News / MORE ANTI-POLISH SENTIMENT IN GERMANY [280]

You do not understand German. So pls don't make comments on what he is trying to do if you don't understand what exactly he is saying.


No, because that would give feeding ground to any existing antipathy. By making ppl laugh with jokes about your fellow countrimen you will get other ppl to think about the subject much easier and quicker. But I guess you still don't get the point. Or you only see the point you want to see. As usual.


Because you are dragging in the Jews once again. Jews are being ridiculed just as much by Jewish comedians as any other ppl on Earth. Don't hear you shouting blue murder about that.

The topic at hand was a Polish comedian making fun of stereotypes. Nowhere there was any mention nor any connection to Jews in what shape or form. You are to be credited for bringing them in once more.

News / MORE ANTI-POLISH SENTIMENT IN GERMANY [280]


But isn't that always the essence of stand-up comedians? Or for any comedian for that matter? Any comedian will tell you when asked that the decision to become one is frustration or anger about something. And instead of getting just angry like some individuals on this forum do, he chose to become a funnyman as humour is the best was to level differences. Humour builds bridges and accelerates acceptance of each other and as far as I'm concerned, he's doing a great job.


He's actually 32, but that's a minor detail - saw another clip of him in which it says so.

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M-G (//participation)

News / MORE ANTI-POLISH SENTIMENT IN GERMANY [280]


I see you didn't get the point. A Polish comedian makes fun of the stereotypes in existence about his fellow countrymen and you drag in the Jews. You fully live up to that other stereotype about the Poles. :)

I would suggest you learn German and you will see that the humour in the clip is not that bad at all. What is worse though is that thenews.pl gives Marek Fis ia fabricated name, complete with background and all.

Another quote by Fis:

"Ihr habt den Karnavall. Da gibt's lange Reden, es wird gesoffen, getanzt und gefummelt. Bei uns heisst das Kirche."

Transl:

"You have your carnival with long speeches, drinking, dancing and fondling. We call that church" :)



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M-G (/participation)

News / MORE ANTI-POLISH SENTIMENT IN GERMANY [280]


"They" in this case is a comedian called Marek Fis, and guess what? The creator of this hilarious clip is Polish...Just goes to show that ppl are sometimes just looking for things which are not there. Yes - that's the same Marek Fis as Bratwurst posted earlier in this thread.

I've watched many clips from Marek Fis and he is funny as heck. His opening line is usually "ah glad to be here - now one finally sees the faces that belong to the cars". :) Maybe ts should do a little more research before going off on an imagined "anti-Polish slur" by those nasty Germans.

One keeps wishing, but unfortunately some things never change - glad that there is a growing number of Polish ppl that know how to see things in their true perspective.

Edit: so, we have a satirical clip about Poles made by a Pole - what's the point of this discussion other than to caress the "bruised" ego of ts?

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M-G (unsurprised yet again)

USA, Canada / REFUSED A HOLIDAY VISA TO THE U.S CAUSE IM POLISH [323]


What about Polish breaking "your laws"? Same increased punishment?

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M-G (wonders)

Polonia / What About The Poles In The Netherlands? [102]


You didn't happen to forget that pay in NL is always mentioned before tax? So if these guys get 5 Euro/hr, they indeed will get sth of 4 Euros or less, given the fact that NL knows a taxation of about 33 to 37 per cent. And since it's including accomodation, they should not be complaining at all. They probably don't speak Dutch and since it's probably some low level job, it's like that. Actually, it's correct as 37 per cent of 5 Euro is 1,85. So they shouldn't complain at all. They are getting their 5 Euros. And besides, I don't believe that in Australia low level work like that will pay 20 bucks after tax.

Edit: Again, wages are always mentioned before tax in NL as they are in most countries in the world. Given the nature of their stay they pay 35.8 per cent, which makes sense.

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M-G (coffee break)

Love / I Love Agnieszka - help me more to understand her and her family, tips about polish girls [33]


Aren't they all called Agnieska or Kasia?

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M-G (coffee)

Life / The "Rudification" Of Society - Is This Happening In Poland As Well? [146]


It was more the struggle with and/or trying to break free from religion that after the Middle Ages produced the most fabulous works of art. Religious art is sth different. Beautiful too as art is supposed to be beautiful anyway. But you cannot say that it's only due to religion that the most beautiful or famous pieces of art have been produced: the Mona Lisa by Da Vinci is not a religious work (does not portray a religious situation or scene from the Bible), the Night Watch from Rembrandt is neither. Pablo Picasso's work is mainly non-religious, Dali, Breughel and most of the Dutch painters...


Not true - like in the previous example, art, literature and music are personal expression of these or those desires, wishes or frustrations. If you take a scale and lie on one side the religious oriented works of art and on the other side the non-religious works, I would say the scale would pretty much be in balance. You make the mistake to think that every secular state equals some sort of Socialist or Communist state, which is not true, there are many variations - what would you like to see instead of the current systems? A Theocracy? Hm, Iran is a Theocracy and we don't want to be in Iran, wouldn't we? There is a reason why Church and religion are no longer dominating forces. If given dominance, the Church will, just as any other dominant entity, try to cage ppl, mainly in spirit, but in the old days they even did it physically. And we don't want that. The Church is supposed to be the opposite of Communism, however, both will dominate and deal with dissenting opinions in an unpleasant way, as has been shown.

