News / What's the stupidest question asked about Poland? [414]


For future reference:

Yep. Moscow is an European city.

Life / Is Poland a safe country for people of color? [241]

If you are prepared to treat our country and customs with respect, we are prepared to do the same for you. This is that simple. Our customs are not very restrictive. Just try to act... decent ( however you understand this term).

Accusing our country of being racist is just... racist. This is just prejudice. I hope, you agree.

History / What British unit liberated Poland in 1945?? [445]

Do you still remember Polish heroes in Battle of Britain?
Well: untreaty.un.org/unts/1_60000/1/11/00000504.pdf

Aparently they count every piece of ammunition, every gallon of petrol, every spitfire and then - They charge Poland for this.

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You get me wrong. I am not upset. I just confider this fact (Yes Harry - this is fact) worth to remember.
Many of Polish soldiers has died defending this islands. They didn't ask who will pay them and where. Among others 303 Polish Fighter Squadron members. They did their duty.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No._303_Polish_Fighter_Squadron

And after that - British government sold us to Stalin an send us a bill. They count every bullet, every uniform, every meal. They charged us even for docking fees for Polish ships. The same ships that fought to protect their island.

I hope you understand - i don't oppose the fact, that Polish Army had used that bullets. The point is - they used those bullets to protect United Kingdom sovereignty. Many of them died in the process. Charging us for it is just not right.

That make me proud of being Polish. And that makes me ashamed that we chooses our friends so poorly.

How it was paid? Simple. About 75 tons of Polish gold reserve has been transfered to London in 1940 and deposited there. After war British government knows that we are to weak under Stalin's boot (to whom they shamelessly sold us on Jalta conference) to claim it back. So - they keep it. PDF document I linked in my previous post is official document that legalized this theft.

For those who are interested: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_betrayal

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I understand that.
My point is - our nations were friends. We did everything possible to help you. When the time comes you show us nothing but contempt. That wasn't required by Stalin or US. It was your own choice. Friend in need is a friend indeed.

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Maybe you will understand that - this "Polish war debt" as you call it is nonexistent. Why? Simply because this is money spent to protect YOUR own country. Polish Free forces didn't fought for Poland. We gain independence in 1989 not in 1945. Those people has fought for your country and has died for it. And you charge Poland for it.Do you really think this is right?

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We were still on rationing until 1986-or-so simply because everything was forcibly exported to Soviet Union.
Funny fact about EU is that we are still (5 years after joining) a netto payer to the EU budget.
Polish immigrants in the UK (like myself) are usually hard working people. We pay taxes and respect your tradition. In return British newspapers targeting us as a sample parasite just because we are white europeans (read - soft target).

And I don't think you owe us anything except little respect.

And Harry - I hope you are aware of the fact that most supplies for Warsaw Uprising was dropped "accidentally" on the German side? And "Cichociemni" wera all Polish?

Really people - this is 2009. Lesson has been learned.
Just read this article on wiki this is a good start. Nobody expecting you to agree with that. Just read it.

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I am going to say that somehow this is how it is. In other words - a fact. I don't think that anyone would have interest in re-supplying Germans. That's why I presume that it was accident that majority of supplies were dropped on the wrong side. You couldn't betrayal us in this way, could you?

And who the hell is Magda?

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I'm not Magda so I'd best not speak for her.
Watch your word, mister!

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There is a few lies in this thread, and some truth as well.
One of truths is:

Polish Army fought in the Battle of Britain and later on your side. Polish soldiers dies for the Queen.
And then - Britain charged us for this privilege.

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You could try to help us. This is friendship all about isn't it? Even a gesture would be appreciated. But you didn't try.

In addition to this Britain didn't honor our dead heroes. We weren't invited for the Victory Parade (at some point third power of alliance) in London. Did Stalin forced you to this? Our generals (the same old generals who fought so bravely for the Crown) after were discharged without any pension, forced to take odd jobs. Did Roosevelt personally request this? You stole our gold just because you can.

And now you insult us, call us a parasites just because our country is poor. And you fail to spot that we are poor because in the past we choose our friends poorly and you let us down.

I understand "realpolitik" has his own rights. But spitting on us and our heroes is not a part of realpolitik.

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In 1940 and later Poland was non-existent country. But we help you anyway.
And yes - our pilots didn't care for whom they fighting as long as they have the opportunity to kill some Germans. That's fact. Other fact is - they fought and died defending London.

And you charge us for it.

Victory Parade is other thing. More a symbol than a real thing. Among all Polish Forces only few representatives of 303 squadron were invited. And they refused. Wouldn't you do the same? I definitely would.

Please - don't get upset. It's our grandparent's business anyway.

I tell you one simple fact: British government knows about Ribbentrop-Molotow treaty as soon as it was signed. This treaty was clear sign that the war is near. And they didn't told us. British didn't warn us. Is that how friends behave? Nobody ever apologised us for this betrayal.

