Demonstrations in Poland in defence of democracy.

Because the electorate have a choice and can vote with their feet. A 2 hour flight, a job paying 5 times as much in a free,low tax, non socialist country is every Pole's salvation.

Poland is a retirement home for good Catholics. The PiS government seem desperate to drive away investment with their magic socialist money tree. As a consequence, Polish affluence will be another decade away, if ever.

The young can emigrate, destroy that and the will start to give a f*** about Polands comedy politics.


Less than 50% of Americans bother voting because they realise it's pointless. Engaged? Nope.

What a contradiction in terms.

No.


The 18-30 demographic has _always_ been apathetic and ostentatiously apolitical in Poland (at least since the communist period). This might be partly because communism debased politics just as it debased everything else it touched.

The only exception I've ever seen was during the PiS government when they appointed Giertych as Minister of Education and he wanted to ramp up the patriotrism and pope-centered nature of the high school required reading list. People who had finished high school a few years earlier were actually concerned about was going to happen to future high school students. I'll always be grateful to Giertych for awakening the political consciousness of young educated Poles even if it didn't last very long.


For sure, if you want to turn young people against something, force them to learn about it in high school When I was in high school we had to take a class "Americanism vs Communism" (yes, that was the title) and it essentially turned us all into socialists for a time (I got over it after a few years). When I took it was also taught by an evangelical Christian who spent a lot of time hyping up his religion and it turned me against that too.

Did you jump with him at the KOD comedy ?

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Giertych appears to be a classic turncoat -- buoyed up by frustarted poltical ambition. He did try to re-Polonise the school curriculum in 2005-2007 but when PO won in 2007 he began cosying up to those in power. Once a good right-wing national conservative (the Giertych fmaily were known Dmowski-ites), he is now seeking a poltical foothold among frustrated liberal-leftist trough-defending losers and pro-foreign-interest types. It makes one wonder whether he harbours any genuine beliefs and values of his own or is merely a political opportunist.

I like this one better

youtube.com/watch?v=OVR0geqnKlA

Though this one is okay too

youtube.com/watch?v=5yw_8BR5Zmc


More projection?


To the .... displeasure of people that actually had to attend Polish schools


Stop beating around the bush, LPR was a proto-fascist party (down to the thuggish youth brigade). That's who PiS chose as a coalition partner, a proto-fascist. Remember that, why expect anything different this time around?


Who cares? If he stays out of politics I wish him no ill (I'm a very forgiving sort). I don't see him reviving his career anytime soon. If he does try to actively revive his career then I'm pretty sure I'd be against him.

So KOD crowd are proto-fascists ?

CORRECTION: The abbreviation PO/KOD inadvertently dropped out of that sentence. It should read:
--Ensuring that 14 of 15 TK judges are appointed by the PO/KOD side and serve the interests of the trough-defending camp with 1 recommended by everyone else.

Is it an arm of LPR?


Yes, they're defending the trough against PiS, no wonder PiS hates the constitution - it puts limits on their ability to plunder....

I guess the guy has changed from proto-fascist to a democrat once he chose to be PO's operative ?

Who cares? If he stays out of politics (besides occasionally adding comic relief) then I have no interest in him. If he tries to reenter politics as a Neo-Dmoswki-ite then I'll be against him. Will you? Or does JK have to tell you what your opinion is first?

LOL ! He was on the PO's lists during last elections.

also the famine and mass emigration....

That's exactly why we're against PiS. Anyone with a brain can see that it's very much a Party that provides great career opportunities for the loyal, regardless of actual talent or knowledge.

Still, these demonstrations are achieving great press coverage abroad, which in turn is piling the pressure on PiS. I read today that Duda is now suffering from mild depression because of just how negative the public are towards him.

Poor baby, it's not too late for him to find his balls and backbone..... or is it?

It transpires that his daughter is studying law at UJ, and of course, his former colleagues think he's a disgrace. Should've thought about that before you decided to completely ignore the law, eh Duda?

He should send her abroad to study. With all these sick feckers, no one knows how far they might go...

She might fail the year, oh no!

More to the point, it shows your way of thinking if you think that political assassinations are on the agenda. Fortunately, no-one within KOD thinks like you.

So far we've had only one.