Don't have time to react to all of the posters - freaking busy for days now and I will be for more days to come - don't you just love it when replacements screw up the system and the SysAdmin has "forgotten" to look after that little problem with the backup servers we, unknown to anybody except the SysAdmin, had for almost 6 months?

Gotta go again.

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M-G (still a lot to go)

Life / The "Rudification" Of Society - Is This Happening In Poland As Well? [146]


Why don't you give your opinion for a change instead of ridiculing ppl who do?

twopaths.com/faq_homosexuality.htm


Indeed what has atheism and secularism to do with the left-wing? And besides, the source is from the Right corner, so of course the lefties will be made look much worse than they really are. They claim that there has only been 1 right-wing attack, which is a ridiculous statement. There have been more right-wing attacks than just 1.

gawker.com/5286144/the-rise-of-right+wing-violence
agonist.org/sean_paul_kelley/20100325/right_wing_violence

But the violence back and forth is not the point. The point is, what does atheism and secularism have to do with left-wingers?

Trusting on God usually contradicts with trusting in science, and since atheists are not bothered by the presence of a god, they can focus more on science, hence making them more intelligent than ppl who put all their trust in God, not willing to explore things by themselves.

M-G (busy)

Life / The "Rudification" Of Society - Is This Happening In Poland As Well? [146]


I especially like this part of the article:


Which is undisputably true.


His argumentation is a lot more profound than I have seen coming from the religious corner.

Gotta dash again.

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M-G (still busy)

Life / The "Rudification" Of Society - Is This Happening In Poland As Well? [146]


This is actually nonsense. I am on the left of the centre and I am generally polite irl. I know plenty of other left-wingers who are very polite as well. I know also left-wingers that are not polite. I know right-wingers that are polite, but I also know right-wingers that aren't polite. You shouldn't generalise this much and glorify the right as much as you do; ppl are ppl and being polite is a matter of character, not of political orientation.


For a self-confessed Libertarian you lean quite far over to the right-hand side. There might be some truth in Marek1111's remark that you're a poster-boy for the Republicans, given the soothing way you talk about those Tea Party guys and the way you talk about the left-wingers. You may not be a poster-boy, but it's clear where your sympathies lay.


Of course the reactions would be the same - it's about the deed of book-burning, one of the lowest states humanity can reach. And that it's the Koran or any other book, including the Bible is irrelevant in this respect.

But it's definitively not gonna happen as I understand it. Guess Terry Jones was just another attention-seeker.


I always wonder where ppl like you get their information. Hearsay? Probably. But you probably also know that "hearsay" info is not really reliable as it tends to get coloured with personal sympathies or antipathies. The part that I quoted from you is just a general prejudice and doesn't happen always, if it happens at all. I know, on the other hand, plenty of girls that can walk down any street they like without being spat upon. It's actually a common myth in the anti-Muslim world: girls cannot walk over street without being harrassed. While this may happen from time to time, it's actually by far not sure if these harrassers are from Middle Eastern descent. In fact, quite some of the girls mentioned above get mostly harrassed by drunken Czechs and Poles, as they told me.

And by the way, with this post you give evidence of possessing not much respect for those ppl at all. And of course in such circumstances, fairy tales become very quickly real stories.

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M-G (busy as hell)

Life / The "Rudification" Of Society - Is This Happening In Poland As Well? [146]

True Sean, we are being lived - no room for anything outside the Corporation's interest. You see it in everything, heck, even our musical taste is determined by them.

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M-G (tiens)

Life / The "Rudification" Of Society - Is This Happening In Poland As Well? [146]


Of course I think it has sth to do with it as the powers that are now on the rise generally only can rise in circumstances like this.


Ppl will be always looking for scapegoats, yes. And who are the easiest? Indeed the foreigners. The true culprits always get away anyway...Like the term weapons of mass distraction :)

But I was wondering, do we see a general trend here or is it limited to a few isolated incidents?

Sorry, I'm quite busy, so I won't be able to react directly.

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M-G (busy)

Life / The "Rudification" Of Society - Is This Happening In Poland As Well? [146]


That would be my mistake - I was talking too much from a Dutch perspective. Mea culpa for that. As for the Dutch perspective: we see the right basically rise to power in NL and this is accompanied by the above meant rudification towards foreigners. The main protagonist is the infamous Geert Wilders, who makes it a habit to structurally insult Muslims and other foreigners. His followers follow his footsteps blindly, which leads to this rudification of society. I was just wondering if this was happening in other societies, like the Polish one.

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M-G (busy)

Life / The "Rudification" Of Society - Is This Happening In Poland As Well? [146]

I think you very well know what I mean. Don't want to say it out in the open, and I'm not going to, even though it's the only way left.

