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Are you a US citizen? Test for Americans.


enkidu  
13 Mar 2010 /  #1
Well... I asked Amanda91 these questions:

"I just wonder if an average (again - no offense meant) American has got access to the same information as I do. You know - by watching TV, reading newspapers etc. My questions are not intended to blame anyone or something. I just have got this strange feeling that the Americans and the rest of the world are not living on the same planet.

1) Are you sure that the Osama is the real ringleader? How do you know that? What convinced you?
2) Are you aware of the fact that he was trained by the CIA?
3) Are you sure that on Guantanamo bay there are terrorist only. How do you know that?
4) Are you aware of the fact that the US has invaded the Haiti a few times during 20th century?
5) Are you aware of the fact that mujahedins (US allies in the 1990) and talibs (current enemies) are virtually the same men?"

And She answer me:
Amanda91:
Obviously not, I strongly assume that your information is correct and we're simply uniformed and uneducated Americans. I know, this is exactly the answer that you and quiet a few others here wanted to here. I'm happy I was finally able to satisfy your obviously superior intellect.

And I answer her:
"You misunderstood me. It's not about intellect or superiority. It's not about the knowledge. I think that European newspapers lie to me. I think that US papers are doing exactly the same to you. We are both feed by lies. I just want to compare these.

I don't even know the REAL and true answer to these question. I just know what I was told (and I don't believe it much). I am just curious if you were told the same stories, that is all - honestly."

SO IF YOU are the American - could you, please, answer me these questions? As I said before - it's not about the knowledge (who knows what is true these times anyway). So - don't check wikipedia.

This is not a test of your knowledge. This is a test of what you have been told. I am just curious if we are feed with the some lies or quite different ones (sadly - nobody knows what is the real Truth these days).
beelzebub  
13 Mar 2010 /  #2
Hahaha....no way in h*ll am I going to bite on this loaded question. I would advise my fellow Yanks to avoid this as well. The author clearly has an agenda.

Remember this is the same person that racism is a Western construct and Poles cannot be racist because they haven't been exposed to colored people and therefore can't have had bad thoughts about them.
OP enkidu  
13 Mar 2010 /  #3
Hahaha....no way in h*ll am I going to bite on this loaded question. I would advise my fellow Yanks to avoid this as well. The author clearly has an agenda.

I haven't got. Really. I am not the US - hater. I just want to know. i don't need eny explanation. Just the simple yes-or-no answers. I don't require anybody to say what is wrong and what is right (and if she or he support it). I just want to know if we have got access to the same informations on the opposite sides of the Atlantic ocean.. That's all.

By the way - I still have got my stand (clear one - I hope) on the racism question. And not because I am sure, I'm right. Just because your flimsy arguments doesn't convince me a much. If you have got any better arguments - I would be happy to be convinced.
beelzebub  
13 Mar 2010 /  #4
The rest of the world agrees on what racism is...so I really don't need to convince you. It is accepted by the masses as reality.

And as far as this post goes it is very clear you are trying to make some points...not get answers. Your questions are mostly loaded statements.
OP enkidu  
14 Mar 2010 /  #5
It is accepted by the masses as reality.

Until the end of the 19th century it was accepted by masses as the reality that it is OK to enslave other people. Think about it.

Now you know what I consider a "flimsy argument".
The racism question is not the topic of this thread. If you wish to continue a "racism discussion" - you know where to go, right?
beelzebub  
14 Mar 2010 /  #6
I know where YOU should go. You are not going to get away with pretending you want to "learn" what Americans think about this. You want to argue pedantically plain and simple. 5 or 6 pages on "racism" proves it so it is very much related. You must miss living at home and playing "debate club" in coffee shops so you come here to to it. It is a most annoying characteristic about a certain culture.
f stop  
14 Mar 2010 /  #7
straight, no googling.
Are you sure that the Osama is the real ringleader? How do you know that? What convinced you?
No. I have no clue. I'm not sure "they" do, either.
2) Are you aware of the fact that he was trained by the CIA?
Him too? I know he is comes from a wealthy family. I know that Sadam Hussein was!
3) Are you sure that on Guantanamo bay there are terrorist only. How do you know that?
No. They would like it to be, but it's not that straight forward.
4) Are you aware of the fact that the US has invaded the Haiti a few times during 20th century?
Oh, yes. Very.
5) Are you aware of the fact that mujahedins (US allies in the 1990) and talibs (current enemies) are virtually the same men?"
I could be aware in 2 minutes, but i promised no googling. I'm aware that all Muslims are not one homogeneous unit.

