Demonstrations in Poland in defence of democracy.

That's meant to be a headline. Ideally I'd have preferred to start a new thread but I know the mods would stick it into an existing one. The only alternative is to provide a headline in caps.

OH that MAKES it OK then.
I know FROM the NEWSPAPERS and WEBSITES that I READ that ALL headlines ARE in CAPITALS

............annoying isn't it?


A better alternative would be to stop posting forever.

Personal question....you know the troll story from the other thread, the paid troll who is paid to troll online forums and wesbites?
You are one of the them aren't you?
What's the pay? I'm thinking of a career change.

I meant everybody on PF. Secondly, no-one says IN ENGLISH "What the wh*re!"
And IN POLISH no-one says: "Gdzie pierdol byłeś?"
Idioms and swear-words cannot be directly translated and still make any sense.


ATTENTION ANGLO-EXPATS: Have your spouse, live-in lover, landlady or other Polish native speaker translate this for you. It shows that by comarpison PiS is but a gentle, little lamb.

FORMER PRESIDENTIAL HOPEFUL TELLS IT A HE SEES IT!

https://polishforums.com/po-polsku/polecam-strony-wiadomosci-sieci-polsce-52755/3/#msg1525029

You've just conveniently forgotten to mention that he was the candidate from a very right wing party that even PiS have nothing to do with it. What's with your constant promotion of very far right individuals on here?

I won't be surprised If she gets accidented soon.

Throwing something out for discussion is not promotion. I read GW regularly but you know what I think of the KPP-rooted Schechterites.
Even though his bombastic style may be reminiscnt of wildly gesticulating Lis' rabble-rousign during a KOD march, one should ask: does Kowalski) have anything meaningful to say? Itdoesn't speak to trough-defenders obviosuly, but many of his points do make sense to a lot of people: "KOD types are running the show forcing people yourself to emirgate or stay home and barely make ends meet." That speaks to a lot of Poles, atlhough the trough-defenders have failed to address themselves to such complaiints.

You do realize that this strongly implies that PiSites are impatient to start rooting around in the slop themselves, don't you?

Again, and again, projection. Someone who's in favor of PiS cronies robbing the citizenry blind will accuse others of having done so because that's the only politics they understand - plunder and corruption.

I expected better from you. My bad.

Dude, we had 8 years of that. And It wasn't anyone's "projection".

Do you even live in Poland and know what life looks like at ground level? Poland escaped the 2008 economic crisis and has been a model of growth for 8 years. Granted, the unskilled and uneducated haven't shared in that, but what? do you want PRL values back where a road construction guy made more than a doctor?

And if PO was so terrible, then please give some concrete examples of corruption and robbing the public coffers.

I do and I know that 1000 better than you do, economic illiterate.

Exactly. Another good day of pro-democracy protests and it looks like this will be a regular feature until democracy is restored.

I hope it wasn't too cold, will be much easier in the summer for you guys. It's a bizarre hobby but people like different things.

As I said, the interesting thing is that you can see that PiS are reacting in a very predictable way - their media and paid trolls are all over the internet screaming about KOD, but all it's doing is pushing even their voters against them.


There are no concrete examples, because Greggy is a PiS activist and therefore facts are lacking when they're involved.

I have posted this listing of 500 PO scams and muckups before, but you probably don't read Polish fluently. Find a native speaker to translate it for you:

ublogpress.pl/node/7889

P.S: Oh yes, the Brit Bullies naturally didn't bother to address any individual issues but simply dismissed it as an unreliable soruce. Very easy and convenient way of avoiding a substantive riposte. If you are serious, then Google any of those items and find out all the whys and wherefores, and then we can discuss things.

That list contains many blatant lies. It's just yet another work produced by PiS in an attempt to discredit PO.

Just for kicks though Polonius - 15.01, 15.02 and 15.03. Remind us what PiS will bring into law surrounding surveillance of internet users? Ah yes, the law that allows for the security services to spy on internet users without their permission!

Go PiS yourself, I bet I read a lot more fluently than you. I live in Poland rather than just fantasize about it.

and the link is as dead as your arguments

Perhaps, but it also contians many speciifc offences. Why not address some of those? Like the OFE heist in broad daylight to patch up the PO regime's budget. And don't+ say PiS will do the same to what's left of OFE. The bottom line is that Polish people were robbed of their savings.

I'm not familiar with the Internet surveillance, so clue us in. I do beleive there would be a lot less nonsense, hate, filth and profanity on the web if commenters were required to provide their full name and email address and not hide behind nicks.

