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Midas   
14 Aug 2011
UK, Ireland / Is moving to UK now a good idea? - antipolish prejudice of the Brits [231]

That fact makes it very strange that all their resentment is concentrating on Poles, don't you think?

That "resentment" is mostly in your own head.

Bottom line here is - if you happen to be a professional whose skills are highly in demand and at the same time happen to be bothered by the fact that a very small percentage of UK's population aren't too happy with Polish people - by all means take your skills and knowledge to some other country.

That's the solution to your "problem", nobody in the UK is going to bend over backwards to have you here and if you honestly care so much about what a few ******** think then you going somewhere else will benefit everyone.

Besides, many of those who come to UK HAVE ALL THE RIGHT TO DO SO - as they are coming from the former colonies

Complete and utter nonsense. Doesn't apply to Poles anyway. Do the Ukrainians have the right to invade Poland by the millions due to Poland pretty much owning Ukraine until the Partitions?

In comparison I don't think many foreigners have the moral right to come to Poland - except for maybe Polish diaspora from the east.

Yeah, moral right people, let's form a circle and sing.

British people can come to Poland and work - Poland is part of the EU now. The fact that they're not doing it is grounded purely in economics.

Poland once had over 3 million Jews. That was almost 10% of society - totally culturally different.

And when exactly was that? Plus, didn't Poland once tell its Jewish citizens that they'd be better off in Israel? Hardly a good argument there, mate.

If the boot was on the other foot, how would they cope?

Assuming, for example, that the Polish will figure their shale gas in 10 years - I honestly don't see them being as open to immigration as the UK was/is. If 2.000.000 Englishmen immigrated to Poland in a span of a couple of years and started competing for the jobs on the local job market - my guess is there would probably be a civil war. I can honestly see Jarek Kaczynski right now, as he jumps on two stools and yells at the microphone :-)
Midas   
14 Aug 2011
UK, Ireland / Is moving to UK now a good idea? - antipolish prejudice of the Brits [231]

Looking at TS's original post

I may have some job offers waiting for me in the UK but I started to wonder whether moving there is such a good idea. I mean, I'm proud of being Polish and wouldn't accept being treated as a second class citizen. I also wouldn't like hearing that I should go back to where I came from.

UK is not my only choice so I don't see a point in going there if I can get a better treatment somewhere else. Will British kids throw stones at me and will I be questioned by the police once a local swan goes missing or are we talking more subtle forms of resentment here?

By all means if you're worried by such examples of anti-Polish behaviour feel free to take your highly-in-demand and professional persona to another country.

I could probably fill a book full of antipolish comments coming from British people. So, I reckon, I should just mark Britain as "antipolish and racist" on my map and ignore any offers that come from there?

And I could probably fill two books with anti-British comments made by some Polish people. Just read the thread about the "English Yobs in Cracow" on this forum. So what?

The United Kingdom is a country with a long history of tolerance for outsiders. It has accepted waves after waves of people coming from very different cultures ( Indians, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, Chinese, people from the Carribean, Greeks, loads of Eastern Europeans since 2004 ) and has endured. I cannot honestly imagine Poland taking in 2.000.000 British people over the course of a couple of years right now, especially if said people went on to compete for jobs with the Polish.
Midas   
14 Aug 2011
Love / Don't want others to join us at a table - is it normal for Polish girls to get angry? [161]

Ok, some of you guys are going back to blaming the threadstarter for what happened or pretending he's a dumbass who can't tell a date from another social occasion :

Well, I read all your comments and you seem like a pretty smart guy ...except when you drink.

I will repeat myself and ask again-When did we establish that it was actually a date?

Again, I believe that it comes down to cultural differences and upbringing. Because of that you guys are simply unable to place any form of significant blame of that chick and keep looking for excuses to place it on the threadstarter. Not too nice, I have to say.

Then along comes grubas with his utterly ridiculous comments:

I will repeat and you guys better remember :
THE FACT THAT A WOMAN ACCEPTS YOUR INVITATION TO GO OUT DOES NOT ALWAYS MEAN THAT SHE IS GOING TO F U C K YOU OR LET YOU F U C K HER.

