UK, Ireland / Documentary on foreign and local workers in a town in England. [66]


I have no idea what courses and education systems your Dutch government provide.
In Ireland I see no reason why anyone should not have had training at least, as the government will pay for your education and you get grants, not much money but enough.

And the older you get the easier it is.
I know quite a few people who have done and are doing this, they also find part time imployment if possible. I myself worked nights in McDonalds the first year of college and cleaned taxis for the other years and jobs were probably equally as scarce in Ireland at that time as they are now.


My point is that you started to answer this thread without knowing what you are talking about because you had not seen the whole documentary.


As I have said I have worked in this town and other factories in England and other countries, if you want to measure who is the harder worker?


I have reported one company for their illegal practices.


Where did I say you didn't have disapline? where did I say anything about you?
You are taking this as if i am personally attacking you, I am not.


Read above, has the Dutch government no education or training programs for people exactly in your situation?


So show me another valid form of education, please.


Again taking this personally.
You are anything but stupid, we all know this.

UK, Ireland / Documentary on foreign and local workers in a town in England. [66]


What are you talking about?


Again, what are you talking about?
I do not understand you, please clarify.

UK, Ireland / Documentary on foreign and local workers in a town in England. [66]

I was looking for more info on education in the world but it kept coming up with America.
I just think that education is the way forward for America and Europe.
It is what most people in the world do not have and we do.

Here is an article by the BBC on the program
Are jobless Brits scared by hard work?
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/8533172.stm

UK, Ireland / Documentary on foreign and local workers in a town in England. [66]


I don't think that was the case, I do not think they picked people who would fail.
I do think that they picked the right town to fail but there are many factories in this area.
I got the job in London through an agency and was employed there the next day.
The same thing happened to me the year before in Ross-on-Wye (a different part of England) and it was a completely different experience (apart from some co-workers hating Irish).

Again I have to say the first and foremost problem the locals face is lack of education.

I would like to put education in to a global context and why i believe it is so important.
1% of people have a college education :


100 people a world portrait, I don't know how true this is but I am sure someone will point out the error of my ways if it isn't right.

100people.org/statistics_100stats.php?section=statistics


That would be great, then we can discuss it better.

UK, Ireland / Documentary on foreign and local workers in a town in England. [66]


I was amazed back in 1996 what a complete hole Wisbech was.
I got off the bus and there were a gang of kids, aged between 10 and 12 punching an old man in the face, I intervened.
But this was just typical of this town. In other words I certainly do not believe it was staged.

I would like to say now, that I had worked in another town in England the previous year, again to travel. And it was a delightful place, with genuine people. Unfortunately a few of the Brits that I worked with hated Irish and I had a struggle with them but apart from that it was a completely different experience. But there was less work there.


Watch the documentary, the Daily Mail are manipulating it, that is what I found amazing about it, the amazing conclusion they drew but I will say no more, each to their own conclusion.


Two out of the three turned up half an hour late on the first day, the other one did not turn up at all! I don't think either of them could count at all.

The lack of education seemed to be the first big problem these local people face.
They only had to work two days, not much if you ask me.


Did you watch the whole thing? It is in six parts.

UK, Ireland / The Daily Mail - coverage of the Polish people [161]


Sex, sex, sex, is that all you can think about? :)

I have met them both, I am a fan of Mary Robinson, very intelligent and a humanitarian, a great person in my opinion. McAleese, well, she is fine.


My point was that she is not elected and this sentence sounds wrong:


Australia still pay taxes to the Queen, do they? I remember, quite a while ago now, there was a referendum whether Australia should cut those ties and the majority wanted to remain with the Queen. Is that right or do I have it tail before head?

Law / Any good business ideas - what Poland needs? [114]


I am literally down to my last tea-bag.
Can you get Barry's tea in England?

I'll have to hang it out to dry when I have used it :)


Yep, difficult enough to get here, although it can be found.

UK, Ireland / The Daily Mail - coverage of the Polish people [161]

LOL! that made me laugh like hell :)

UK, Ireland / The Daily Mail - coverage of the Polish people [161]


I edited, I thought it was to presumptuous of me to say what is ''correct'' for another country.


