Don't let Poland become like my country, France.

It's like here in the States Detroit used to be motor city, a assembly line worker who basically did a job a monkey could be trained to do, got paid 60 dollars an hour. 20,25 dollars an hour with benefits is enough for someone who stand and screws in car doors and seats, or some bumper. So the American and German car makers moved their factories to Mexico. Jobs lost here, plus poorer quality cars, cheaper parts.

[timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article4749183.ece] - Sharia law is now adopted, to a greater or lesser extent, in the UK.

It's sick, from my point of view, to have parallel court systems.


EU gives Poland extremely much money every year.

Money that most other EU-countries can't even dream about to get.

Poland is one of the biggest netto-recievers in the EU.

Really? Ever been to the EU?

If "the death of Europe" is a single currency, economic and political union, free movement of citizens, no border checks, etc - then I dread to think what is the "life of Europe" according to you.

Poland had already have very large, culturally and racially alien group that didn't integrate and wasn't loyal to the state. This is nothing new for us.

The funny thing is that we used to be critised and called names by pretty much everybody for not wanting so much of them. Now people tell us we shouldn't make the same mistake as they did and shouldn't be as welcoming towards aliens as them?

I say it's our turn to call the Brits and French primitive racists! :) I say Polish government should defend the rights and well being of persecuted Arabs, Blacks, Pakistani etc. in UK and France! :)

Nicely put RL !:)

It would make it far more difficult to criticize Poland. At the moment it's too easy to mock the introverted culture and I feel like to do so is like bullying a cripple. As J. Lennon said 'One thing you can't hide, is when you're crippled inside'.

To say not to play the global economic game will keep Poland down.

I think this is a tricky topic to discuss. I do understand, to a degree, what the topic creator is saying although it is not too simple for countries like France, USA, Holland, England and so on, to do much about it now. It has gone too far. What these countries now have are children of immigrants being born in their countries. France as an example. An Algerian child born in France feels like a French citizen because they speak the language, they get educated in France, they have French pals etc. It is not fair to tell them to get out of the country when they have never actually lived anywhere else. If I happen to see a non white guy in Poland who says he is Polish, speaks Polish perfectly, has friends there etc and I realise he was born there and is proud of his country I would not feel right frowning at him and telling him to get out of the country. Now Poland, for now, is not a multicultural country, not to the extent of France for example. The problem is a lot of the Polish girls [or guys] go abroad and marry foreigners, then they return with them and this is how is starts. Right now it is not so noticable but if it continues then Poland could be similar to France eventually. I know that for some Polish girls it is trendy to find a foreigner and 'show him off.' I think that it is absurd but some girls think in this way.

It really does depend on how you view the world. It is a personal taste. If you think that we should not have any boundries as we are one race then sure, the EU is great and let us mix it up but if countries are too keep to themselves and have their own particular cultures then this is problematic. I think we have so many cultures in the world and some are vastly different to others hence it is not as easy to intergrate with each other as it may seem. We can have respect for them but to intergrate with them is a little different.

Yes,cross fingers and in a few years Black Poles will feel free to integrate and even appear on your TV shows...........

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Oh they already do. In fact if you are a black man or woman in Poland you have a good chance of appearing on television in Poland and discussing your life and how you got to be in Poland.

Don't worry topic starter, we don't want to let Strauss Kahns and Sarkozys appearing on the Polish arena ... we're going to give them better checks and we're gonna foster better integrity ... the maids of New York and the models of Europe are safe from Polish predators.

If not for the reasons you imply. By the way, how safe were Samoobrona activists from Andrzej Lepper a year or two back?

Nice sentiment. Now tell us how it's gonna happen.

When you say "our" who are you referring to?

I think this topic is more about France than Poland ... so I am surprised you bring this in :)

In any condition, as you have brought this topic ... I would like to tell you that we have a sound judiciary to handle such things. Our political arena do not support or show doubts when justice must be done. Our people do not feel sympathetic to such fiends...