Seriously, when did that even enter the picture? Get a hold of yourself because you're accusing people ( unjustly and not for the first time ) of having some extremely negative character traits.

Regarding the topic itself:

1) It is telling that none of the threadstarter's "opponents" even attempted to tackle my "gender-reversed" example. Most likely because you couldn't rationally explain why you'd apply different standards to a male ( "he's a dick!!!" ) and a female ( "nothing wrong here, move along please" ) engaging in exactly the same behaviour.

2) The more we discuss the more painfully obvious it becomes that we come from two different cultural backgrounds. And why I understand how Polish people are ( or perhaps "were" ) brought up, I'd also like to ask some of you ( you know whom I'm talking about right now ) to be less negative towards the threadstarter.

There are societies ( UK happens to be one of them ) in which it isn't always common to apply a double standard to males and females in some matters and in which the threshold of tolerance for behaviour that can be described as rude or promiscuous doesn't vary based on the gender of the offender. In Poland the double standard ( as in - "females are allowed more" ) is applied all the time.

This is very clear if You actually read the title of the thread which is "is this normal for polish girls?". Why would the author ask such a question? In my mind there's little doubt he asked it, because he found the behaviour of his polish date baffling, to say the least, and certainly not something that's expected of a female ( a non-chav, +18 y.o. female to be specific ) in the UK.

The bottom line seems to be that in many cultures what the girl did can be viewed as both rude ( to her date ) and promiscuous ( holding up an improvised competition during the date to see which guy gives her more attention ). Poland is obviously not one of such cultures, but that's besides the point here.

3) "how many minutes"

20, tops. There's no doubt in my mind that "confused" showed extreme tolerance and restraint allowing this thing to go on for 2 hours.
Midas   
13 Aug 2011
Love / Don't want others to join us at a table - is it normal for Polish girls to get angry? [161]

Then what happens....... Do you A stick with the 35 year old respected chick or B switch to the younger, better looking 25 year old.

I would, without a shadow of doubt, spare my date the utter embarrassment of having to sit around and watch me pay my full attention to someone else. Such behaviour is rude and speaks volumes about one's character.

OK guys, I think I'm gonna sign out now, but I will come back with an update next weekend.

Best of luck then.

This reminds me of ye olden days ( also known as the 80's :-) ) when I had a company ( a "firma polonijna" ) up and running in Warsaw. Back then no sensible wife/girlfriend would allow their man to go on a business trip to the Eastern Block, because women from Eastern Europe simply stopped at nothing in their pursuit of a "Western man".

So back then I often cooperated with a local, Polish guy who at the time was a young and up-and-coming professional and now is a middle aged, bald rich guy who doesn't need to work anymore. He was pretty good at his job and I actually recommended him to a number of people, which in turn contributed to him having a halfway decent start-up capital when Poland decided to embrace capitalism. But I digress.

When we cooperated in the 80's he adhered to one golden rule - never, under any circumstances, would he allow his then young and pretty wife to attend any social meetings where us - foreigners doing business in Poland - would be present. I think it went as far as him actually not telling us he was married for quite some time. His reasoning was simple - he believed his young WIFE ( not girlfriend or fiancee ) would leave him if she ever met a foreigner.

I guess he heard you coming even back then, Wroclaw :-)
Midas   
13 Aug 2011
Love / Don't want others to join us at a table - is it normal for Polish girls to get angry? [161]

I believe we're not going to reach a consensus here.

Some of us come from a culture in which what she did is, as was nicely put here, highly disrespectful to her date ( Confused ). I for one remain convinced that he was being VERY BLOODY PATIENT, I mean he waited for 2 hours before he told the guy to leave and made sure his "date" wasn't in earshot when he did it.

Others come from a culture where it is perfectly ok for a female to organise competitions during a date on which she agreed to go on with one of the guys. So, you're basically ok with a Polish Princess being a law unto herself and setting her own rules because she's so special. And based on that belief you guys hurl some insults at the threadstarter, which is rather uncalled for.

Perhaps this will at least partially convince some of you...