And, with Amanda's reply, she is human to me again.
beelzebub  
14 Mar 2010 /  #8
You are a Polish expat not an American.
f stop  
14 Mar 2010 /  #9
Ignore Beelzebub. It's not that hard to do.
My views are pretty common among many Americans I know.
beelzebub  
14 Mar 2010 /  #10
Yeah if you don't agree with someone insult them...it's the PF way.

Once you offered help to an illegal Polish immigrant to the US that posted here you lost any credibility you may have had.

You yourself have even posted things that infer your intention to use the system in the US. Pardon me if I do not approve.
Amanda91  
14 Mar 2010 /  #11
Ignore Beelzebub

why, because he's right about you not being an American, lol
Well, face it, you're not and the "Americans" you know are probably Polish expats just like you.
f stop  
14 Mar 2010 /  #12
you're not and the "Americans" you know are probably Polish expats just like you

Besides my mother, I don't know one Polish expat around me.
About Beelzebub... just wait. You'll be agreeing with me soon.
Amanda91  
14 Mar 2010 /  #13
About Beelzebub... just wait. You'll be agreeing with me soon.

I doubt it.
f stop  
14 Mar 2010 /  #14
Once you offered help to an illegal Polish immigrant to the US that posted here you lost any credibility you may have had.

Are you serious? We are recruiting all over the world for WAAS/LAAS experienced people! This is an FAA (US government) supported effort! Is that's what you're referring to?

Crap! I thought I was replying to Amanda!
Yuck, yuck, yuck.
beelzebub  
14 Mar 2010 /  #15
Even if you intended to help him within the rules HE is not legal and those jobs are needed by legal American citizens. Ethically and legally he is in the wrong.

How old are you? Your "yuck yuck yuck" nonsense sounds like a teenager. You claim to be an adult woman but your childish words to everything I write don't match up.
f stop  
14 Mar 2010 /  #16
Even if you intended to help him within the rules HE is not legal and those jobs are needed by legal American citizens.

we sponsor the smart ones, fool.
beelzebub  
14 Mar 2010 /  #17
Yeah you stick together right? Screw the Americans who need jobs...let's get our visiting Polish buddies hooked up so they can milk the system. Well done.

Worse yet most of them piss and moan about the US while they are using it.
f stop  
14 Mar 2010 /  #18
Screw the Americans who need jobs...

go back to school, fool.
Yuck, yuck, yuck. I feel dirty every time I address you.
aphrodisiac  
14 Mar 2010 /  #19
Ethically and legally he is in the wrong.

how can anybody be ethnically wrong lol

Screw the Americans who need jobs...let's get our Polish buddies hooked up so they can milk the system.

it is an American gov hiring policy you fool. She said it.
beelzebub  
14 Mar 2010 /  #20
Yuck, yuck, yuck. I feel dirty every time I address you.

I am not saying I need the job...I am saying there are plenty of Americans who do and encouraging immigrants who have made it clear they intend to cheat the system is wrong. The only reason such policies exist is because of the lobbying of immigrant groups...fool.

