TheOther
5 Jun 2010
Travel / Public Transportation in Poland [30]
He's using the Dutch name for the Polish capital...
using the German name for the Polish capital
He's using the Dutch name for the Polish capital...
TheOther
4 Jun 2010
History / 'Poland: A Knight Among Nations' - Book about Poland by an American Author, dated 1907 [51]
Yes. And if this happens and is generally accepted by other nations, then it's called annexation. can we get back to the book please
Because there are a few folks here on PF who tend to insist that only the Polish version of history is correct. One has to challenge that occasionally. :)
Which means that it CAN be dissolved
Yes. And if this happens and is generally accepted by other nations, then it's called annexation. can we get back to the book please
why did you feel the urge to bring this subject up?
Because there are a few folks here on PF who tend to insist that only the Polish version of history is correct. One has to challenge that occasionally. :)
TheOther
4 Jun 2010
History / WWII - who really was the first to help Poland? [900]
Tell me, who declared war on whom at the beginning of WW2?
they only fought when they were attacked
Tell me, who declared war on whom at the beginning of WW2?
TheOther
4 Jun 2010
History / 'Poland: A Knight Among Nations' - Book about Poland by an American Author, dated 1907 [51]
The nations that partitioned Poland tried and succeeded in making their moves legit, because "Amid the distractions of the French Revolution and its attendant wars, however, no state actively opposed the annexations" (from the source you mentioned: last paragraph).
That and simple imperialism.
"seized and held by one state that tries to make its move legitimate by being recognised by the other international bodies"
The nations that partitioned Poland tried and succeeded in making their moves legit, because "Amid the distractions of the French Revolution and its attendant wars, however, no state actively opposed the annexations" (from the source you mentioned: last paragraph).
The Polish Partitions were systematic means for the Autocratic States to make sure that Poland did not become a democracy
That and simple imperialism.
TheOther
4 Jun 2010
History / 'Poland: A Knight Among Nations' - Book about Poland by an American Author, dated 1907 [51]
The content looks interesting, that's all I can say at the moment.
Welcome to the world of PF... ;)
The content looks interesting, that's all I can say at the moment.
Yet somehow this thread has mutated into a bickering over semantics, neo-nazism and overall absolutely nothing that has to do with the topic.
Welcome to the world of PF... ;)
TheOther
3 Jun 2010
History / 'Poland: A Knight Among Nations' - Book about Poland by an American Author, dated 1907 [51]
I use the Wikipedia definitions, if you don't mind.
Occupation:
Military occupation occurs when the control and authority over a territory passes to a hostile army.
An occupied geo-political entity is not necessarely dissolved.
Annexation:
Is the de jure incorporation of some territory into another geo-political entity. Annexation is a unilateral act where territory is seized and held by one state that tries to make its move legitimate by being recognised by the other international bodies (i.e. countries and intergovernmental organisations).
The annexation of the Polish territory was recognized by most nations; thus the country officially ceased to exist.
what exactly is the difference between annexed and occupied in this particular situation
I use the Wikipedia definitions, if you don't mind.
Occupation:
Military occupation occurs when the control and authority over a territory passes to a hostile army.
An occupied geo-political entity is not necessarely dissolved.
Annexation:
Is the de jure incorporation of some territory into another geo-political entity. Annexation is a unilateral act where territory is seized and held by one state that tries to make its move legitimate by being recognised by the other international bodies (i.e. countries and intergovernmental organisations).
The annexation of the Polish territory was recognized by most nations; thus the country officially ceased to exist.
TheOther
3 Jun 2010
History / 'Poland: A Knight Among Nations' - Book about Poland by an American Author, dated 1907 [51]
Well, not my fault that you got indoctrinated by your commie history teacher... ;)
Well, not my fault that you got indoctrinated by your commie history teacher... ;)
TheOther
3 Jun 2010
History / 'Poland: A Knight Among Nations' - Book about Poland by an American Author, dated 1907 [51]
Bad hair day again, Sokrates? :)
Bad hair day again, Sokrates? :)
TheOther
3 Jun 2010
History / 'Poland: A Knight Among Nations' - Book about Poland by an American Author, dated 1907 [51]
Exactly. There was no international law and the powers of that time didn't give a hoot whether the annexed country agreed or resisted (to) its annexation or not. Just look at maps of the era. Where is Poland? Not there. Why? Because it was annexed and not occupied. That's the international consensus, whether you like it or not.