Let's say I'm really trying to go out on a date with this 35-year-old woman, who happens to be a well respected professional and has a rather stable personality. So I'm working my charms, she doesn't exactly consider me the man of her dreams but she agrees to give me a go and we go on a date.

So I take her to a fancy nightspot and 10 minutes into our date I see a 25-year-old girl I know, I ask her to sit by our table and I spend the rest of the "date" talking to the younger girl and telling her how pretty her eyes are.

Now I'm rather sure that some of you would call me a complete dickhead for doing that. Yet, despite the fact that this example is almost a carbon copy of what happened to the threadstarter, you fail to place any blame on his date.

And as for gfs I have had about 3 dozens of them.From Poland (many),Russia,USA,Czech Rep,Slovakia,Latvia,New Zeland and even ******* Nepal.Believe it or not I don't care.Dude I live in Ocean City MD every sommer there is plenty of chicks from different countries around here.@Wroclaw Boy aka sissy boy.

It is indeed very mature to point towards the number of women one had relations with as proof of one's knowledge of the female mind.

Way to go, grubas.

He resembles me those embittered women who are male-hater just because they met one wrong guy, with that difference he is a man and the object is a woman. :)

Madam, please keep your playground psychology out of this topic.

I understand that you might be annoyed by the fact that I've bested you in a discussion once or twice, but calling me names isn't the way to deal with it :-)
Midas   
13 Aug 2011
Love / Don't want others to join us at a table - is it normal for Polish girls to get angry? [161]

Good post, Midas. Shalom!

Thank you Seanus :-)

Thank you guys for all your time and thoughts, if I don't keep in touch with this chick I'll probably have no reason to come here but you guys have been awesome.

We are happy to share our wealth of knowledge about Poland and Polish females with you.

Other than that confused:

I fully understand where you're coming from. You probably treated her very well and in return she came back at you with the behaviour that in the UK isn't exactly expected from women older than 18. You sat there, took it and waited politely for her to do the right thing and when she didn't you did what every guy would do ( told the other dude to beat it ). In response she of all people started complaining...

Yeah, unless one gets what the "Polish Princess" syndrome does to a girl's mind it is incredibly difficult to understand this situation.

You are indeed correct that ignoring her is the only option. Either she'll just bugger off or she'll get back to you in a week/month/two months asking what's wrong with you and why you're not calling her. If that happens just remember not to treat her like she's anything special and bring your A game to the table next time.

On your side you never should treating her friend like that. He was a stranger for you and it's not you who should tell him that he was interrupting.

Madam, you're showing exactly what I'm talking about. Confused mentioned that his lady friend made this "contest" go on for 2 hours before nipping off to the loo. 20 minutes of buddy chat and then her telling him "I'm sorry, look, date, uhm, uhm, isn't there some other place you got to be" is what is expected of a woman in most places ( ok, perhaps not from a Polish Princess in Poland or a Russian girl in Vladivostok ). After two bloody hours Confused was more than entitled to ask the guy to leave.
Midas   
13 Aug 2011
Love / Don't want others to join us at a table - is it normal for Polish girls to get angry? [161]

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Me being Jewish doesn't influence the fact that I've spent a ton of time in Poland ( I am in bloody Poland right now, as a matter of fact ) and even a lot more time working with Polish people. I know a bit or two about Poles, Polish women and Poland.

Other than that, my doctor says that my health is golden so I don't plan to be doing any burning in hell in a while, sorry.

confused:

In my humble opinion you sir are dealing with what is called a "Polish princess".

If I was in your shoes that night ( and that wouldn't happen since, for a variety of reasons, I don't date women from Eastern Europe nowadays ) I'd have simply stood up and left. That was the best, simple and elegant solution.

Now you can either indulge her and her games ( from what you wrote so far - there's going to be plenty of them ), kick her to the curb ( which I recommend ) or ignore her completely ( I do mean completely ) and await that 3AM text message asking why you don't call her anymore.