However, recently what was shown about the French was not very positive. You will have criminals among you, but to really give them special support or benefit of the doubt makes it the "bad part".

Certainly people are becoming more aware in Poland, and our ideals do not correlate with people who are criminals. Such people can be there always, but the reaction of the political arena, the judiciary and the people shows the nation's integrity.

If you read more info, Poles have rejected him.

The problem, as history has shown us, is that once you set off down a certain road, it can be hard to reverse. Poland is really ethnocentric and you can feel it quite strongly at times, esp in conservative areas. A visible rise in the number of foreigners living in certain parts would raise alarm bells. Poland has to be aware of offering too much charity. Enticing the wrong type of people here would be catastrophic.

Exactly ... wrong type of people shouldn't come. I actually attended a seminar where I gave some points, which was infact appreciated with many Indian, Egyptian and other races Europeans who were educated and living a nice life.

I am not pro-blind-immigration. But pro-immigration with some reform in the process. This is what I am in favor of: Ideas for constructive Immigration methods for Poland.


About asylum seekers you are saying? ... Well, we took asylum in many places including Iran and India. You can search google and find the clubs of people sharing their memories or pictures of their relatives or themselves once in those places as asylum seekers. Infact there are some places in India with small Polish population, same in Iran.

Anyways ... still we just cannot let every one in. There must be a solid reason of persecution ... proof etc. Those who check don't really check enough. Plus the records must be checked and seen if the person's mental status or character is good. Plus, there must be a strict health checkup where any contagious disease cannot be allowed. I am not talking about physical disability or downs syndrome here ... those are exceptional and have all respect to those parents who have such children, and I myself volunteer to support.


Umm ... I think those villages or small areas you are talking about have never seen a foreigner specially of different color. This is natural to stare or look ... or to wonder ... even doubt. Won't you agree?

However, I think they become very friendly too later on when they get to know these people ... but hoards and hoards of them don't really go to those places.

There is a man I know who got married into a girl from such small village like place. He used to be the only foreigner for some people to see ... but later they were kind to him and still are fine as long as their girl is happy ofcourse :D ... but they got children and it seems all is OK.

Don't translate a stare or surprise ... curiosity into something violent etc...

A filtering process is not too much to ask for in this day and age whereby everything is computerised. As you will no doubt agree, £ódź, Poland cannot tar too many groups with the same brush. You might say any group but there are those that would upset the balance here in Poland. The authorities should exercise care in the admission process.

I had that partly in mind, £ódź, but I was thinking more generally in terms of warm, open arms. Yeah, Poland has to accept the bad with the good but they shouldn't shoot themselves in the foot.

No, I mean that a certain type are very focussed on their own and don't have the capacity to get beyond that.

Computers can only do what you ask them to do. There is a term called "garbage in - garbage out" in computers. Its the policy I am talking about, not the functioning of that policy, or the errors or databases.


That is a confusing statement really. Not because I don't understand it, but no ones really does when a conversation or analysis happens in some seminar etc. There is a need to be more specific. We are not really open and warm arms you know ... but the policies only work to bring in the bad and keep out the good ... this is the major problem.


Those certain types are not confined to a race. Infact its a mindset, and thats why students (in their formative minds) are preferred. In this way, you get people who 90% of times integrate. Atleast all those I were friend with did. Its not uncommon ... plus those who don't come to study but run to UK from here come with false age and false report cards through AGENTS ... Agents are the problem ... otherwise there are some real good people out there who contribute to the economy, and not only that but on a personal level come with a basic human right to be with someone they want to be.

Its not about a "type" that can be identified so simply ... that "type" can come from USA too ...

Yes but they can do the background checks needed to get the lowdown on some individuals.

I was saying that if Poland changed to be that way. Creating the conditions which attract some undesirables is in the interests of almost no-one here.

It is highly visible, that was my point.