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M-G (tiens)

Life / The "Rudification" Of Society - Is This Happening In Poland As Well? [146]


What's the matter with you?

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M-G (tiens)

Life / The "Rudification" Of Society - Is This Happening In Poland As Well? [146]


Fox News is owned by a member of the Bush family, I forget his name. And don't forget that the Democrats are only recently in power. And didn't Fox already called Bush winner before all Floridian votes were counted in 2000?

Anyway, back to the topic.

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M-G (tiens)

UK, Ireland / Ive been in the UK for 6 days to relocate and im going back to Poland. [281]


You have Office on your computer? If yes, you have to switch it off there, as it's linked, normally. Should be in the Options.

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M-G (tiens)

Life / The "Rudification" Of Society - Is This Happening In Poland As Well? [146]


Read the link I added in the previous post. Our Tea Party friends know how to dish out some violence and damaging of properties as well. And if I assume right that those pro-lifers are part of the same target audience as the Tea Parties, they even kill ppl. And imo that is a bit worse than damaging some property or shouting through a conservative speech.

The media doesn't censor left violence as info on the disturbances (which probably are only minor incidents, but given the way the Republicans always exaggerate things, it's a "huge" ocurrance) is widely available on the internet.

But pls read the first post to know what the topic is we are here discussing. Let's stay on track. Thanks.

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M-G (tiens)

Life / The "Rudification" Of Society - Is This Happening In Poland As Well? [146]


Is there a connection between this and the rising to power of the populists?

huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/25/republicans-condemn-viole_n_513211.html

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M-G (tiens)

Life / The "Rudification" Of Society - Is This Happening In Poland As Well? [146]


So happens in NL and that's considered a typical "Leftie" state. We helped the Poles every winter when I was young. But how do collections for good causes wipe out the other stuff?


Tony Blair is not a trend.

How can ppl who collect money for whatever good cause, condone things like bookburning?


But that's only because Fox news is liaised to the Republican party. And the Republican party is known for it's dirty way of dealing with things when not in power.

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M-G (tiens)

UK, Ireland / Ive been in the UK for 6 days to relocate and im going back to Poland. [281]


And you should be, these fcukers should receive a decent beating up that they don't know their rear from their face anymore.

But rest assured, the vast majority of the Poles are good ppl who would never do such a thing. Unfortunately you got bad apples in every basket.

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M-G (I don't think this is noimmigration)

News / Poland hosts lowest proportion of foreigners in the EU [115]


Doesn't Christianity do the same?

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M-G (tiens)

News / Poland hosts lowest proportion of foreigners in the EU [115]


I think the vid raps of a birth rate among Muslims of 8.1 on average. I don't think this number is correct because if you have, say 5 families with 2 children (and I know for a fact that there are plenty of them) you will need about 20 families with 10 children to get to this average. And there are at least 100's of thousands of Muslim families with only 2 or 3 kids, so the vid implies that there must be millions of Muslim families in the EU with 10 or more children, which is simply not true.

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M-G (tiens)

Life / The "Rudification" Of Society - Is This Happening In Poland As Well? [146]


How has this been proven? Just another statement coming from the Christian RightWing? And stop your personal attacks - I know you're insecure and for you it's a way of life to attack others on personal grounds, but try to stop it and keep the discussion about this very real phaenomena civilized. Thanks.


It's a typical phaenomena of the last few years and Right-Wing thinking is very severely present. How's life as a coffeeboy in the army lately? I heard that's what they make of "heroes" that flee the country when things are bad.

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M-G (tiens)

History / Poland provoked Germany to start WW2 by mobilising first [94]

Steinbach is a nutter. Nobody takes her seriously anyway. Why are we even discussing this?

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M-G (incidents vs greater picture)

News / Poland hosts lowest proportion of foreigners in the EU [115]

As usual you don't have a clue:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_Turkey
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_Lebanon

Can't be bothered by finding more sources, just do a simple search on Google.

Stop basing yourself on incidents and start seeing larger trends and above all, stop viewing things from a Christian right-wing perspective.

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M-G (tiens)

News / Poland hosts lowest proportion of foreigners in the EU [115]


Only a handful say it. Five, Six at the most. But they're the loudest, so it seems like there are more.


So you won't have any problems if ppl start burning the Bible? After all, it's a freedom of speech thing.

Heinrich Heine said: "when they start burning books, they eventually will start burning ppl."
And he has been right every time so far.

Only dumb idiots could agree to bookburning as it's one of the lowest states mankind can reach.

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M-G (tiens)

News / Poland hosts lowest proportion of foreigners in the EU [115]

@nott: K. See ya.


As far as I know, Christianity, Judaism and Islam all believe in the same god. Jesus Christ is recognized in the Koran as an important prophet. And there are other things that are similar. If both parties are willing, then a pace inter pares is very well pssbl. But as long as hatemongers and scaremongers keep on spouting their stuff into the world, there will be no peace, while it's very well pssbl.

Edit: but when I look around here in Dublin, the vast majority of foreigners is either Pole or Chinese with a handful of Muslims here and there. How's the situation in Quebec?

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M-G (tiens)