He's not only depressed about that, he's depressed about his future career prospects, no more moonlighting at private universities to earn nearly a hundred thousand zloty a year on top of his generous salary from the taxpayer, no more chances to defraud the taxpayer for flights to work and back; instead just a few court dates and a rather different type of taxpayer-funded accommodation. Perhaps somebody could cheer him up by letting him know that lawyers usually have a slightly easier time in prison because other prisoners want to benefit from their professional knowledge?

Indeed. Greggy and the rest of the PiS activists here are so hung up on the demonstrations that they really don't understand what KOD is actually doing. Needless to say, the evidence against Duda is mounting.

Bronek is going to win in the 1st round...

A ;large slice of the blame lays with your buddies the RCC; when schooling was finally made available to Catholics in Ireland it was the Catholic Church who did so much very, very good work to get that to happen. However, they were against the teaching of Ireland as they say it as being regressive and they, wrongly, believed that if the population were ediucated only in English then their job prospects would be far better.

The thing about Israel was it was to re-establish an identity, with us lot, we know our identity, whatever language we speak we'll never lose that, thankfully :)


Yes and no. the thing is they didn't really crack down on Irish speakers as a target, they just targeted people who opposed them, be they English or Irish speakers.

You must take into consideration too that in large parts of the country Irish wasn't really the main language of the people. In places like Dublin, a viking city, Irish was never the main langiuage, there was even a period where you would hear more French than Irish. But that's a longer story. It's like we say at home, if you can trace your family back 5 generations within Dublin, you're English.


Of course.


Ireland for 600+ years, it's a surprise we survived at all really. Some linguists say that during those 123 years Polish stagnated. And they have a point. Languages in Europe at that time were more 'formal' and Polish is still quite a formal language, so if we were to say that while German, Russian etc continues to evolve, Polish kind of stood still for 123 years. It's certainly back with a bang now though and great that Poles never stopped speaking it.


And it's difficult not to disagree with that.
I'm Irish no matter what language I speak.
I think the only way to 'save' Irish is to either a) stop teaching it and let people become patriotic about it....like the Manx & Cornish languages, or b) Switch every thing to Irish, media, all govt documents etc.

I think a would work, b would be a disaster.

I hope the mods see that I'm replying to points made and this doesn't gettin binned.

On topic, I attended the Katowice KOD protest again and I think the numbers there were larger than the last. Certainly there were a good deal more younger people than the last time.

I wonder how long before we see any changes to what's on our TV screens? Surely it'll take 3-6 months before anything tv programmes of worth come out?

Yes, it's encouraging as to what's happening. But we need to remember that Poland is not just Katowice, Warsaw, etc etc - we need demonstrations in every large and small town across the country.


Stuff is changing already - journalists/hosts are getting fired and replaced very quickly. They're even replacing hosts on meaningless breakfast TV, which shows that it really is jobs for the boys.

Mmm looks like at least 50 thousand people.
katowice.naszemiasto.pl/artykul/manifestacja-kod-w-katowicach-wolne-media-zdjecia,3619207,artgal,t,id,tm.html

And instructions are already being issued as to who is and is not allowed to be invited to appear on current affairs programming.

Yea tbh if I was with the Ruch Autonomia I'd be workin my arse off to push for autonomy coz of all the bolloxology going on in Warsaw.

The campaign would be something like this
"look at those idiots in Warsaw, we should go out on our own here lads"


I'm waiting for these 'patriotic' shows. I wonder how good/bad they'll be and how many, if any, liberties are taken with the truth for 'dramatic purposes'?

There's this new show in Ireland at the moment called "Rebellion" it being 100 years since the Easter Rising, and it's being panned by everyone because it's not historically accurate enough for people. But I suppose they wanted to make it more dramatic so poeple would watch it. Can't win in a situation like that.

Crawl back under your rock.


Sure, you are talking rubbish as per usual.
Geez all those expats in Poland are indeed a leftie pure trash with limited IQ and no manners. After reading this thread and similar for the last month that conclusion is inevitable.

Keep up the constant flow of insults please! The utter inability of the PISed-up fanatics to respond to facts with facts and the way they can only rely on lies and insults does nothing but strengthen the position of the defenders of law and democracy in Poland! More please, more!

The beautiful thing is that English is an international language and PF also has an excellent place on Google, so anyone looking for information about KOD will come on here and find a torrent of abuse, lies and insults from PiS supporters and conclude that KOD must be right.

Poor Ironside.