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You're taking my words out of context.
No,that your fault you are not making yourself clear enough.
Of course, all gifts to charitable institutions better be tax-free. But Church isn't only a charitable institution
No is not but the main bulk of its practical, material activity is in fact charitable and pro-social.
It spends its money on rich and gold dripping churches, on luxurious vehicles, and so on; and as such, its income should be taxed.
Not religious charitable organization spent money on salaries for its workers, offices and whereases those are cost. Anyhow money on building Churches are mainly from voluntary donations which shouldn't be taxed. You are have tax obsessed mind. Big companies are employing legions of richly reworded lawyers just to cheat on taxes, only honest people are being taxed to the hilt. Attempt at cutting in some placed were were all kinds of vultures smell a profit is but low meanness.
Anyway only foreigner would say
gold dripping churches. Hardy any gold there. Are you sure that you are Polish.
on luxurious vehicles,
What luxurious vehicles? Those are private property for most part, bought and paying form by its owners there are not irregularity you suggest.
A small example: I want a church wedding. The price? "Whatever you're willing to offer, but no less than..." - so the usual.
So what? Do you want a church wedding or not? If you do you pay if you don't you do not pay - simple! Why would that all be for free? You would have to pay for not religious wedding as well.
How much tax is being paid on that 1k and why is it 0?
I will check for you.
hat is actually false. You have a say by electing your representatives.
Theoretically but in practice your vision is false.
But siphoning tax money to a religious institution in a country that has secularism written in its constitution - not fine. I shouldn't be forced to support a religion (or its minsters).
I'm fine with that, all Church property should be returned and no money would have been shipped form the budged to the Church except for the grands for the proper maintenance of historical buildings, often Churches. Those are just in the national heritage pool.
If I don't want their services, I don't want to pay for them.
you don't that is the beauty of it! you are just being awkward.
Democracy works because there are checks and balances, because the majorities are required to protect the minorities
Minorities are best protected but moral and ethical teaching of the Church. In the world there are hardly any democracy worth mentioning which didn't stared as a Christian state.
As long as Christan moral code is a guidance for the law makers that harmony and internal integrity of the society is ensured.
An example - civil partnership for guys is a far reaching democratic compromise but still do not goes against the Church tolerance and teaching but gay marriage is not, that too far, that is war on the civilization. However if some dudes would like to call themselves married that wouldn't be punished by the law. No religious values forcing on somebody who is not Christan or don't want to be.
That is compromise but when secular state status is by some ideologically biased minorities to secure their moral code or lack of aforementioned then its no longer democracy or comprise that is a cheeky war on the Christan civilization , It is not about religious state but it is all about attack on the very basic democracy and order which has been build on the moral code.
You can debate about decoration and even walls of a house but when you staring digging at foundation the fun is over and you deserve smack for being an dangerous idiot.
Otherwise we have something that's called a tyranny of majority, which would suppress minorities' rights.
That is a new concept a tyranny of majority and even if there is some merit to it. In practice that idea renders concept of democracy useless, maybe its time to find something else instead.
Since the constitution is the supreme law of our nation, we made it our law, which clearly says the state is secular.
No is not as it can be overruled by the EU law.
I think that your understanding of the secular state concept is peculiar - secular do not mean atheistic or anti-Christian but that neither religion or any secular ideology do not take precedence in the state.
Also secular do not mean that some nondescript minorities can force on majority their morality and rules. I take tyranny of majority any time over tyranny or minority.
the state is secular. Hence, yes, I believe pouring tax money into church's pockets is wrong.
You still do not get it - money or property returned - simple and then we can talk.
Regarding religious teachings. You can't possibly put an equal sign between teaching math, science, Polish or English and teaching fairy tales, prayers and indoctrinating our kids. The former should be subsidized in a social country. The latter should be eliminated from public funding. Move catechesis back to the church, where it belongs.
We are back to square one. Fine but all Catholics parents who wish to give their children Catholic education should be able to do that and accordingly their taxes should be reduced by a substantial margin.
Semantics. The governments takes tax money and gives it to the church.
the reality - the government takes taxes and squanders it the government refused to return the church property and then give some pennies as a token gesture to the Church but buzz about it all the
time.
Again, there is no transparency. The church should report every single grosz it receives, just like any other person, institution, NGO, charity. Then, everything that was given away as charity should be tax free, everything else - taxed. Simple as that.
Are you for a small government? For people to take care for their monies themselves? It is a very strange statement i th light of your claims? Do you think that the
Church are not people or they do not deserve the rights you grand to other anonymous people?
The privileges of the Church haven't changed,
privileges that exist only in your mind. The Church in Poland earned its position many times over.
Our church leaders are lobbyists. Can't you see how they influence the ruling class?
No I don't. The ruling class are just redundant waste.
Read up. If the majority tells you to praise Allah 5 times a day or be booked into the big house, then maybe you'll start thinking about the rights of minorities.
What are you taking about? Nobody is going force religion on anybody and never did. Reading ideological bulshyet written by foreigners and Soviets addled your brain. Polish Church and the law induced conversions? Pure fiction from the fairly land.
Well the problem is that incoherence with this arbitrarily set moral law, which is written into current legislature, poses real problems to people who choose not to follow it, including jail time
the only people who have a problem with the moral law are those who are dangerously derailed.
. As for the assassination, I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about...
Association that is. Your association are your responsibility especially as it do not reflect reality.
