Demonstrations in Poland in defence of democracy.

You know, one of the tricks of the average Communist party when trying to consolidate power was to abuse the opposition with insults and suggestions that they should be 'exposed' and 'discredited'.

If PiS were genuinely against the nomeklatura, they wouldn't be appointing endless ex-PZPR members to top positions, would they?

Incidentally, as for 'bankster', you really need to remember that the biggest Polish 'bankster', Bielecki, has earnt millions while overseeing the financial disaster that is the SKOKi.

And another well-known trick of the average Communist party when trying to consolidate power was to abuse a democratcially elected government with insults and suggestions that they should be 'exposed' and 'discredited', delegitmised or even forcibly ejected (that's from Wałęsa BTW!) by ranting street rabble like that commandeered by KOD.

Guys, I think some of you are forgetting that the biggest campaign sponsor (someone as influential as the Koch brothers in the USA) of the PiS party, is what you call an "bankster"-the most talented polish buisnessman-Father Rydzyk-probably the most influential politic Poland had ever seen since Piłsudski. I dare say, that if you call others banksters, look at who sponsors your party, and who gives it the strictest voters. The Plan&Sabotage party has it's powerhouse thanks to "Radio Maryja". And the old grannys keep on urging their grandchildren and children to vote for the "PiSuary"

Dude, are you one of the usual suspect here? You are writing a lot of BS here for that to be a coincidence.

Under Gierek there were 3 mln PZPR members. Most of them were NOT nomenklatura but average Joes who joined to get ahead or at least help make ends meet. Nomenklatura were the upper-level wheeler-dealer types clever enough to switch from Marxism to capitalism safely land unscathed (thanks unfortunately to the lack of decommunsation) and thrive in III RP. They built up fortunes by hook or by crook that their families are living on at present. Kraśko (who forutnately got the sack today!) for insatance owns extensive acreage and stables of thorougbreds in Masuria. One doesn't make that kind of money even on generous TV journalist's salary, but he comes from a long-standing nomenklatura family -- his dziadek Wincenty was Gomułka's right-hand man.

so, i see that maiden joke doesn`t work in Poland. Good, good. Even behind good. Force is strong in Poles

Really? You sure about that? I can think of somebody who somehow managed to buy a house in a very posh Warsaw neighbourhood that is worth millions of zloty despite only having a far smaller print media journalist's salary.

I am currently in Poland. Dropped by to thank all foreigners that participated in those "save the democracy" bull crap protests and harmed the image of Poland. Hope you're happy. Let the PC and tolerance thrive in so called "civilised" West and make all countries experience what Germany is experiencing now.

Duda did that all by himself (though I'm sure, as a lap dog, he was ordered to by his master).

Nope. You and KOD supporters did that. Even the Tribunal judged you and alike were wrong. Besides. KOD protests were PROTECTED by police where protests in Germany some time ago were crushed and dismantled by the Merkel's Polizei. Why didn't you try to save German democracy back then? Thankfully an average Heinrich is waking up and starts to see how bad and how self-absorbed current EU Elite is.

How do you know I didn't?

Because then you'd know Germans shouldn't be teaching others about Democracy.

I've never suggested otherwise, whatever your overheated imagination may be telling you.

As a devotee of Rule of Law (and not Rule of Party of Rule by Decree) I'm very much against the PiS led attempts to subvert the constitutional process and then try to patch it over with retro-active legislation. I'm equally against Merkel's unilateral decision to suspend normal border controls in other countries and attempts to force the results of her unilateral decisions on other countries like Poland. The only reason Poland should accept any "refugees" is the certain knowledge that they would immediately return to Germany, though for reasons of principle I'm not against not accepting any. Nic o polskiej polityce migracyjnej bez Polski, if you will.

Any questions? Haben Sie noch Fragen?

Please explain.

-actually if we used the same rule, Poland should be teaching the UK about tolerance, and the Mongols should be teaching Russians how to expand their empire, Poland should teaching Denmark social policies- time changes-people change-most of the people who voted for dictatorship in Germany are dead now, and right now, their democracy is actually better than the USA's (gerrymandering). I personally think that we should learn from Germany, and their mistakes-which we are clearly forgetting, letting a dictator make his way to the position of supreme leader-he ignores the constitution, (even though his parties name has "law" as half of their name), tries to control the media, his minister of foreign affairs trying to sell the rights of polish immigrants for making Macierewicz's plans to come true. Kaczyński is pretending to be Piłsudski, but he lucks the political talent, charisma(coming in as 3rd place in Warsaw after Kopacz and Petru) and Poland lacks the need for a dictator right now.