Your choice, sir.
Midas   
13 Aug 2011
Love / Don't want others to join us at a table - is it normal for Polish girls to get angry? [161]

If there were no rules I would have broken his jaw @grubas

Guys, guys, no need to get rude or aggressive, there's plenty of Polish women in England left for everyone, the majority of them aren't exactly nuns, so I'm sure that in due time both you and your last night's competition will get what you're looking for :-)

Regarding the incident itself:

First things first, the guy behaved like a first class ******, even considering that the English do have a reputation for cock-blocking.

Other than that I hate to break it to You, "confused", but you'll have to chalk up her behaviour to "cultural differences".

Your average UK, American or Western European woman that is already out of her teens indeed understands the concept of a date quite well and is aware that a man who takes her out on a date has the right to expect her to offer him at least some attention. Agreeing to go out on a date with Johnny and then spending 90% of the time chatting with Darren who decided to swoop in is in our societies considered very rude and impolite. Not to mention a girl who'd pull such a trick more than a few times would be branded a slut. Thus most girls from our cultural circle would have told the "other" guy, politely at first, to leave them and their date alone.

Now Polish women and women from Eastern Europe...well... quite often they don't understand the "dating" concept quite like we do. Due to the way they were raised they believe it is perfectly ok to hold spontaneous competitions during the date between the chap who asked them out and the dashing gentleman who for some reason just really, really needs to sit down with a couple. Then they just sit around, watch the boys compete for their attention and feel really good with themselves, since in their minds they figure they must be pretty damn special if "guys are fighting over them". Of course, since all of this is "out of their hands" they also consider their behaviour to be perfectly ok and not slutty at all.

Now, I personally think that your competitor had slightly more insight into the mind of an Eastern European woman than you did, which is precisely why he acted the way he did.

If you want to continue this particular "relationship" you'd better be ready for such shenanigans every other night you go out with that broad. Sorry to say, but all these stereotypes about the promiscuity of women from Eastern Europe didn't just materalize from thin air.

Cheers and good luck.
Midas   
9 Aug 2011
Love / Foreign Men and Polish Girls for Citizenship [59]

Pakistani, Indian or Bangladeshi, these are my guesses, in no particular order.

Get over the fact that a visible number of your compatriots consider Poland the new UK kid and stop throwing your weight around, as meagre as it is.
Midas   
9 Aug 2011
Real Estate / Apartment Rental Agencies in Łódź [16]

That's what the question that was asked ( 4 days ago, I might add )

Hi - I have an apartment in £ódź that I'd like to rent. Can anyone suggest good rental and management agencies in £ódź?

So yeah, pretty sure your contribution isn't really that helpful or necessary for that matter.
Midas   
9 Aug 2011
Love / Foreign Men and Polish Girls for Citizenship [59]

Im 27yrs and for my age,i think i travelled quite well.

Quite sure there's a number of people here that have travelled more extensively, myself included.

What is the big deal with Polish citizenship, even if Poland is EU member? ...i like my own citizenship, even if I am from developing 3rd country.

No big deal.

Just a huge spike in the number of people from the "3rd countries" trying to enter EU in general and gain a Polish citizenship in particular.

So guess some of your "3rd country" colleagues are of a different opinion than you :-)

Might have something to do with the difference in wages, I dunno.
Midas   
9 Aug 2011
Real Estate / Apartment Rental Agencies in Łódź [16]

Davidoff, Kleeberg and Maresh might be able to offer you some assistance: dkm.pl/pl/kontakt_one.php?biuro=3
Midas   
2 Aug 2011
Love / How do Polish guys feel about having an older girlfriend/wife? [30]

Ok, I'm afraid I'm going to be the bearer of bad news.

I asked him if he had a problem with my age and he said he didn't.

Polish guys are ( or in the very least - were ) raised to be extremely polite to women. Don't expect him to tell you that the age difference bothers him even if he feels so.

I know he SAYS my age doesn't bother him. But I sometimes wonder if he's too young to know what he really wants, and it will suddenly hit him one day and he'll change his mind.

Always a possibility when dating younger people.

I also wonder if his family wouldn't be happy about our age difference.
In general, do Poles look down on relationships where the woman is older than the man?

Crux of the matter.

My experiences show that Poles apply a double standard to males and females in that regard. That goes double in this case, because you're: a) female, b) older c) foreign.

