Berlin terrorist attack -- Poland's ethnic homogeneity a true blessing

And they typically don't like to work for non-muslims (unless they can bully through a lot of special dispensations for their weird practices).


Apparently Germany can't produce credible politicians with reasonable positions. This does not bode well. And if Merkel has to coalition with the Greens then there will be more large scale migration into Germany (because tha'ts the kind of failed policy that they like).

@mafketis

AfD is going to be a thorn in the side for Merkel. I don't think anyone expected them to gain as many seats as they did - same with FDP.

They did about what I expected. They're the only party that comes close to representing majority opinion on migration (an important issue). Why wouldn't they get some seats?

They seem pretty bad in some ways, but when no mainstream party can depart from orthodoxy enough to deal with majority concerns then extremists will prosper.

@mafketis

Exactly. Only problem is that disunity within these types of organizations is common. Apparently at least one of the leaders has already departed from AfD since the election.

You are totally clueless. "Large foreign investors" have already invested in Poland hundreds of billions and you can't just "move elsewhere" business just like that without significant loses. What is that "risk" ? Eunuchs getting offended that we don't want Abdul and Kunta Kinte ? That already happened. Will they draw new "red lines" ? Release "strongly worded statements" ? They do it again and again and the PLN, bonds, industrial production, export and pretty much all the indicators are fine. The real world simply don't give a feck.

And If you or other commies dream about some trade embargo coming from Germany/EUnuchs - that simply won't happen because 1. there are no legal grounds for that 2. the same "large foreign investors" will rather take Markel down than accept losing billions.

The realistic long term scenario is PL leaving Turbanistan Union but staying in the free trade area and that's actually the best thing that may happen to this country. The "worst" case scenario is "hard POLEXIT", which means 3-5% tariffs - given that we would have totally no obligations to that mess, including their "co2 limits" and all of that, the overall effects could be even on plus.

Let's be honest, your kind can just spread this scaremongering hoping that voters in PL will stop supporting PiS but the effect is totally opposite.

Exactly. Almost every other day I get some other positive news on my feed regarding either some company opening a huge office/plant in Poland, Moody's rating increasing, more investments, etc. Here was today's - thenews.pl/1/12/Artykul/327948,Investment-on-the-rise-in-Poland-finance-minister


According to CBOS, PiS support is over 43% with PO being around 20%. Add Kukiz's 8% to the mix and we're already over the 50% mark for PiS/Kukiz. Even though I do sincerely believe both PiS/PO produce both good and bad policies, it's Polish sentiment that really matters. CBOS also states that 74% of Poles are against migration from Middle East and Africa with 90% of PiS/Kukiz supporters being against, and 50% of PO/Nowoczesna supporters against. So we clearly see that the vast majority of Poles are against migration from these lands. At least PiS had the courage to stand up the EU's forced quotas (which we were never consulted on nor does the ECJ have the authority to enforce migration according to numerous legal experts) unlike PO which kow towed to Brussels.


That's what Poles generally desire. They want Poland to remain in EU for the sake of free movement of people and goods but are against Brussels interfering in our home affairs, our sovereignty, and attempts by EU commissars to erode our traditions and culture since they don't agree with their ideologies.

Scaremongering. That's what commies do. Just like in PRL they were basically saying "keep quite or Soviets will step in", now it's "behave or Gerries/EU will make you poor". Right, 80% of largest global companies have operations in Poland. They surely would be "delighted" with that. Unless PiS kill Tusk in a public execution, a huge nothing is going to happen.

@G (undercover)

Its because they fail to understand how corporate capitalism works. Companies don't care about assaults on media, refusal to take in migrants or anything else. The bottom line and stock prices for publicly traded corps are what matters.

So what? The moment Poland turns out to be bad for business, they'll leave. Or as Dirt Diggler (you really need a new nick, dude...) put it: The bottom line and stock prices for publicly traded corps are what matters. You never really understood capitalism, G(undercover), did you?


I couldn't care less, believe me. Your country, your future. Voters will always get the politicians they deserve.


Leaving is probably a good idea, but what makes you think they will give you access afterwards? Does Poland have the cash to pay?

Hilarious.


