Either you are a troll or just not intelligent enough to look at things outside of how you want to look at them.
I never said 99.9% of Polish people as a whole for example but that seems to be what you assume I said, because I would guess theres a lot of people in Poland who have high skill sets but they do not come across here as they do not need to.
Are you really that petty or nasty to really twist something around to your own bias.
You never denied that the majority were in certain jobs yet you take offense when I make a comment that basically says that, how would you propose we get the real figure then, lets say it was 84.69 would you want the exact amount? Either way it shows the majority would be of certain work groups.
And in reality how many high skilled Polish workers do you think are across here? Bear in mind that Polish people overall make up a minority of the UK population.
Either you are a troll or just not intelligent enough to look at things outside of how you want to look at them.
I'm neither, it's you who makes offensive statements and then lacks a pair of testicles to admit when pointed out.
I never said 99.9% of Polish people as a whole
No, you meant the Poles who moved to the UK and that's what I meant too.
I would guess theres a lot of people in Poland who have high skill sets but they do not come across here as they do not need to.
What? That's the whole idea of moving abroad, because you get an attractive job offer like: IT developer, doctor, engineer and many more.
And in reality how many high skilled Polish workers do you think are across here? Bear in mind that Polish people overall make up a minority of the UK population.
about 20 to 25%, it's hard to estimate as it's not easy to categorize exactly which job is high skilled and which is not.
Would this be the final straw for even the most liberal minded citizen of the UK. Ever since the traps were lifted in 2004 and the Poles arrived in their hundreds of thousands by National Express coaches, opinion has been divided whether Poles are actually wanted here. Some say 'great workers, polite, accommodating etc. and others despise them for undercutting them, driving down salaries, forcing up rents and living for large groups living in houses built only for a normal sized family putting strain on the infrastructure.
Their communist background makes meaningful conversation difficult as their parents have instilled in them from birth not to talk to the priest, doctor, neighbor etc for fear of being informed upon by the informer.
Now that they have grown in numbers, all the pseudo 'lefties' who welcomed them doing their gardens, looking after their children, fixing their building will be looking on anxiously while those on the right will be proven right. The Poles acknowledge our superiority by coming here and doing work that no self respecting person would do for jackpot salaries of £6.50 per hour but now they have grown so big that they are having their first protest march. Should they be kicked out now?
Their communist background makes meaningful conversation difficult as their parents have instilled in them from birth not to talk to the priest, doctor, neighbor etc for fear of being informed upon by the informer.
You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Troll off.
"It has been proved beyond all shadow of a doubt 'Goofy the dog' that immigrants take more out of the infrastructure, public services, health care, education than what they actually contribute."
"Far from being a drain on the nation, migrants actually make Britain a more prosperous place, according to a major report by researchers at University College London last year. It found that immigrants from the European Union who came to Britain between 2000 and 2011 paid out £20 billion more in taxes than they received in benefits."
That's from the newspaper story you yourself quote today, Oxon, or should I say Alison?
oxon, You shouldn't assume that all poles that go to the uk are there just to collect minimum wages and work in jobs that you consider menial.
before I retired to Poland I employed a number of polish contractors to maintain our companies global network structure, I had found difficulties in the past to employ people with the high level of skill that is required to keep things safe, these guys were highly educated and competent at their job, they earned between 70k and 120k per annum.
I started work on a work training scheme on the lowest wage possible, I had a second job hand mixing cement for 25p a wheelbarrow and went to college in the evenings
I did ok doing "Menial" work i managed to improve myself and progress my career which then allowed me to retire early at 50.
I guess my father did the same after he was demobbed from the army, he swept floors in the factory until he worked his way up to operating a steel rolling machine in a foundry.
At the end of the day people as European citizens are free to move around Europe be it for work pleasure or retirement.
It's great that we are now all able to live in a democratic Europe and i'm sure you will be able to vote on the In/Out European question sometime soon.
Guess i maybe off topic a bit here not sure, sorry if I am
I know quite a lot of Poles that are working in England and every one of them either works in a well paid profession or runs their own businesses and employs other people and they all pay in to the tax/NI system.
That's from the newspaper story you yourself quote today, Oxon, or should I say Alison?
Who is Alison and why do you say that "oxon" is Alison?
The Poles acknowledge our superiority by coming here and doing work that no self respecting person would do
It has always been entertaining to read oxon bragging about British superiority and I think this is exactly the point he tries to make. At least he is fair and honest in doing so, unlike most of other British people on the PF who are deeply convinced about British superiority, but pretend otherwise.
But Wulkan has obviously integrated pretty well into boringly uneducated British society, as in the pub talk of "Yes , that's my motor parked (ostentatiously) outside the pub. It cost me 50 big ones".
+1 How do we term those needing to emphasise how much they make/own/can afford? And what is a sign of in terms of personality and self-worth?