Now, if a Polish girl who is, shall we say, 22, hits up London and 8 months down the road ends up living with a 35-year-old local guy in his flat he has a fair chance of being rather well accepted by this girl's family. Reasons:

1) Older guy, younger girl still seems to be more acceptable in Poland,

2) If the guy contributed to her living expenses while she was abroad that's usually seen as a huge plus by the girl's family,

3) Her mom is very likely to consider a foreigner a "good catch".

Looking at your case:

1) Older girl, younger guy - not as acceptable in Poland as the other way around.

2) You'll be foreign and a lot of Polish moms for some reason are really strict on their male children when it comes to dating and marrying only Polish women ( that's not applied to female children ).

3) To be quite frank - with what I just wrote above in a situation where you're both foreign and older his mom might actually think you're a waste of his time.

So I think it might be an uphill battle and if you want to continue down that road at least prepare accordingly.
Midas   
31 Jul 2011
Life / Racism and for what? (story of Egyptian guy's living in Poland) [149]

pip

Why is hoping to educate somebody arrogant?

Here's a hint:

1 ) Saying "Madam, I don't think you're right. If you took your sweet time, read some books and maybe travelled to countries where arabs actually live you would quickly see that not all of them, in fact, stink"

That's called trying to educate someone.

2)

I looked at her and I said in English "This is fcuking sh*t"

Now that's just being a rude, arrogant and condescending person.

And once again the double standard of Poland for Poles- yet Poles can live the fcuk wherever they want and have the right to an opinion of the host country is exhausting.

Yes, that's tragic in fact.

I mean, it is not like Indians, Arabs, Africans or hell, even the English would share such a mindset < sarcasm >.
Midas   
31 Jul 2011
Life / Racism and for what? (story of Egyptian guy's living in Poland) [149]

Very far from that.

Pretty much the very definition of regular joe. But by all means please throw in Your PhD about the social issues of Sudan in to contradict me.

You mentioned that you're in Sudan because you work in the petroleum industry.

Well, professor Jok Madut Jok most likely isn't there leaning over your shoulder and telling you where to look for oil, how to do it or which drill to use and generally making an ass out of himself by questioning your expertise.

So please be so kind and return the favour.
Midas   
31 Jul 2011
Life / Racism and for what? (story of Egyptian guy's living in Poland) [149]

My source - professor Jok Madut Jok - is an established member of the academia, who defended his doctoral thesis at a university which probably wouldn't even let you study for a B.A. in wood cutting and is a recognized expert on the issue who publishes books on the subject.

You're a regular joe with no expertise in the matter.

My bet is with him being right and you being wrong. By the way, I wonder if you think you can pilot a space shuttle better than an astronaut too :-)

Also, it is quite interesting that you're trying to brand the guy an extremist only after your initial attempt at twisting what he wrote failed. Classy.

Anyway, tell us why you think that racism 'isn't' largely a white on black thing.

Already did.
Midas   
31 Jul 2011
Life / Racism and for what? (story of Egyptian guy's living in Poland) [149]

A polemicist with an axe to grind. But nice for you that you have so much free time to trawl the internet looking for quotes.

Well, those of us who actually have any background in proper debating techniques and academia use sources.

Trying to ridicule use of sources is very mature on your part.

Wait, so is saying a professor at an established university who published books on the subject is wrong and you're right :-)

Plus, I have to mention a little process called "peer-review" that you might not be aware of, but it takes place somewhere during the publication process of most papers and books written by academics. Google it. Peer review does ensure a "polemicist with an axe to grind" doesn't get to publish unfounded lies and bullshit.

And you're still wrong - racism is largely a white on black phenomena.

Nope ( there, using the same "arguing" technique that you use ).
Midas   
31 Jul 2011
Life / Racism and for what? (story of Egyptian guy's living in Poland) [149]

You've just been proven wrong, especially in the Sudan case ( hold on to that thought about one race, lol ) where academic sources directly contradict what you wrote and now you're just having a bad case of last-word-itis.