You are really immature with your high school insults f-stop.
aphrodisiac  
14 Mar 2010 /  #21
The only reason such policies exist is because of the lobbying of immigrant groups...fool.

so how come you were allowed to cheat the Polish system when you were working in Poland - because this is WHAT you did, right?
Amanda91  
14 Mar 2010 /  #22
ethnically

did he say ethnically?
beelzebub  
14 Mar 2010 /  #23
What are you talking about I cheated in Poland? I was legal all the way and I have complained about how corrupt that process is there and it was part of the reason I left. Not all of us play by Polish ETHICAL standards. I knew several Poles who went to the US on tourist visas with the intent to stay...they acted like it was no big deal. But if I had done that in Poland they would have been all over me. Hypocrites.
SeanBM  
14 Mar 2010 /  #24
I have said I will be beelzebub's friend and rather than point out how he continuously points the finger at Poland but jumps to the defence of his country, I will say this... oh wait I am finished.

Although I think I understand enkidu's original reason for asking loaded questions, I think they are not real questions.
The American people are no more to blame for the war in Afghanistan's "War on terror", than the Polish. So before condemning another nation, perhaps you ought to inform or what you are really doing is blaming, your own people before pointing fingers.

enkidu:

1) Are you sure that the Osama is the real ringleader? How do you know that? What convinced you?

Terrorism is an abstraction.

2) Are you aware of the fact that he was trained by the CIA?

And Polish are in the war too?

3) Are you sure that on Guantanamo bay there are terrorist only. How do you know that?

And that Poland with some other European countries were used as illegal "detention centres" too?

4) Are you aware of the fact that the US has invaded the Haiti a few times during 20th century?

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And Poland Afghanistan? After all you sent soldiers there and what did they ever do to you?

5) Are you aware of the fact that mujahedins (US allies in the 1990) and talibs (current enemies) are virtually the same men?"

So Poland is occupying Afghanistan?
aphrodisiac  
14 Mar 2010 /  #25
did he say ethnically?

no, I made a mistake.

I was legal all the way and I have complained about how corrupt that process is here and it was part of the reason I left.

corrupt process ? hmmm .....I missed your complaining about it.

Not all of us play by Polish ETHICAL standards.

you obviously failed miserably, but many posting in this board have not.

I don't think anything good happened to you in Poland, how long has it been?

I don't even know how one can compare Poland to US when it comes to immigration law.
beelzebub  
14 Mar 2010 /  #26
I am not defending anything but the laws and ethics of my nation. It is hardly the same thing as being "offended" by criticism...lots of things wrong with the US also. Though it is a convenient way for people here to dismiss me.
SeanBM  
14 Mar 2010 /  #27
I am not defending anything but the laws and ethics of my nation.

But you get excited at the prospect of shooting down Poland any chance you get.
Perhaps you will learn from this perhaps not.

Though it is a convenient way for people here to dismiss me.

Only because you are so brutal to Poland and jump (how high?) to America's flag.
There is nothing wrong with either really but together it lessens your case.
I know you understand what I am saying and I bear no grudge against you, I even understand why you do it (to an extent) but I am just saying how I see it.
aphrodisiac  
14 Mar 2010 /  #28
I am not defending anything but the laws and ethics of my nation. It is hardly the same thing as being "offended" by criticism...lots of things wrong with the US also. Though it is a convenient way for people here to dismiss me.

oh boy. Well, I hope that the future will bring something brighter to you soon. I mean it.
beelzebub  
14 Mar 2010 /  #29
SeanBM you pretty much exposed yourself in your first drunken rants to me. Can't take you serious after that so feel free to ignore me ;)

And Aphro as a Ukrainian I know you feel the need to unite with your Eastern brothers but they would throw you under the bus in an instant if it benefited them so might rethink that. Poles treat Ukraine the way they complain that others treat them...shows that anyone will take the chance to be the "boss".
SeanBM  
14 Mar 2010 /  #30
You pretty much exposed yourself in your first drunken rants to me. Can't take you serious after that so feel free to ignore me ;

I never wanted to ignore you, this has always been my stance.
I was not drunk when I showed you for the attacker of Poland and defender of America that you are.
You are very resilient but I don't mind as I said before, i actually don't mind you.
I will put it this way, I still think you are interesting.

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