Madparasol got it right when he said that "to an outsider it was a partition (=annexation), to a Pole it was an occupation." Let's leave it at that.
there was no international law to justify annexation so the worlds acceptance or lack of thereof
Exactly. There was no international law and the powers of that time didn't give a hoot whether the annexed country agreed or resisted (to) its annexation or not. Just look at maps of the era. Where is Poland? Not there. Why? Because it was annexed and not occupied. That's the international consensus, whether you like it or not.
Madparasol got it right when he said that "to an outsider it was a partition (=annexation), to a Pole it was an occupation." Let's leave it at that.
TheOther
3 Jun 2010
History / 'Poland: A Knight Among Nations' - Book about Poland by an American Author, dated 1907 [51]
plk123, skysoulmate
There were only two or three countries that did not accept the annexation; the rest of the world simply kissed Poland goodbye and accepted the status quo. Just a simple historical fact, nothing more.
plk123, skysoulmate
There were only two or three countries that did not accept the annexation; the rest of the world simply kissed Poland goodbye and accepted the status quo. Just a simple historical fact, nothing more.
TheOther
3 Jun 2010
History / 'Poland: A Knight Among Nations' - Book about Poland by an American Author, dated 1907 [51]
The areas were annexed, not occupied...
on the lives of Poles in the partitioned areas occupied by Russia, Prussia and Austria
The areas were annexed, not occupied...
TheOther
2 Jun 2010
UK, Ireland / The number of Anti-English Poles... [228]
You speak Kisuaheli? Cool. ;)
yet I was forced to learn and speak the most iritating language on the planet for 5 years
You speak Kisuaheli? Cool. ;)
TheOther
2 Jun 2010
UK, Ireland / The number of Anti-English Poles... [228]
Because those countries are important for UK business?
why the hell should we learn German or French at school when we fought with both of the god awful countries?
Because those countries are important for UK business?
TheOther
2 Jun 2010
Life / HOW WOULD YOU DESCRIBE POLAND IN 2010? [84]
You know that the Morgenthau Plan also included the idea to exterminate large parts of the German population through starvation?
You know that the Morgenthau Plan also included the idea to exterminate large parts of the German population through starvation?
TheOther
1 Jun 2010
News / Warsaw a "big winner" in city life quality index [26]
I was really astonished to see Auckland, NZ, so high up on the list. That city is a dump full of gangs and (what the Kiwis call) boy racers.
I was really astonished to see Auckland, NZ, so high up on the list. That city is a dump full of gangs and (what the Kiwis call) boy racers.
TheOther
1 Jun 2010
News / Warsaw a "big winner" in city life quality index [26]
mercer.com/qualityoflivingpr#City_Ranking_Tables
mercer.com/qualityoflivingpr#City_Ranking_Tables
TheOther
1 Jun 2010
Life / HOW WOULD YOU DESCRIBE POLAND IN 2010? [84]
Ever heard of the Morgenthau Plan?
Western Germany received money from the USA and other countries after WWII to rebuild its economy
Ever heard of the Morgenthau Plan?
TheOther
30 May 2010
History / Miracle of the Vistula 80th anniversary? [56]
The US media almost always talks about Reagan having brought down the Iron Curtain, no one else. And to back up that statement, they show video footage of the Berlin Wall coming down. Walesa might be known in Chicago where he endorses strange politicians for cash. Remember?
the US media did not recognize what Walesa
The US media almost always talks about Reagan having brought down the Iron Curtain, no one else. And to back up that statement, they show video footage of the Berlin Wall coming down. Walesa might be known in Chicago where he endorses strange politicians for cash. Remember?
TheOther
26 May 2010
News / What's the stupidest question asked about Poland? [414]
Is Poland in central or eastern Europe?
Is Poland in central or eastern Europe?
TheOther
24 May 2010
Life / COMBATING "POLACK" JOKES [460]
Nah, just some friendly criticism occasionally to prevent a few Plastic Poles from getting too excited... :)
MediaWatch doesn't get it. Hey MediaWatch, check this one out:
uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Usa
you keep knocking Poland either mildly or overtly
Nah, just some friendly criticism occasionally to prevent a few Plastic Poles from getting too excited... :)
no hate sites at all
MediaWatch doesn't get it. Hey MediaWatch, check this one out:
uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Usa
TheOther
24 May 2010
Life / COMBATING "POLACK" JOKES [460]
LOL. You have no idea what uncyclopedia is all about, do you?
anti-Polish Hate websites
LOL. You have no idea what uncyclopedia is all about, do you?