Don't worry, it will pass.
Midas   
31 Jul 2011
Life / Racism and for what? (story of Egyptian guy's living in Poland) [149]

And the racially motivated conflict in Sudan ( whose existence I assume you try to deny by contradicting established academic sources and saying there is only one race in Sudan ) of course has everything to do with the evil whitey?
Midas   
31 Jul 2011
Life / Racism and for what? (story of Egyptian guy's living in Poland) [149]

Beep - wrong! No they don't

I see someone has to work on their sarcasm detector.

Well I hate to rain on your parade here but despite the initial stories, she wasn't actually raped.

Well, let's start by saying you need to clean your ears ASAP. I linked this interview:

cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7364550n

4:20 she describes an ongoing sexual assault,

4:40 says how she was pulled away from the camera crew by the mob,

5:25 mentions how her clothes were torn off her,

6:10 claims that she really feared for her life,

7:30 says a sexual assault is going on and that someone ( not specified ) was "inside her", then goes on to say that after that she was fighting for her life for roughly 20 minutes,

8:55

a group of Egyptian women who took her to a group of Egyptian soldiers who took her to hospital. Well, looks like you are wrong again, Midas.

- more hearing problems I see, the interview material makes it clear the soldiers only intervened after the pleas from Lara Logan's camera crew.

11:09 downright says she was treated in the hospital for days also for injuries to her intimate parts.

So there you have it, I don't know where exactly rape starts in your own private Idaho, but for most people when a woman mentions the attacker was "inside her" and gets treated for days in the hospital also due to "intimate injuries" - that usually warrants a bit more of a reaction than a casual shrug of shoulders.

In legal terms UK nowadays indeed differentiates between "rape" and "sexual assault", some countries don't. Poland is amongst them, art. 197 of the Polish Criminal Code covers what can be loosely translated to both "rape" and "sexual assault".

In this light, I don't really understand your cool and casual attitude pertaining to this incident and you saying the story ( I presume - words coming out of her mouth since I linked the interview ) is "unreliable" is simply low. Wonder how would you feel if your loved was assaulted or raped and the officer assigned to the case dismissed her story as unreliable.

The fact remains, and I stand by my original point that he can't come on here saying he was wrong in his original preception that Poland was a racially tolerant, open minded country and after an unsavoury incident that its entire population were now actually one in the same as those that beat him.

Exactly the above. The TS acts as if he stepped down from heaven and was assaulted by a bunch of Polish savages, then goes on to claim that nothing like this would happen in egypt.

I called BS on that, provided proof and we saw the usual routine that ( complain all you want ) fits into a certain stereotype rather well. First the people who say the TS isn't right and provide proof are right away being called racists by the TS ( p. 2, ell's post ), which is pretty much a threat going along the lines "Don't disagree with me or I'll cry RACISSS". Then we're being fed a bunch of lines that the incident used to prove a point ( whose existence was initially denied altogether by TS - "nothing like this would happen in egypt" ) is supposedly an isolated case and shouldn't be taken into account. Of course while doing so the TS regrettably fails to notice the stark contrast, between the fact that he easily managed to brand a whole country ( Poland in this case ) based on one isolated case of battery, while at the same time claiming one shouldn't draw any conclusions about his place of birth due to the fact that over a 100 guys sexually assaulted a woman for being white and blonde over there. Hypocrisy which again, some might say, fits a certain stereotype.

That's how such discussions usually go down. Also, should someone ask the TS how would a white guy fare if he walked around some egyptian city for two hours and publicly made out with an egyptian woman he'd probably receive some kind of BS answer that would have nothing to do with reality whatsoever.

However, ell's true colors shine through once he learns I'm Jewish. Out comes a very long rant ( wonder if he was actually frothing at the mouth when he typed ) which is highly charged with negative emotions to say the least. It does give everyone a hint about what would actually happen to me if I walked around egypt flaunting my backgroud, or, heaven forbid, publicly kissed an egyptian woman and encountered ell and his 5 friends back on their home turf.
Midas   
31 Jul 2011
Love / Polish women USED TO BE much more attractive: [162]

The time I spent in Poland in this century and in various decades of the previous century make me more than qualified to speak out.