Wow. A German guy claimed that Poland should "behave" because Germany is Poland's largest trade partner, I have said that it's nonsense as Polish-German trade have nothing to do with charity or good will. Then you come up with your "but water is wet!" kind of "wisdom".

What's your point ? You aren't making any sense.

The reason why corporations keep flocking to Poland is mainly because of the plentiful cheap high skill English speaking labor but also things like good infrastructure, good schools, stable economy, stable government, etc. In W and C Europe there's also high skill labor but the high salaries, unions, stringent labor laws make it unattractive. On the other hand, in places like Romania, Bulgaria, Albania, etc. there's lower wages than Poland and not as stringent labor laws but not as many skilled people, high corruption, some issues with infrastructure, etc. When corporations go to a new country they typically first conduct a SWOT analysis, make a business/marketing/operation plan specific to that country depending on what they're doing, and send a few people to feel out the situation. It also depends whether they're planning to open a plant/office to service other countries' markets or if they're opening branches, retail outlets, etc. to penetrate the local country's market. Most of the large international corporations' plants/offices that have opened or are about to open like with VW, Mercedes, JP Morgan aren't primarily there to service the Polish market. They moved to Poland to take advantage of the plentiful cheap high skilled bilingual labor. They wouldn't build plants worth hundreds of millions if they didn't see a long term benefit. As far as the local Polish market, the international corporations aren't too keen on investing a lot of money to penetrate the local market because of the high competition, low wages of the average consumer compared to the west, etc. (depending on the product of course). For example, iPhone sales revenue would be much higher in richer countries like Germany, Austria, France, etc. or even a poorer country that has a large population and hence more wealthy people. There is a rise in luxury goods due to increased incomes of Poles and a growing upper middle/upper class. Not all do well though - for example the Armani store in Wroclaw closed down which I was kind of surprised since Polish people tend to spend a lot on clothes and Armani is a well known luxury Italian brand and it's far cheaper than Versace, D&G, etc. On the other hand it's understandable since there's so many different clothing stores in Poland that offer high quality goods at a far lower price than say an Armani outlet.

Poland and Germany are trading partners because of their proximity and large markets. However, trade parterships are made and lost daily between people, corporations, governments, etc. Governments sign treaties offering tax breaks, subsidies, incentives, etc. for certain industries trading with certain corporations in certain countries. Poland and Germany can both find new trading partners if need be. Trade primarily occurs between people and corporations - not so much governments unless we're talking about like military hardware or other sensitive goods. If people and corporations find better deals elsewhere that's where they will go. At the moment, and probably for the foreseeable future Germany will remain PL's largest trade partner. Nonetheless, new opportunities are opening up - especially between China and Poland.

"..cheap high skill English-speaking labor..."

?? Are you sure, DIrk diggler? Most of those whom I know who visit Poland annually at least, would not share your opinion. Or did I misunderstand you? Did you mean the quality of the tradespeople's skill is high or their level of English?

Please explain for us slowpokes:-)

Most of the people working for the international corps tend to be educated - that's what I mean by high skill. You have to have a bachelor's just to get a job as a freakin bank teller in Poland. A lot of people esp the younger generations in Poland are college educated but nonetheless they still have low paying jobs. That's why a lot of companies are taking advantage of this situation. Fortunately, salaries are rising. I've even seen a few mid level manager corporate jobs paying 200k zloty plus. That's a very high sum for Poland but in the US that'd be an insult as it comes out to maybe $55k or so and typically mid level managers make closer to the $80-$120k mark depending on job, city, company, etc.

As far as their English skills, well most take English in school now as opposed to German and back in the day Russian. They have the basics down but of course their English isn't going to be as good as a native. Plus the students who study English and are pretty proficient still speak with a heavy accent.

So what's their opinion ?

DIrk diggler's opinion is, according to his post at least, that the Polish tech workforce has a high level of English. I was simply challenging that statement, based both on my long experience with Poles abroad (in Europe as well as in the States) as well as more conclusively the experience of colleagues who live in Poland and find the exact opposite to be true.

@Lyzko

I clarified that I meant they are educated... the English speaking Poles (mostly young and educated) tend to be pretty proficient but nonetheless still speak with a heavy accent

Last few posters, please stick to the topic of the thread