TheOther
24 May 2010
Life / COMBATING "POLACK" JOKES [460]
Try this:
uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Poland
Try this:
uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Poland
...village located on a small island in the Baltic Sea, Poland is famous for its corridor, which was a big political issue. The Polish Corridor was the origin of corridor politics. About 50% of all people who are alive today that come from Poland now live in Ireland.
TheOther
15 May 2010
News / 1945-2010 Poles will march on Red square [66]
And that would be exactly what, you clown? Do you want to deny that those 3.5 million members of the PZPA were Poles, just because you don't like what they did to your country? Be a bit more realistic instead of overly nationalistic. And besides: what's the problem to accept the communist era as part of Poland's history?
I know what you are on about
And that would be exactly what, you clown? Do you want to deny that those 3.5 million members of the PZPA were Poles, just because you don't like what they did to your country? Be a bit more realistic instead of overly nationalistic. And besides: what's the problem to accept the communist era as part of Poland's history?
TheOther
15 May 2010
News / 1945-2010 Poles will march on Red square [66]
ROTFL!!! Do you have the slightest idea where I'm from? Hint: you are a guest there...
You were the one who agreed to call your fellow countrymen "Soviet Puppets", man. I was just calling them what they were - Poles.
because unlike the Poles, you attachment to your country is only skin deep
ROTFL!!! Do you have the slightest idea where I'm from? Hint: you are a guest there...
This is a slightly hard concept for you to understand, but if your whole livelihood depended on party membership and how far you were going to get in life
You were the one who agreed to call your fellow countrymen "Soviet Puppets", man. I was just calling them what they were - Poles.
TheOther
14 May 2010
News / 1945-2010 Poles will march on Red square [66]
That was not my point. If Wikipedia's numbers are correct, the PZPA had over 3.5 million members in the 1970's. That's roughly 10% of the total population of that time. You cannot call 10% of the Polish population "Soviet puppets" and pretend that they never existed or were not "real" Poles, as quite a few people on PF want you to believe.
can you find a country more anti Soviet than Poland before the second world war?
That was not my point. If Wikipedia's numbers are correct, the PZPA had over 3.5 million members in the 1970's. That's roughly 10% of the total population of that time. You cannot call 10% of the Polish population "Soviet puppets" and pretend that they never existed or were not "real" Poles, as quite a few people on PF want you to believe.
TheOther
14 May 2010
News / 1945-2010 Poles will march on Red square [66]
That doesn't change the fact that it were Poles who worked with the Soviets and helped them to control their country and their fellow countrymen until 1989. Why is that so hard to accept? It's part of Poland's history.
You mean the Soviet puppets of Poland
you're talking about SOVIET controlled Poland
That doesn't change the fact that it were Poles who worked with the Soviets and helped them to control their country and their fellow countrymen until 1989. Why is that so hard to accept? It's part of Poland's history.
TheOther
13 May 2010
News / ANTI-POLONISM IN EUROPE [39]
That's actually the fun part of this forum... :)
Taking things far too seriously is also a frequent problem on this forum
That's actually the fun part of this forum... :)
TheOther
13 May 2010
News / ANTI-POLONISM IN EUROPE [39]
You pick a tiny minority as an example? The NPD has less than 7000 members in Germany.
Besides: :) https://polishforums.com/archives/2005-2009/news/poland-bnp-far-right-39459/#msg787179
You pick a tiny minority as an example? The NPD has less than 7000 members in Germany.
Besides: :) https://polishforums.com/archives/2005-2009/news/poland-bnp-far-right-39459/#msg787179
TheOther
13 May 2010
News / ANTI-POLONISM IN EUROPE [39]
Because the comments you read are hardly ever true - simple as that.
I have read comments like yours and still wonder why the h'ell Poles want to work in Germany?
Because the comments you read are hardly ever true - simple as that.
TheOther
13 May 2010
Genealogy / Travel and migration in late 19th - early 20th centuries [9]
It is possible. For example, if people bought some land or were resettled.
People left their home mostly due to widespread poverty and diseases.
At that time the region was part of the Russian Empire.
Is it likely that people would have moved from the city to a small village 200 miles away
It is possible. For example, if people bought some land or were resettled.
Was this migration encouraged by the government?
People left their home mostly due to widespread poverty and diseases.
At that time, that region was under Russian occupation.
At that time the region was part of the Russian Empire.