We elect our presidents.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_Ireland#Selection

UK, Ireland / The Daily Mail - coverage of the Polish people [161]


Is that not a paradox? I know I am taking it out of context a bit but it doesn't sound right.
She is a monarch by birth and that is not democratic.


That sounds better.

Law / Any good business ideas - what Poland needs? [114]

One, Warsaw :)


That is a wide open question, perhaps you could be a little more precise
Are you thinking of import/export? of training? educating? etc?

Real Estate / Living costs & bills (2 bedroomed flat) in Legnica [7]

I could make a guess and say it is 55M2.

How old is the building?

It also depends on if it is insulated, you can start with the windows, are they new or old?

Different administrations charge different amounts, it is not possible to give you an exact figure but any more information you can give will get us closer to the real figure.

Work / Average monthly salary in Poland is around 1000 PLN (few hundred bucks). [387]


If the house is a (4 rooms), lets say 140 M2, and we apply your math at 2000PLN per metre that is 280,000 PLN which is 73684 Euro and it cost him 75000 to build.

Which is very cheap no matter how you look at it, in my opinion.


This winter has been the coldest for two decades, everyone's heating bill is particularly big this time. I was really lucky and bought loads of wood, to last about 4 winters but I will have enough for one more, if it is not as bad as this one.

What I keep thinking about are all those people who did not have electricity mid winter, they must have had to leave their houses.

Travel / Webcams of Krakow, Katowice and Wroclaw. [7]

Hi Frank,

I tried "Kamera online" instead and got the one for Katowice. Here it is, I got it from this site (Kamera.pl)
It looks like they do webcams all over Poland.
Something very cool is if you scroll down on that Kamera.pl page you get to stand in Broadway in NewYork and look all around, it is really cool, even if it is not what you are looking for.

One more thing is WikiMapia Poland, it is not a webcam but you click on various parts of the map and you can see photos that were taken of that place. And there is also google map of course.

Good luck.

Work / Average monthly salary in Poland is around 1000 PLN (few hundred bucks). [387]

I don't understand your post, if the guy built a house for that price, surely he could afford it or was able to get a mortgage?

Travel / Webcams of Krakow, Katowice and Wroclaw. [7]

Hello Frank,

Do you mean on-line real-time web-cams like. This one of Krakow?

If so just google "online webcam Krakow, Katowice and Wroclaw.", that's what I just did with Krakow.

Genealogy / Wies Kąty in Poland (gmina Brześć Kujawski) - church, local parish address [8]

You are very welcome.

If you get the chance, let us know if you find anything.
You do not need to go into details but it would just be nice to know.

Good luck on your adventure.

UK, Ireland / No job unless you're Polish [201]

I knew you'd be scanning the net looking for a way to blame the Poles, you are predictable to a fault.
Again the mistreatment of Poles


And there was a fire, so again the companies fault and they should be the ones to pay, try again.

I would love to see the Poles and the locals bring this company to the cleaners in court, to join forces they could collaborate each other's story!

If it is not just manipulation of the facts by the Daily mail and RN.

UK, Ireland / No job unless you're Polish [201]


Concerned British citizen speaks out against injustice but blames the wrong people, again.


Yeah, that's what I thought. I have never seen that tabloid taken as serious anywhere in England as it is on these forums.

Look at RN there, he thinks he has a point, while anyone who can read between the lines are not laughing, are not trying to manipulate people but are trying to get to the heart of the matter.

IF the company has broken the law, they must be brought to justice and the appropriate penalties applied. Both locals and legal foreign workers are being shafted and it is a disgrace.

UK, Ireland / No job unless you're Polish [201]


I agree.


That is why I find it very strange that locals are not bringing the company to court for discrimination and the Poles aren't bringing them to court for "physical and verbal abuse and lack of proper health and safety protection"?

It doesn't make sense, perhaps they will in the future?


The Daily Mail do seem to do their best at this.
Most British people know about the Daily Mail and their agenda, don't they?

UK, Ireland / The Daily Mail - coverage of the Polish people [161]


RevokeNice was good enough to inform us already: No job unless you're Polish

Unscrupulous companies abusing both locals and legal foreign workers, it is great that we have such concerned citizens like RN, who is able to look beyond nationality (sarcasm on full).