And here's my take on this:

It isn't fair to say Polish women USED TO BE much more attractive. However, if anyone spent any significant amount of time in Poland in the 1980's or the early 1990's one thing does stick out - people in general ( both genders ) are now MUCH more obese then they used to be back then. I suppose it has something to do with the food - back in the 1980's if one had dinner at a decent restaurant in Warsaw there was a noticeable difference in the quality of food between Poland and the UK. I guess it is fair to say Polish food back then was, how to put it, more real, without all the chemical stuff that was routinely pumped into the food back in the West. There were no fast-food restaurants, at least as far as I recall, either.

Nowadays things have pretty much evened out, hence the rise in the number of Polish fatties ( both genders ) which in turn might translate into the female population becoming slightly less attractive.
Midas   
31 Jul 2011
Life / Racism and for what? (story of Egyptian guy's living in Poland) [149]

So in fact you're quoting from a polemicist with extreme views in

Sure, here's the man's bio.

usip.org/experts/jok-madut-jok

A fellowship from the Woodrow Wilson center, a PhD from UCLA. He must have had really extreme views to obtain them.
Midas   
31 Jul 2011
Love / Foreign Men and Polish Girls for Citizenship [59]

Am I to divine from your missive that you are labouring under the misconception that your English is fluent?

Divine whatever you want, doesn't bother me.

My language skills in that area are head and shoulders above those of the guy I quoted.

And what are your comments about the economic state of the EU doing in this thread ( they have very little to do with the topic )?
Midas   
31 Jul 2011
Life / Racism and for what? (story of Egyptian guy's living in Poland) [149]

One at a time:

Johnnym:

Your sources do not say they are different races.

Which parts of:

biracial nation. and Race - not religion - is the fundamental fault line in Sudan,

are hard to understand?

I'm sorry - I quoted a professor from Loyola Marymount who is Sudanese, has a dozen or so publications, specializes in these issues and has built an academic career around this.

All you did was say was that you've been around and know better than the guy.

Here's a few more quotes from his book:

Black, non-muslim Sudanese:

I assure you, the Arabs are not people we want to share anything with and history speaks for us. We have never been one, we will never be one ... They have done terrible things to us. We are not one race.

Black Sudanese:

One
Darfurian informant said:

Because Islam says that there is no distinction between Arab and non-Arab, we the non-Arab Muslims believe that we are brothers with all the rest of the world's Muslims, but our Arab brothers in
the north do not see it this way. They think that they are better Muslims because their race brings them closer to the Prophet, and that blacks can never make good Muslims.

Care to elaborate more about how they're supposedly not talking about race and skin color? Apparently now you also know this stuff better than the Sudanese people themselves.

Hence if you're really in Sudan, please be so kind and climb on a tall building or something, grab the microphone and tell them guys that they're wrong, they're all of one race and thus there's no reason to fight. I'm sure they'll understand and you'll get a Nobel Peace Prize out of the deal.

woodgey

SLIGHTLY misrepresenting the issue here...

Sure.

I mean rapes like that of Lara Logan happen in most European states every other weekend. Polish males, they usually go apeshit crazy if in a given month they fail to gang-rape a woman of another race. <strong sarcasm>

Here's the link to what Lara said publicly about the ordeal: cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7364550n

What she says makes my stomach crawl. People ( more than a 100 egyptian males participated ) who did this to her are savages and should end up in prison until the end of their days.

If you tolerate or in any way defend such behaviour ( "mispresenting the issue" ) I have nothing to say to you, because you're quite simply not human. You're just the type of guy who'd gladly say Poland is racist when one egyptian gets his teeth knocked out over there, yet you will still label egypt a tolerant paradise while they tolerate such savage crimes as the one that was committed on Lara Logan.

And yes, as long as Egypt tolerates such behaviour ( haven't heard anything about anyone being caught or sentenced in the case ) egyptians don't really have much of a right to complain about other people being racist to them. She got raped because she was white, American and pretty. Period.

Beata_Fattah

Madam, please learn to spell in English or at least use google translate. I will not reply to any of your posts until they're at least semi-readable.

pip

I have a huge issue with Poles that live outside of Poland yet have a double standard with others immigrating to Poland.