I have. But it seems to me that Oxon has only picked it up from Alison's comment to add more venom to his own post on the PF.
Alison's comment on theindependent's website: Even today, it's difficult getting into anything other than a superficial conversation with Poles as they have been taught since birth not to speak to the shopkeeper, doctor, priest etc for fear of being informed upon and a visit from the Sluzba which was their KGB or Stassi.
It is quite odd to write such a bizzare stuff about Poles being taught not to speak to the shopkeeper, doctor etc. The young generation who goes to the UK for work do not remember the days of communism. Besides, it may be true for the Soviet Union much more than for Poland or for Poland of the 1950s when you could get a prison sentence of three years for telling a joke about comrade Stalin (just today I was reading about such a case in "Gazeta Wyborcza" in the article by Krystyna Kofta on her late father). Both Oxon and Alison are very far from the reality of Poland.
Will the lorry drivers that bring in illegal immigrants also be striking? I see that there's another Polish driver caught bringing in people to the UK.
Poles must be killing themselves with laughter at the weakness and stupidity of our politicians who opened the borders in the first place.
Its quite funny how Wulkan is basically attacking British people every chance they can get such as calling people subhuman, yet quick to mention how they have such a great life yet if anyone gets annoyed they turn round and act like the victim.
Its a shame as I have no issue with Polish people but they seem to just want to cause an argument, I suppose its easier to play a victim card and say everyone else is evil than admit their own personal faults.
I think its just a fact that the majority of British people just don't want you here in Britain, no matter how matter how you try to justify your worth to the economy the vast majority of Brits don't see any value in you culture or attitude.
Mainstream press is rather pointedly different to sites like Migration Watch Roger. So many thousands of Poles do not earn enough to pay taxes and in the first place and they do not spend it in local shops. Polish women marry Nigerians or Paki stanis to gain them access to the EU and from there to the UK, Polish drivers are bringing in illegals and whats it all for ...a few hundred quid and no, they don't care and why should they. A Polish rickshaw driver tried to charge tourists £200 in London for a 10 minute ride but to them the UK is just a big economic playground for them to dip into when they feel like it causing misery for others. Have a look at a typical days role call in Horseferry Road magistrates court and all you see are Eastern European names alongside 'extradited'.
Although most people who have come here did not live in the Iron Curtain age, their parents did and they instilled their values. But all this isn't new to Poles. Adolf Hitler wouldn't take a job in the 30's because quote, "the Poles come here and work for a pittance" so he just carried on painting in the station.
I just cannot understand why you think we need all this. Why do you upset us so much? Where is your dignity, national pride , self respect, etc?
and please don't say that very few come for the benefits benefity.org.uk
I can,t bear to think how much my wife and I have spent establishing ourselves on this farm...renovation of buildings buying tractors equipment.......new cars etc.....spend, spend, spend......but maybe I see your point, I doubt that I have brought anything of a higher nature to Poland......but I have kept a fair few in work, rough estimate...half a million pounds.....and of course I will keep on spending for the next 20 years......I hope!!!
As an immigrant you are certainly 60% less likely to claim Polish benefits than Polish citizens and have in fact helped Polish citizens themselves from claiming from the Polish tax payer.
And less likely to claim benefits in the UK than someone born there. The recent Polish migration, like immigration in general, has brought economic benefits.
The last one on your table seems a bit out though. It says that immigration has no effect on employment or unemployment but it he employs people on his farm so avoiding unemployment for the native folk, so it does have an effect really, but only a good one. So I agree it has brought economic benefits in this case.
Jon 357 Before we begin Jon, I have to say that your cerebral response to Migration watch was "dodgy".
And now we have Lithuanians, Hungarians, Poles etc boasting online that they can come to the UK, get a European Health Insurance Card (intended for British people travelling abroad) in a matter of days as a visitor, return to their homeland and their hospitals will accept the cards which the NHS, (funded by the British tax payer) has paid for? What's wrong with you people ? Have you no self respect, dignity, national pride?
Five facts that you conveniently block from your mind.
1.There are many foreign born medical staff in the UK, not just doctors. For every foreign doctor, nurse, dinner lady, cleaner that works in the NHS , they bring with them a husband / wife, three children who have to go to school unable to speak English who hold back the rest of the pupils until they catch up. Then the family apply for the extended family to join them.
2. Many Brits live abroad and why shouldn't they? They don't all travel together on National Express coaches, live in suburbs en masse turning them into ghettoes. They don't apply for unskilled work taking jobs away from the locals standing in street corners drinking unable to afford the price of a local pub's beer. The ones that retire to Spain residing in some Little Britain drunk and burnt all day keep themselves to themselves in their own community and in fact create jobs for the locals in terms of cleaning up after them.
3. Any trip to a job centre will tell you that immigrants will have no hesitation in claiming benefits if they can get away with it. It is because of immigrants that everything has tightened up.
4. Subjective 5. Most studies? What about the important factual studies?
