Demonstrations in Poland in defence of democracy.

that would mean a civil war my dear friend


the article 197 says that the modus operandi (ie how Tribunal proceeds and how rulings are to be made) of the Tribunal is determined by a bill passed by Sejm

Of course they have the right to rule on any legislation including the amended TK act, but they could legally do so ONLY IN KEEPING WITH CURENTLY BINDING LAW. Once they proceeded that way with the requried quorum of 13 judges they could hae deliberated and found the PiS-amended law unconstitutional. That would have really given the govt a run for their money. In other words, they didn't consider their options and hastily rushed to juidgement.

In other words, the constitution is whatever the ruling party (in the form of the party leader) says it is. Long live the glorious and correct party line, towarzyszu!

And, as is shown by the relevant court decisions, they did do so in keeping with the then binding law. Courts decide who has and has not acted in accordance with binding law, not unelected wannabe dictators.

Article 197 of the Cosntution clearly states that:
The manner in which the TK is organised and functions is determiend by legislation. Full stop.


Those are all in Brussels forcing their often hare-brained schemes and decisions down the throats of hapless EU countries!

Artykuł 197
Organizację Trybunału Konstytucyjnego oraz tryb postępowania przed Trybunałem określa ustawa.

Disturbing news : At the Opole song festival, attendees were banned from bringing in the Polish flag. Just like in previous times, the ruling power does not want the Polish flag to be displayed in public.

Just a tad bit of bias sensationalism on your part delph.
The real reason for the ban was explained by the festivals promoters by saying in previous years they were "a nightmare" because they blocked the view for many fans.

It has absolutely NOTHING to do with the ruling party what so ever.

Whe the promoter was asked about it his reply was, quote:
"The people behind them - not immediately behind them, but 20 or 30 rows behind them - can't see."
You couldn't see the acts - the flags were everywhere
Flags would be confiscated at the arena gates, he said.
"I'm doing everything I can to ban flags this year.
For some reason those that buy a flag want to be closest to the stage."

Oh but it does. The Polish flag is a symbol of freedom, and banning it is simply unacceptable, especially as the festival is broadcast on public television.

The real reason it was banned was because they didn't want the flag shown on public TV. Simple as that.

No banning it was most acceptable so everyone could enjoy the concert was the real reason, as the promoter stated.
Simple as that with no need to read extra into it.

Not just shown on public television: the festival is controlled by TVP, who of course are no tightly controlled by the 18% regime.

It was the scamster PO govt that intoduced all those blue EU flags, whilst Szydło appeared with only white & red ones (for which she was roundly criticised by PO's fédérastes). Probavly security concerns were involved in Opole -- a flag staff can serve as a weapon in a stadium or amphitheatre melee. Since the nonsense about the First Couple splitting up has fizzled, here are a few more nits for your badmouthing arsenal, since you're probably running low by now. Szydło is cheating on her spouse with the postman. Jarek is punishing his cat for urinating on the rug and sent him to bed without any supper. Pawłowska is actually a bloke in a wig and was recently spotted at one of Warsaw's homo joints where assorted perverts hang out. Kuchciński is actually a Bundeswehr plant in Merkel's employ. And Błaszczak is a double agent for the Russian GRU and Polish army intelligence, and neither side is sure where his true sympatheis lie.


If so, then the KODérastes should be banned from using it because they want only freedom for their own greedy, formerly privelged clique and to hell with everyone else. They are what the Polish people call the nachapani (those who have lined their pockets) and want the wyjebani (the f*cked) to remain trodden under foot where they belong?!


Better than being controlled by the single-digit losers!


Prof. Kamil Zaradkiewicz, muzzled, sidetracked and probably soon to be sackedm becuase he dared to voice an opinion with which that all-time champion of freedom and demcoracy Rzepliński didn't agree with. (If Poland gave a PC Dictator of the Year award, Rzepliński would win hands down"!) Zaradkiewicz has concisely summed up the dispute which is over who is to control Poland: the democratically elected authorities or a small band of political oligarchs?

Sorry Johnny, but it's completely unacceptable to ban a symbol of freedom like that. The only reason to ban the flag is to prevent it being shown on public TV - nothing more, nothing less. It's worth pointing out that the last group of people to ban the Polish flag in public were the Communists, when it was illegal to fly the flag except on certain days approved by the government.

Did you know that the 4th of June is celebrated in Poland as the Day of Freedom and Civil Rights? Did you know that there are a large amount of picnics all over Poland and abroad to celebrate it this weekend? No? There you go ;)

That is democratically elected scamster PO govt to you, bud.

you can fool all people for some time, you can fool some people for ever - but you cannot fool all people forever - this is the history of PO government

Don't you mean PiS? Or do you seriously believe they can deliver on even a fraction of the tax and spend promises they made to buy the votes of the gullible?

you might have missed it but last year crooks extracted 82 billion PLN from the state in undue VAT refunds - PiS is going to try to curb these criminal activities - 82 billion is almost 1/4th of Polish budget - it is possible that losses to the budget due to these illegal activities will be lower this year by 15 billion PLN - well thought out and restrictive law can eradicate these dealings altogether - which I hope for during the 4 years term - if PiS succeed in it they will surely have another 4 years in office

PiS have nothing to do with that 15 billion - it was planned by PO and the vast majority of the work was done by PO.