An issue that in any way, shape or form doesn't affect people of other race/nationality, of course. I mean, I've never seen an arab live a double life ( different behaviour in London, different in Saudi Arabia ) <sarcasm>

I have a story for you.

Is there any moral to the story? Apart from the fact that you can be rude and condescending to people publicly?

Regardless whether this girl was from Poland B, C or D and whether she was educated or stupid she has the right to her own opinions.

I take it you're the kind of Polish lady that got hooked up with a foreigner and hence considers herself a worldly woman. Fact check, madam, it doesn't work that way.

ell

First, there's the English issue. As with beata_fattah, please be so kind and actually try to use proper English why you post here. You claim to be an educated man, I don't think it should be that much of a problem.

- SO CLOSE YOUR MOUTH AND SAY NOTHINGS MORE ..

Or what?

You'll call the religious police or try to have me stoned/shot for being a Jew and having a different opinion? Most of us here are from a European background, so this isn't going to fly.

Thin you start to try to sow or Growing hostility by talking about Christians and muslims !

I quoted academic sources on Sudan, so I guess you can accuse them of sowing hostility. The Sudanese professor I quoted might be muslim for all I know, which makes your statement even more ludicrous.

I was born in saudi Arabia the city of al Khubar and lived in Dubai and thin I returns back to my country and you know what we trait foreigners so much better than we do even with each others and they take the best of what we have ..

Again, you are being kind enough to treat Us like donkeys and feed us complete BS:

Migrant workers in Saudi Arabia and Dubai ( usually of Indian or Bangladeshi origin ) constantly complain about discrimination, it is a commonly known fact.

do you know how many foreigners working their .. how many Polish your leaders or tour guides or working in hotels or in tourism sector or real state .. try to search on google and find out !! so don't talk about it like we don't trait foreigners good ..

Obviously, while doing real estate deals I constantly bump into Polish people who earned the first measly few million zlotys to start up in the business by way of being tour guides in Hurghada <strong sarcasm>

You have to employ Polish, because Polish tourists are bringing in the money, so it is not like you're doing anyone a favour. Sharm and Hurghada would be much worse off without Eastern European money.

being rude with everybody who is not accepting or just say yes to everythings to says like you are the only person who know everythings , and thin telling me that am lastperson who should speak ..:

Yes, yes, the evil, abominable Jews.

Change the tape, I've heard this one a dozen times.

Your links

I'm afraid you missed this one: jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?ID=198286&R=R1

Apparently our latest tactic in combating the egyptian menace has something to do with training sharks. Good things we haven't started to equip sharks with laser cannons and torpedoes, I mean think about the damage...

My message to you is simple - if Poland is such a terrible racist hellhole that you make it to be, please take your "lovely wife" and go live in egypt. I'm sure there's plenty of careers over there in which both of you can flourish. A simple, elegant solution.
Midas   
30 Jul 2011
Life / Racism and for what? (story of Egyptian guy's living in Poland) [149]

Yes, you are trolling.

Pot calling kettle.

But it does however mean I know rather more than someone who is just cutting and pasting out of context.

Your words are in direct contradiction with established academic sources. They claim that there's a biracial nation and a conflict along the lines of race, not religion in Sudan. You say there is one race in Sudan. Hence in my book - you're most likely an undereducated guy talking about stuff you know little about and the academic sources are right.

But everyone is free to reach their own opinion, enough material has been provided.

So you're suggesting suggesting that people who are black - or, in your words "Other cultures, very often dominated/created by people with not-so-white skin" don't "give a ****" about racism?

I'll put it this way.

If You happen to be black and got turned away from a nightclub door in Tokyo with the bouncers saying some racially-charged words then good luck with your lawsuit.

do you think that racism is in every circumstance an abomination? Or not?

Racism is an abomination. People of all shapes, sizes and colors can be racists. Racism isn't something that only white people are capable of.

Please adjust your tone when writing on the forum. Thank you

Why, with pleasure. While we're at it, hope Johnny's bit about my supposedly "limited intellect" that got me a bit stingy won't go unnoticed as well.