Provided the data is credible. For that they will need the help of the authorities from where that individual is coming from. Over which, it is always better to know how and through which method is this individual trying to enter. Those who try through agents are not really good. There are those who try from themselves.

I prefer the concept of this background check with proper method.


Undesirables come by what do you know? ... By the world's most foolish concept of having a certain amount of money in bank IS THE KEY. This is the world's most stupid concept because undesirables either have that money through wrong means, or manage someone to show this. They got no education, no standard, no way to integrate (leave out intent) ... nothing really. These are the guys who enter Europe these days in huge numbers, while we have stupid policies which keep the true student out because he don't have some tens of thousands of dollars in his account :D ...

These students are often smart enough (those who process their entry themselves) to earn a living anywhere. But we discourage them, and end up giving citizenship to shady asylum seekers (which murky evidence that they were really persecuted) and not to mention laborers who have no idea what is English or Polish or any other European country's language.

In UK its the "relative" of some guy, in the expense of a good student who could not only get educated but also integrate and contribute to the economy.

Its a huge mess, but curable with those simple points that I mentioned, ofcourse aided by databases and international cooperation. We would be glad with warm arms about students, investors or skilled people.

If it is done correctly, it will be efficacious and of benefit to many.

International students often add a nice new flavour to life here. They can then enter into constructive partnerships with firms and bring their own perspectives with them.

I agree completely england is the same the west is a mess and i hope the polish wont roll over and let this vermin invade their country like we have. hopefully.

CHEERS! :)


I only hope so.

"Poland is really ethnocentric and you can feel it quite strongly at times, esp in conservative areas. A visible rise in the number of foreigners living in certain parts would raise alarm bells. Poland has to be aware of offering too much charity. Enticing the wrong type of people here would be catastrophic."

Seanus, just give it a little time. The majority of Poles will act up quickly. :)

I dont think we will turn into France or Western countries soon.
the main thing is that we dont accept muslim here. Mix couple had really hard life (muslim and catholic). Also Polish people are friendly and open but on the other hand they dont like when we mix with foreigners.

Im working for English company and my English/New Zeland's colleagues were very surprised not to see any black or asian people in Poznan during their visit in this town.

Nope,destined to be a **** ant back water for a good few decades yet,dont worry.

Hey! Guys

Please make a note, not all Asians are muslims. Lets also understand the facts that, it was Europe, who once went around the globe looting other country off their riches and forcing other countries to become their colonies. One good example is England, who ruled almost half the world! It was once again Europe who brought in immigrants in the 60s and 70s as workers and to develop itself. And now that she is developed and lost control over the immigrants, she is no longer able to control wants to move the blame to others.

My dear Poles, especially the ones who say that, there are 150,000 Pro-Poland ... do you have any idea that, there are more than 3 million Poles who have immigrated out of Poland to work in other countries! Similarly, there are millions of other Europeans who work in other countries out of Europe.

I will just summarize by saying that, what once Europe did to others, others are now doing it to Europe! Give it a though and fill in the dots yourself.

they are affraid of the Muslim religion more often not of the people,
mostly because we dont understand and know it so good.

Ever heard about the Taliban and Sharia? Ohh, and before you ask ... yes, I have ... I experienced it first hand. And it isn't pretty. Wanna try it? Move to Iran or Afghanistan for a couple of months. Then come back and tell us how it felt. Maybe you can even set up an interview with Abu Qatada ... he really seems to be a charming man and can tell you ALL about it. Don't forget your niqab when you go and see him, though ... (although he lives in England). And he probably won't shake your hand either (again - although he lives in England).

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they're afraid because it has been associated with violence NOT peace. what I feel is needed is for more of the clergy, the imams, to speak out against all this destruction. Up until now it only the crazies, who are making themselves heard.

Probably envious.

The UK, France, Italy, Germany, and one or two others colonised parts of the world.

Most of the 27 EU member states did not have colonies.

What a lame excuse for mass immigration.

What country are you from?