As for that 82 billion - that number, as I keep saying, is growing and growing by the day. I saw an article in wPolityce claiming that it was 100 billion - the reality is that the 15 billion number is about as high as it can possibly get. Realistically, I'd expect between 5-10 billion maximum.


There's already talk of an extra 1% on VAT because of just how much they're planning to overspend and how poor the economic data is in comparison with what was expected.

Still, amazing that PiS lovers are willing to defend the banning of the Polish flag from public life.

can you give me the source?

Sure.

ksiegowosc.infor.pl/rachunkowosc/zasady-ogolne/736074,Jednolity-Plik-Kontrolny-JPK-od-1-lipca-2016-r.html


PiS will claim credit for it, but the project was started by PO and the law was passed by PO/PSL.

A lot of people are unhappy with this, and it may have cost PO quite a few votes to Nowoczesna among business owners. The problem with the JPK is that it means the tax office will have access to complete financial records of a business. For instance - let's say that in a small town, Paweł the director of the US is friends with the boss of company A that is selling tiles. He looks into the JPK for company B that also sells tiles, and discovers that they've been selling huge amounts of tiles to company C in Germany. He tells company A about it, and company A is then able to approach Company C with a better offer based on the confidential information from company B.

It's potentially open to a huge amount of abuse.

You seem to have your mind made up not to look at this open mindedly as in my above post I pointed out the reason for no flags which was not my opinion like yours is just that.


No it's not as it has nothing to do with blocking the view of the performers from the crowd.


Matter of fact I did delph as I talk with my friends who live in Poland every week or so plus I have some Polish friends here in the States that have come over to work here.

Did you know that there are hundreds of Polish festivals held all over in just about ever State in the summer ? No ? There ya go.

Since this is your thread and you are the one telling your story here, (playing the devil's advocate) you can spin it and tell it any way that you want to.

The rest of us know the real reason why flags of any kind are not allowed at the concert and that is because they block the view of other concert goers. PERIOD !

the article states that the increase in tax income will be 200 to 300 million not 15 billion though

here's quite a nice article about the VAT gap - wyborcza.biz/biznes/1,148065,19884703,szalamacha-zabiera-sie-za-szara-strefe-bedziemy-mieli-wielka.html

the data in the graphs are from 2013 and 2014

it was estimatet for 2013 that there was 15 billion PLN of undue VAT refunds (illegal)

Well, this is exactly what is changing on the 1st July, nothing else. I don't know where PiS got the 15 billion number from - nothing else is changing in terms of tax law. I'd personally expect a bit more than 200-300 million, but we'll see.


You do realise that the festival is controlled and organised by TVP, which is controlled by the government? They aren't exactly going to openly admit to banning symbols of freedom because they don't want it on public TV, are they?


That's such a poor excuse that it's not even funny. The symbol of Polish freedom being banned during the weekend in which we celebrate Polish freedom is just...hilarious.

most Poles don't celebrate 4th of June - you don't see flags on private properties on that day - Rafał Ziemkiewicz explains why there is nothing to celebrate in his latest column on interia.pl

Well, delph before I'm going to read few posts here, I need to ask you a question - do you know that that the number of people on KOD plus PO plus Nowczesna demonstration some time past in Warsaw the same that allegedly gathered 240 000 people in fact gathered only 54 000 people.

You were amendment with 240 000 as a factual number. Did you lie or you have no clue about Poland? Which one is it? Fess up!

And the picnics and barbies and outings should not be confused as signs of support for the poor losers' camp. On fair-weather weekends many Poles engage in such activities. Most Poles are throughly sick of the daily TK nonsense on the evening news bulletins and of the boring sight of KOD rabble-rousers!

actually hardly any Poles celebrate it

Except the picnics all over Poland, concerts, meetings and more.


You could come up with a better source than someone who lives in Kaczyński's back pocket, really.


If they were, why did KOD receive far higher approval ratings than the government in a recent poll? ;)

Yes, like your source that 9 out of 10 provides erroneous, false or inaccurate info. Why do you even post? To annoy Polonius?

you probably never read Ziemkiewicz - he is hardly Kaczyński's puppet


picnics concerts etc at this time of the year are due to mostly good weather - hardly anywhere it is dedicated to the anniversary of 4th of June - sorry to burst your buble - oh wait maybe where municipal authorities got politicized like in bigger cities run by PO it is true now- but it was not true in the past (no special celebrations)

Aren't you the one always saying that poll results are not a reliable indicator of anything. All depends on how question was phrased, how representative the sample was; even the time of day and weather may influence the outcome.