Yeah, all "huge action" turned out to be 20 thousand people, mainly political activists, across the whole country. The whole thing turned out to be a big fail, even more and more "insiders" admit that.

It is fair to say that here in Wroclaw passers-by were exactly that.... passers-by. As well as the fact that those in Rynek, which adjoins Plac Solny, didn't seem interested. Not all of them were uninterested tourists. Judging by the numbers I would suggest that most of those taking part live local to the event. There is a lot of grey hair in those photos..... certainly the ones I took. Where were the militant youth ?

I would like this action to succeed, but without the numbers nothing is likely to change.

They don't seem to care do they?
I think when push comes to shove more people will be involved, it's always that way here.

They certainly don't seem to at the moment..

I'd like an opinion from Delph on this.

I think section leader delph is busy at the moment, probably working on citizen application.

"Where were the militant youth" probably at home where they should be unless they want a thick ear from mum or dad.

They can march or not march till they're blue in the face and nothing is likely to changte anyway until 2023. By then PO, Petru and other will be only a memory. By then Poles will be living in a truly free and sovereign Poland, free of unwelcome German poliitcians interfering, foreign banks and retaile chains exploiting the nation and foreign corporations paying starvation wages to their Polish employees and locating toxic industries on Polish soil. So also in 2023 PiS are likely to get re-elected to continue their good changes policy.

Your vision of utopia.

Either in the past illusion never changed into something real though there is a man who claims that dawałem z siebie wszystkom, i mądrość, i odwagie...

How would you describe the Trough Defenders' vision of utopia?

--Putting Duda, Kaczyński and other prominent PiS politiciasn before the State Tribunal.
--Ensuring that 14 of 15 TK judges are appointed by and serve the interests of the trough-defending camp with 1 recommended by everyone else.
--Poland back on the leash of foreign bankers, retailers and corporations;
--Poland that is "market friendly" once again, meaning exempting foreign capitalists from paying their fair share of taxes, allowing them to transfer most of their profits out of the courntry and bending over backwards to please the Poles' Western masters.

--Poland allowing foreign domination of the private press and broadcasting sector and their unrestricted flooding of the media with foreign content.
--Poland bending over backwards to assure the nomenklatura-entitlement crowd of continued preferential treatment and overrepresentation in the halls of power and privilege.
--Poland guaranteeing the above caste domination of the public media.
--Poland catering to foreign mega-retailers and effectively pushing Polish family-owned corner shops out of business.
--Lowering the school-starting age to 5 and raising retirementage to 70 across the boards.
--Reinstatement of the middle school.

Many older folks, usually with bored faces saying "can we end this show already?" is something I noticed too on the pictures from these demos. Where do they come from ? I don't know. Some conspiracy theories say they get paid for attending these events... but I think that would be too risky. Perhaps their children that are members of the opposition parties push they out over there.

Some protester...

It's a question that we discussed here in quite a lot of detail. There's no good answer for it - the youth aren't behind PiS in any number, and the only politically active youth are blindly supporting Kukiz/Korwin, but the numbers are still tiny compared to the total youth electorate. There's a whole lost generation here, and I don't have any clever answer.

My own theory is that there's something with the educational system that is alienating the youth voters. While the schooling system from 3-16 is fine, there's something broken in high schools and universities that leads to a huge amount of apathy. Look at the student self governments here in universities - they're absolutely spineless and toothless compared to their French, German or British peers. But it goes from the beginning - I've done some research into student self governments in schools, and it's quite remarkable how teachers shape and mould them in their own personal vision as opposed to letting them be genuinely independent.

It's also worth pointing out that schools have very little in the way of current affairs education - kids simply don't have much of a forum to learn about these things, so they tend to take their views from their parents. If their parents are alienated, it's likely that the kids are too. In my own workplace, there was almost no attention paid to the election by the kids - it was only after the election that they started to realise that they might be stuck in primary school for 8 years and not 6.

PiS won't change things - in fact, pushing more "Polishness" and history onto the youth might make them even less interested. I know from the kids in school - the average 11/12 year old simply couldn't care less about any fuzzy notion of patriotism. They listen to music from all over the world, they don't think of "us" and "them" in the way that a PiS voter might - they have a completely different view that politicians simply don't understand.

If you ask me, the biggest problem KOD has is with the youth. Getting the 30+ generation out is easy - getting the 18-30 generation on the streets is much, much harder - and yet vital.

They are younger and more open-minded, won't get manipulated easily.

Indeed, and all political factions are seeing that.

It surprises me that political parties here simply don't see the value in actually engaging with their electorate in the way that American politicians do.