For that reson don't expect apologies from me.

As for "If you don't like UK - GTFO" stuff - It surprises me. I refuse to discuss on this level.

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Reality is based on facts, right?

We fought and died for the UK and they charge us for it - fact
Majority of supplies intended for Warsaw Uprising were dropped on the German side - fact
Our Generals (and other serviceman) were discharged without any pension whatsoever - fact
No one represented Poland an the Victory Parade - fact
British government has knowledge about Auschwitz, but didn't do anything - fact
Our pre-war gold reserves (75 tons) disappeared in British custody - fact

I think, I have strong enough grasp of reality.

History / What British unit liberated Poland in 1945?? [445]

Final answer (Ksysia - you can thank me later)
No one is free:
(well - to say the truth: We are free of this shame. There was no Polish SS unit)
Hey! Maybe this is the answer for question that started this thread?
"What British unit liberated Poland in 1945?"

Those brave lads are pure British and all-volunteer.
And they could be busy liberating Poland in 1945, couldn't they?
British Waffen SS uniform:



And poster

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Nathan
There is no such country as Czechoslovakia, therefore your argument is invalid. :-)

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I see, Hellen, that you check every single of my words. Good. :-) The only invitation was sent to few surviving representatives of 303 squadron.


Unfortunately there was no Poland at this time. There was only burning London behind their back.


Re-think it again, Hellen.


Polish Generals were welcomed to return to Poland, then being imprisoned and executed. Some of them actually took this route. And what they "paid into the UK system"? They paid with their blood and death of their friends and families. I see, Hellen, that gratitude is strange concept for you. ;-)


Yeap. An I am sure that some "Jasio Kowalski" was in London at the time. So what?
No Polish unit was invited to celebrate victory. Representatives of 303 sq. are not the unit.


To bomb it "w trzy dupy" (forgive my French) would be good idea. I am sure that people down there would be grateful for quick death.

As for your second question:


The first document I linked in this thread is official "agreement" from archives. I trust this document more than your opinion.


Well... If there was any British soldier liberating Poland in 1945 - most probably that he was a member of this merry SS gang. This is the best answer for the title question.


This is a good feeling to be sure about something, isn't it? And you laugh so easily. Surely you have got access to some not-yet-known historical facts, maybe even documents. Will you share this with us?

Or maybe - it's just your imagination.
Well, Hellen?

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Harry
Dear Hellen,

I see, you are obsessed by the word "lie". Is it compulsive? Maybe you should fight this habit by repeating another word? How about the word "tomato"? I am not a doctor - maybe you should visit one?

P.S. If you prefer to repeat some shorter words - "milk" is a nice word.
:-)

History / What British unit liberated Poland in 1945?? [445]

Harry
No Unit of Polish Army (249000 soldiers) was represented on Victory Parade.
That is the fact. Even you can't change it.
Goodbye Hellen.

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This is Greek honor guard.
(I didn't know that Greece is a part of Commonwealth)

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Yes.

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Is that mean that there was no Jews in Poland at all? Is that mean that all Holocaust was about killing Polish citizens - not Jews? Wow! I didn't know that.

And Hellen - what did darius said? That's interesting.

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We have fought in the Battle of Britain as well. You can't deny it. And our ships were send on patrols around this island to protect it.

How you can say that somebody who died on British soil in order to protect it didn't prove himself a good friend of this nation? Why the British didn't show a little respect to this people?

They were discarded like an used tool.
As I said before - if Britain was to weak to help Poland in 1945, a gesture of friendship or some gratitude would be accepted. Unfortunately, the only gesture this country show to our soldiers was contempt and insult. Take a look at general Sosabowski's story. That's hurts.

We regain our independence in 1989. For us WW2 was a lengthy war indeed.

History / What British unit liberated Poland in 1945?? [445]

How Israeli flag might look like if what you saying is true:

History / What British unit liberated Poland in 1945?? [445]


Where is the lie in this picture?
There is possibility that such a multi-cultural country like Israel may choose to express goodwill and tolerance.
Therefore this flag "might" look like this. You can't deny it, can you?

Genealogy / Why the escape in the 1800s ? Searching for my family roots. [25]

Where? Who?
(lol)

History / What British unit liberated Poland in 1945?? [445]

They earn the time to prepare for war. For the same reason they sold Czechoslovakia.
Plus - they earn our national gold reserves as a bonus.

History / What British unit liberated Poland in 1945?? [445]

75 tons of gold? You must be a very rich man.

History / What British unit liberated Poland in 1945?? [445]

jonni
And your point is?

History / What British unit liberated Poland in 1945?? [445]


You right. I did use wrong word. They stole it.

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How nice of you to continue to spit on the nation which has sheltered your people since the dark ages. :-)

BTW - I understand that if you trust somebody with you money and later this man refuse to return it - you don't call it theft? Is there another word for it in your native language? Gecheft maybe?