied no. The childrens hospital is public and for the most part the dr.'s don't speak English. So then I drove home, called my husband in tears and he came and got my daughter. The public hospital saw her right away and put a cast on it.

The next day my husband called Medicover to get a hold of the dr. that turned us away. He asked her, calmly- not yelling, what kind of dr. she was to refuse somebody, she didn't even look at it, we pay money for service, etc etc- then called Medicover and cancelled and called her boss.

Medicover harassed us for a month trying to get us back.
So now if we have a problem we go to Luxmed. We pay when we need it only instead of a monthly fee. They have good clinics and a new hospital.

The thing about these private companies is that they can't offer full services so they send you to a public hospital depending what the problem is- so we were paying monthly to go to a public hospital.

It is health care for sale- and since I am Canadian- I am not really used to the two tier system.

Full coverage and basic package differ in things like having a baby- check their websites they should have all the info in English.

Pip, thanks for your detailed answer


so I conclude that in case you come as a private customer and pay on the spot - you get much better attitude...

but I assume that in case of hospitalization or surgery in their clinics - it might be too costly without insurance package?

If we have an accident than we go to a public hospital--which if we had monthly private coverage--they would send us to anyway because the luxmed or medicover hospitals are not equipped for emergencies.

Actually, now that I think about it- about 5 and a half years ago I was cutting something with an exacto knife and I slipped and cut my wrist- right where the vein is. I just missed the vein but there was a lot of blood. my husband called medicover and their ambulance came and picked me up but took me to a public hospital.

You should start by investigating why there is such a high percentage of Roma children in special schools - and why many of them aren't actually intellectually handicapped, but are placed there on the basis of not speaking Polish properly. Won't happen to foreign kids, because their parents would raise hell - but it's one reason why the Roma are socially excluded.

I wonder - does paying for Medicover/Luxmed get you to jump the queues in the public hospitals?

Only IMC cover will get you to the front of the queue or knowing the specialist.