Daniel Pelka murder: Polish mother and stepfather face life sentences

A very sad story.


theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/jul/31/da niel-pelka-murder-mother-stepfather-guilty

what a pair of lowlife knuts why do people like this come to the UK for an easy time?

Do we know if they were known to social services or had criminal records in Poland before they came here?

Hard to say. They may have met after they left. Also there's often the idea that the parents know best. We can see here that it isn't always true.

And the UK taxpayer will doubtless have to foot the bill for keeping them in jail, since they are unlikely to want to serve out their life sentences in a Polish jail.

Seemingly the guy was wanted in Poland and would be jailed if he returns

Beyond evil. RIP to the poor child.


A tree, some sturdy rope, a shovel and a few bags of limestone.

Should get some change out of a crisp one hundred bill.

I hope Daniel is in a better place now and those bastards who made him suffer get what they deserve in jail!

And they got it.

Yes, you rightly ask why Poles come to UK. I don't want any Polish people in UK and any British (including their businesses, like Tesco) in Poland. The hate the Polish people have to bear in England is a good reason for Poland's breaking any ties with UK. Happy?

Which American member do you normally post as?

Why are you asking? Do you say I post here as an American, under another nick? Prove I do. Are you British Americanophobe? You hate each other, don't you? :)

very sad.
what's even sadder, is that no one wanted to get involved.
he could've been saved :(
it's always the innocent children
they should get 25-life!

20, 000 kids under eleven were put on record for committing hate crimes in the uk in one year alone -

But they ignore a stick thin kid, sporting two black eyes and who was regularly caught robbing sandwiches and rooting through bins to find some scraps of food.

What a messed up system. How did these cretins run an empire? Its baffling.

Quote from the mother of the mother of the child

She said: "I don't know how guilty she is. She was under his [Krezolek's] influence but also England - the British state - are responsible."

"She was a normal girl, we were a normal family. It wouldn't have happened in Poland."

"Will I see [my daughter] before I die?"

I'm sure she will. They will no doubt apply for a transfer to Poland, get a far lesser sentence and be working with children in a few years!!!

the daughter has every right to see that her mum gets a visiting order. however, i'm not sure if they get sent to Poland.

it's very convenient that we can blame the rest of the world even after being damned by the evidence of our crimes.

social services, teachers etc may have failed, but that is not a get out clause for murder.

people just don't want to get involved.
it's not peculiar to the UK. it occurs very often here in the States as you all know :(


can you say denial?

Once she accepts the sentence and doesnt appeal - she is free to apply for repatriation and to serve her sentence out in Poland. If she decides to appeal, she cant apply for repatriation until the appeal process is fininshed.

The decision then rests with the home office, but repatriation is normally approved.

Im quoting from memory but it falls under EU legislation.

They get sent anywhere in the world. I wasn't suggesting she should be denied this right. It would be her opportunity to find out the truth.


It's more complicated than that. For example yesterday in the news early in the day a big mission to round up illegal immigrants was announced. Later in the day, this news was erased. Basically because it was aimed at particular cultures. There is a big fear of not offending other cultures with government employees. PC gone to far. The media is even filtered these days so there is barely a mention of crimes committed by immigrants. Fear of inciting racial hatred.

I'm afraid it's really not that complicated.
for example, I'm the teacher. I see the bruises; I see the rooting for food; I see the progressive loss of weight. I call the police annonymously.

If one of the kids 'parents' joined the edl, the kid would be alive and in foster care.

what is the edl?

English Defence League


Quite possibly.

Poland

3000 children missing a year
1700 babies sold (The one's that are known about)
Tier 1 Child trafficking country

If the government is reluctant to get a grip. What can you expect from some of it's people.

The true measure of civility in any society is how well it looks after its most vulnerable.

Britain failed Daniel.

thanks for that, but it has nothing to do with what i said.

i was talking about a 'visiting order', which is a piece of paper.

Read above. Its self explanatory. Chalk and cheese I would say.

At what point does the state step in and limit the parents authority? It is certainly a tricky one. The child is Polish, I suspect he held a Polish passport and I suspect and the parents had no affiliation with UK other than being here. There are all sorts of legal implications and then you have cultural differences. What is acceptable in Poland may or may not be acceptable in the UK, but schools and government departments are warned repeatedly about discriminating against culture. I experience this in school at any meeting with teachers when they blast on about how they support Polish culture. I doubt they really know what it even is. I don't and I've been with Polish people since 2005.

I have no doubt intervention would have saved the child and in that respect the child was desperately let down. The result of the public enquiry will bring to light the failings, and who is, and why they are to blame for the lack of intervention.

A couple of years too long and we will know.

When the Polish kid in Norway was removed from her parents and kidnapped by that Rutkowski guy, I remember reading furious posts here from people who believe the state should never intervene and that the parents also know best.

We need the Norwegian approach - far greater funding for social services, stronger child protection and no messing around.

I wonder what happened to the kid who was kidnapped from Norway and given back to its deeply dodgy parents.

Of course they would send it to Poland. They won't pay for the trip though :-)

It's very regulated by law. The social services have precisely defined duties and limitations. The year on year budget cuts make it even harder for them, and the government's planned database of all children was scrapped due to the costs of setting it up. That would have stopped some children falling through the net.

The nationality of the parents is irrelevant - the law requires makes the state responsible for the welfare of all children physically present in the UK, regardless of citizenship issues.

Agreed Jon. Protect first and be damned afterwards which is how the English court system does work if one of the parents is well meaning. It takes around an hour to get a prohibitive steps order and temporary residence order if you know what to do and which court to go to. Once that's in place you can then fight it out in court away from the child.

If the state have to do it as an emergency measure, the committee that is automatically convened have to look into the child's best interests immediately and also have to work with the Crown Prosecution Service. This doesn't always happen though - a radical intervention isn't done lightly (or easily) by social workers, and when a child is in a terrible situation it relies too much on chance that the different agencies/professionals talk to each other. The children's database would have helped - the whole point of it was to flag up visits to the doctor, the hospital, concerns from the school etc and make them visible to all the professionals involved.