Demonstrations in Poland in defence of democracy.

Really?! I shall cancel my subscription forthwith!

Who reads that lol. It's like reading Fakt with "I couldn't sleep because I was holding drawer" on front page. Daily Mail is totally leftist and rubbish. The Guardian is leftist too but at least they don't hide or moderate people's comments even when those often loath articles.

Do they have a correspondent in Warsaw? I'm sure they'd love to learn that they're now writing for the "leftist media" :D

Having said that, it says a lot that even the Telegraph ran the story.

Yeah, like every German after the war claimed to be a cook during the WWII if asked.


Doubt they are genuine. Scares? That KOD clowns anger more like.

I detect bitterness. Is it because your own nomeklatura origins are shameful?


Anger? Good. People make mistakes when they're angry.

Actually, yes. And he only writes about what happened (as opposed to certain Polonia Press). Good bloke. Although really not at all pink

There maybe should be shame, if someone's a kind of nationalist, but yes, his origins are nomenklatura, immensely privileged at the expense of others.

That's by the by though. The future is more important than the past, and Poland has a long and rich history of surviving such exploiters.

Haven't you seen him self-proclaim himself "the leader of the opposition movement"? Because of his frequency of appearance on the small screen to many he is the face of KOD whether or not he is actually in cahoots with Kijowski & Co. Word is going round that KOD want or plan to register as a social movement (or maybe already have) and possibly evolve into a political party. Would you know how rank and file KOD supporters regard Petru? Don't tehy ask what a banker and promoter of the owner/employee caste has to do with democracy?

Registration is ongoing as an NGO, but there's no plans to turn into a political party. People wouldn't accept it - the point is that it's a unified opposition and that party politics is left to the politicians. I can't speak for every region, but there's a strong feeling here in Wielkopolska that KOD should be independent of politicians even if individuals are aligned to particular parties.


From what I've seen here, there's no overwhelming support for him (or any politician). I know several people who are very clear that if KOD gets behind any one party, then they will no longer have anything to do with it.

Internauts on KOD:

wiadomosci.onet.pl/kraj/internauci-komentuja-manifestacje-kod-w-calej-polsce-zobacz-memy/m0j48l

That's one of the strengths of the Polish pro-democracy movement; it isn't dominated by any political tendency and is a genuine grassroots reaction to the current attacks on democracy and the constitution.

Care to elaborate what do you mean by that?


Congrats every statement in the sentence above is false, you have excided yourself.

You mean a grassroots reaction to the disentitlement (getting pushed away from the feed trough) of former privileged elites, including PZPR and nomenklatura types. That has about as much in common with democracy as a juicy f*rt does with Chanel No.5.

What's curious is that you keep throwing the ex-PZPR/nomeklatura accusation at KOD supporters when in reality, it's PiS that's filled with them.

30k Delph. Less than 30k.. Uahahah. Prepare to whine for at least 4 more years because idiots from KOD will achieve nothing. Will you still be moaning in 2018? Hahahahauha

You don't get it, do you? :D

The international media doesn't care about how many turned up. They care that the demonstrations are happening and that there's a highly visible opposition. They've written their stories (again) about how the government is behaving, and this in turn causes pressure on the government.

Remember, the powers that be can't read Polish.

So this is the KOD and EU version of Democracy in defence of which you're fighting? Tiny tiny wrong-minded minority must be right because they're loud? This is exactly why we Poles voted for changes and you anti-polish crowd cannot do anything about it. I wonder if you gonna stay in my country after you realise you're unable to make it suit your needs.

You finally said something true.

Less so than PO, but it's not PiS that stands to lose by being pushed away from the trough. It's the hateful, resetnful and desperate disentiteld oens, many ex-reds and SB snitches amongst them, that are raisng a rumpus.

Exactly. The effect on the markets from this is significant and the confidence of the business community in the Polish government's ability to run the country is at a low.

The effect on the markets and the EU of the hysterical protests and stitchery is undeniable. If the opposition had acted in a civilized manner and tried to launder their soiled linenes at home rather displaying them abroad and snitching world-wide, the markets would not have got the jitters. Without the sntichers' pressure and lobbying on the EU, Poland would not have been placed under surveillance. But the hateful ad resentful opposition eagerly undermine their country's reputation and will stop at nothing to get back to the trough. At present the EU is not keen about holding kangaroo court or passing resolutions over Poland the Sniotchinas and other Heil Petrus are pushing for it. Some have even suggested the NATO summit might get called off and are hoping it does so they can blame that too on the government. But this all he opposition's doing. Now they are blakmailin the president with an ultimatum and again broadcasting it far and wide knowing the hacks will pounce on the bait. I'd be ashamed to ally myself with such treacherous, ego-tripping renegades.

Use proper names in future

The effect on the markets costs people their jobs, reduces the value of people's investments, reduces the worth of the bonds that they're desperately tying to flog (and which some people hold already) and deters investment in Poland.

Not that PiS have ever though anything through in their entire existence. They simply don't care.

Hence the Polish pro-democracy movement.

And the effects are only just starting. Over time, the damage will accumulate and PiS simply won't be able to fufil their promises.

But the KOD rabble-rousers are willing to let the country suffer, lose jobs, scare away investors as long as they selfishly think that will somehow restore their waning privielged positions. BTW next time you circulate amongst the rumpus raisers ask about how many were in the PZPR. You may be surprised, although many will probably decline to answer or deny it.

It's visibly happening already. Businesses do need stability; they need to know that the business plan they have today will work tomorrow. Of course it's always jobs that go first. And yes, nobody here thinks PiS will be able to fulfil their election promises, especially as the instability they've caused in the business environment has spooked the markets seriously.

Hence the people attending the Polish pro-democracy rallies; normal people fearful for their jobs and for their children's jobs.

The aura of instability has been projected to the outside world by KOD's shenanigins. If they're worried about jobs then they're shooting themselves in the foot by doing everything to scare off job-creators. Remember how tourism fell off in Greece when day after day people worldwide saw street protests and clashes in Athens. KOD may be harmless, but seen from afar the mobs in the street create the impression of general chaos and instabiltiy, the more so when it is showntaking place in dozens of cities simultaneously.

And how did you react when some of the great British uneducated said to you ........ "What are you doing in my country"? Have you any idea how ridiculous and hopelessly outmoded (not to say discriminatory and hence actionable) that statement sounds?

I doubt market analysts or institutional investors have heard of it. The facts speak for themselves, and there is no doubt whatsoever that the PiS National Socialist regime have created nothing but instability.

The KOD name is unimporant. Investors also follows current events and a country plagued by constant street demos across the country is not perceived as a good place to set up a business. If PO get their way and pressure the EU into passing a Poland resolution, that will be yet another investment deterrent, whether or not that was the intention.

As PO have made clear, all PiS have to do is to accept the new judges into the TK and all is fine. If not, then the EPP will likely support a resolution against Poland in the European Parliament. The support of ALDE is assured, S&D will go along with it and the Greens-EFA too.

If PiS don't like it, they just have to obey the law. It's not difficult.