How? How is Szydlo saying "opposition will be vocal and they have very right to do so" then letting the protests occur and even protecting participants from radical rightist being against constitution and democracy? Why is no one saying anything about other EU countries not letting that to happen within their borders or about one country forcing their vision on another? That's what really is against their constitution, EU constitution and EU fundamental laws. Not wanting potentially dangerous so called refugees (yet again proven to exist only to destroy Western values) or not wanting to let tradition and culture to disappear (go ask an average Briton if he/she still feels home in his/her country) being against democracy? Today's forum of Polish parties with Szydlo shows that no internal political group consider our democracy endangered. It all escalated quickly because PiS government decision take a direct hit at some people business and limits their income. Those people are mostly from outside of Poland. I don't care about them. I care about Poles. How come whole West complained when Poland didn't want to accept immigrants but it's silent and generally ok with Germs sending 200 of them back to Austria on daily basis? This is not Union. It's a Clique.

Amen brother!

Well, how many migrants did Germany take in, and how many are now guests of Poland? There's your answer...

Reportedly one million last year and thousands more arrive each day. The end result will be the destruction of Germnay (not next Tuesday morning but within a few years). Germany will eventually implode under the weight and strain of dealing with the addiitonal crime, ethno-religious strife, terrorism and the related financial outlays and it will spread, affecting the economies of the whole continent.

Check in a year from now and we can resume our discussion.

I expect something bad to happen as well. Some German sources already talk about another 2 to 2.5 million new migrants who will arrive this year alone. This is crazy.

Only 15% of the population is still in favor of taking in more "refugees" this means that to continue her policy Merkel has to go against the stated wishes of overf 80 % of the population. That is untenable. It either won't happen or there will be mass revolt (and/or major economic hit as the Germans who make the economy work start leaving in similar numbers)

Focus on demonstrations in Poland or the thread might get closed.

I hope I'm wrong but it seems someone wants to trigger off civil war in Europe...

And demonstrations in Poland... well, we are a free (unlike Germany) and democratic state, they can squat there as much as they want.

Nowadays i think that only Germany, Slovakia and Hungary are free inside UE, since all others are under the dictatorship of political correctness.

I think we can now safely put this to bed Delph.

Once again, Poles have shown that they have no guts and no backbone, and are perfectly happy to be dictated to. The general apathy is deafening and the criminals are running the asylum.

I am retiring from public life to walk the dog. I kindly suggest that you metaphorically do the same, and let these losers damage their country if they so wish to do.

No. Absolutely not.

The latest dirty trick is that in Poznań, Korwin-Mikke supporters have organised some protest about "freedom of European women" - at exactly the same time and day (Saturday, 12:00) in the same place.

The demonstrations might cease, but only a fool believes that KOD are all about weekly demonstrations and nothing else.

So why do French seamen and farmers go crazy, and always get their way, and my brother and a million others got rid of that tyrant Thatcher - and yet Poles amble along to a town square for a jolly flag waving smiley Saturday lunchtime?

Sorry Delph, but this has no backbone and is pretty lame, as I said before. If KOD were prepared to actually FIGHT - I would be there. Otherwise, it's a middle class Hurrah-Henry thing, and I'm not interested.

Doug, one thing - what KOD are doing is very similar to what Solidarność did in the early days. They didn't seek to bring down the country - they tried to change it through small things that made a huge difference. They had their flying universities, they had discussion groups, they had people spreading the word through publications - all of these things were what made the difference after martial law was introduced. The mass demonstrations were good for publicity, but they were never going to change things by themselves.

I'm optimistic. KOD is still waiting for the registration as a political organisation - when that comes, then we can really get going.

Have faith :)

KOD = TARGOWICA! (Delph, ask some Pole what that means!)
That headline adorns the front page of weekly Do Rzeczy. By taking Polish rows abroad, crybabying and snitchnin on theri own country to Brussels, the Schetynas (notice I didn't type "Snitchinas"), Michnikites, Petruites, Neumanns et al are acting the same way the pro-tsarist faction did in the late 18th century which led to the dismemberment and foreign occupation of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. It's something to think about.

The comparison with Solidarność is fautly, because they rose up against a foreign-imosed puppet regime -- PRL. Pro-foreign-interest KOD on the contrary are trying to topple one of the most pro-Polish and "Poladn first" parties of the post-PRL period.

An American is comparing martial law of the 80s to current state hahaha. Time and time again they sensationalise everything, while the country is sick of Walesa and his "walesanie sie" on the internet.

Once again you are showing that after so many years of brainwashing, Tolerance, PC and multiculturalism waterboarding that you accept being basically homeless and consider your way of thinking as the only good and force it on others like a facist.