He believes ever word and blames Poles, just like the Daily Mail, he would swallow a brick if it was anti Polish.

UK, Ireland / The Daily Mail - coverage of the Polish people [161]

So you have nothing to say and just want people to be as hateful and angry as yourself.
You could get a job for the Daily Mail.

UK, Ireland / The Daily Mail - coverage of the Polish people [161]

Here is an interesting site on this topic, it looks like they are watchdogs for the daily mail : mailwatch.co.uk/category/immigration

Using misleading crime stats to make readers frightened of foreigners
mailwatch.co.uk/tag/immigration

There is a lot on the net about the Daily mail and their lies and manipulation of facts and statistics.

Here is another site and article - Asylum lies and Daily Mail readers
angrymob.uponnothing.co.uk/home/70-newspaper-lies/221-aslylum-lies-and-daily-mail-readers

And more sights Lies, damned lies and the Daily Mail's interpretation of statistics
stirringupapathy.wordpress.com/2009/08/31/lies-damned-lies-and-the-daily-mails-interpretation-of-statistics

UK, Ireland / No job unless you're Polish [201]

You must have been salivating and drooling when you found that discriminate daily mail article RevokeNice. I say discriminative because they are well known for it, like yourself RN.

Scanning all the trashy tabloids to find something to moan about.
I am glad to see you are finally concerned with other nationalities for a change.
The English people who have been discriminated against will be proud of your support.

But this is about English people not hiring English people, not as if the Poles are to blame is it?
I know you'll find a way to blame them anyway.


Interesting because the article says nothing about anyone actually bringing anyone to court, so if a crime was committed and it's provable why are charges not being pressed?

Would the Daily mail manipulate the evidence to suit their own agenda about such a serious thing? Yes they could, they have before.


So these people were being abused by English people who employed them because the locals know their rights and the foreigners are


.

So in essence what we are talking about here is an unscrupulous English company who mistreats everyone, legal foreign workers and locals and should be brought to justice if a crime has been committed but I wouldn't hold my breath.

USA, Canada / Are you a US citizen? Test for Americans. [67]


Fine, I understand you're a hypocrite and can't take it and are in a comfortable position of dishing it out.
I am not playing a game but sure you won't read this anyway, right? ;)
(okay I was joking with the last part but only because you are so defensive in your position of attacking Poland while defending America)

Genealogy / Wies Kąty in Poland (gmina Brześć Kujawski) - church, local parish address [8]

Hello Jason947,

And welcome to the Polish forums.


I hope this is what you are looking for:


From here : drohiczyn.opoka.org.pl/?action=parafia&id=32 - KĄTY - Parafia Matki Bożej Częstochowskiej

If it is not that one there are a list of Churches brzesckujawski.pl/dokumenty/2007/wykaz_soltysow_2007_2.pdf.

I hope it helps.

Good luck

USA, Canada / Are you a US citizen? Test for Americans. [67]


I thought my comment made a lot of sense, that the OP is attacking the American people for a war that Poland is involved in and if he wants to attack people he should start with his own people.


So when you attack people from Poland it is fine but when you are attacked it is completely out of the question, I get it you have double standards.


I never said I was joking and I have no excuses, this is the way I view both this topic and you.
And you should ask Seanus about suggesting I had drinks the other night in your Private messages. You know why they are called private messages, don't you? not so you can throw unfounded hearsay into my face because you can not take criticism but you dish it out at every corner.

USA, Canada / Are you a US citizen? Test for Americans. [67]


I know but I would expect nothing less from you.
You see, you can not take any criticism whatsoever and have huge amounts to dish out about Poland,.
The fact that you are on a Polish forum attacking it and defending America is your obligation, so I take no offence to that.


I was just saying what I think.

USA, Canada / Are you a US citizen? Test for Americans. [67]


I never wanted to ignore you, this has always been my stance.
I was not drunk when I showed you for the attacker of Poland and defender of America that you are.
You are very resilient but I don't mind as I said before, i actually don't mind you.
I will put it this way, I still think you are interesting.