Work / How To Study In Poland and stay with my GF? Inability to move to Poland looks stupid. [60]


Or one could turn this around and say Turkey has been whining to get into EU for ages and is constantly being shot down, because - surprise, surprise - it doesn't meet the criteria which often fit rather well into what defines a developed country. So far Turkey has closed 1 acquis chapter out of 33 and its been working on it since 1987 ( date of petition ).

Poland on the other hand is already in the EU.

Work / How To Study In Poland and stay with my GF? Inability to move to Poland looks stupid. [60]

Delpia, You are aware that PhD stipends awarded to exceptionally skilled and gifted students in the UK usually do not exceed 1000 pounds a month? In Poland I doubt PhD's get more than 1000 ZLOTY per month.

This kid is daydreaming.

UK, Ireland / We live in the UK; my husband is not legal in England [47]

Hopefully he gets deported.

Work / What kind of job can I find, can I make descent money in Poland? Coming from Canada. [33]


Well in this case, bud, it is fairly simple.

You walk into a bar/club, you ask if they have an opening. They don't - you leave, they do - you stay and start bartending. Probably will help if you learn Polish by the time you start doing the asking.

Don't expect to make much money.

Work / How To Study In Poland and stay with my GF? Inability to move to Poland looks stupid. [60]

In the region of 700 euro/month?

You are kidding, right?

You do realise that it is more than some Polish families make in a month, yet have to pay rent and feed three or four mouths from?

No, there isn't a foundation in Poland that will pay you that kind of money because you consider yourself brilliant and if there was one it would be swarming with Polish applicants since stipends for academic achievement in Poland rarely exceed 80 euro/month.

Disregarding TS for a moment I simply love this attitude:

I'm 17, I just LOOOOOVEEE your country and I'm SOOOOO brilliant... now pay up.

Work / How To Study In Poland and stay with my GF? Inability to move to Poland looks stupid. [60]


I take it a lot of people just don't consider this a serious issue, which in my humble opinion is rather staggering.

Back in the day UK indeed had a system protecting us from illegal immigrants, visa scammers and alike and while the system wasn't by any means perfect, we have learned a thing or two about the methods they use.

Now all this has gone down the loo, because Polish/Bulgarian/Czech immigration officers are easily falling for the tricks that our former immigration officers ( now redundant, I presume ) learned to deal with 30 years ago.

A lot of people from non-eu countries get legalised in Eastern Europe and then move over to pastures greener, it is a simple fact.

Work / How To Study In Poland and stay with my GF? Inability to move to Poland looks stupid. [60]

Everything I'm seeing is pointing towards the UK slowly but steadily trimming down the amount of immigrants from non-EU countries. Might have something to do with the recession. Also one can easily spot an increase in the amount of such immigrants who show up in the UK after obtaining their right to enter/stay in the EU in Eastern European countries.

In my humble opinion, Eastern Europe ( not going to dive into the effects of immigration from Poland to the UK ) isn't doing their fair share of looking into visa scammers and alike. As in many other areas, they're 30 years behind us. Only this time if they screw up, we magically have one more mouth asking for bennies in London or Birmingham, not in Wrocław or Warsaw.

Work / How To Study In Poland and stay with my GF? Inability to move to Poland looks stupid. [60]

Yeah, the Yid army and all :-)

Still, I think that if we examined each and every looter we'd most likely find that very few of them were Jewish by ancestry.


To be perfectly honest, I thought TS was high on something when he posted first. "Poland gimme a scholarship cause I'm bright and foreign..."... Sheesh...Can You imagine how long the line in Nigeria would be for that one?

Work / How To Study In Poland and stay with my GF? Inability to move to Poland looks stupid. [60]


Hardly, I seriously doubt I can get any sort of value on a Turk these days.


Obviously, I mean us UK Jews, we just tore down Tottenham.

Honestly, learn to spell, I find it difficult to "argue" with someone who writes like an ADHD girl on meth.

kriczjak - You do sound like a 3rd worlder wanting out of his crap-hole and your "Poland gimme a scholarship" gimmick was just waaay to funny.

Also slightly offensive, if one takes into account that some Polish families make by on less than 700 euro monthly and the Polish government isn't in any hurry to hand them any sort of financial help.

BTW - I still haven't heard back from the Turkish government on my 5000 euro monthly scholarship. Think I should call them?

Work / How To Study In Poland and stay with my GF? Inability to move to Poland looks stupid. [60]


Too many blokes from Africa, Turkey, Pakistan and India who obtained the right to stay in EU via Poland making their way to UK's shores, that's what.


And you're not worth my time, sissyboy.

Work / How To Study In Poland and stay with my GF? Inability to move to Poland looks stupid. [60]

I honestly laughed so hard when I read it for the first time...

One thing at a time.


I don't get it. If she "loves" you so much she should be able to make that sacrifice.


You and a bazillion of other gents from Turkey, Africa Pakistan, India and wherever after they discovered that UK is slowly looking into reducing the amount of non-EU people who love the Queen so much they just have to move here, then hit up the bennies queue. After that happened the whole you lot started looking into other countries in the EU, obtaining some papers there, then moving on to Germany, France or the UK. Eastern Europe really needs to look into that matter.


Happens all the time. Nothing unusual.


Hardly. Poland ( and a number of other states who require minimum amount of $ from "students" from not-too-well-developed countries ) is simply making sure it isn't importing another illegal immigrant who will pose as a student in order to get out of some third world ********.


On the floor laughing here.

You're 17 years old, you don't "love" Poland or most likely your "girlfriend" for that matter. You're just looking for someone to pay your way so you can leave your underdeveloped country.

Poland and Turkey haven't exactly been too friendly over the years ( Turkish invasions are partially responsible for Poland losing its international clout in the 17th century ) so why the hell do you expect Polish people to "hand you scholarships" is honestly beyond me. They don't owe you jack, look for suckers in your own country.

Other than that, the monthly amount that you gave ( about 700 euro ) and that you expect the Polish government ( or some other sucker ) to just fork over because you're so brilliant is more than many Polish families earn in a month.


Lol.

To be honest, stay in Turkey then and be successful there.


And if they are coming to Poland illegally or overstaying their visas they should be deported ( hopefully before they make it to the UK ).

On an unrelated matter, I have just petitioned the current government of Turkey to pay me a scholarship for going on vacation there. I asked them for 5000 euro a month. Hopefully they'll reply.

Travel / Mosques in Krakow? [131]

^^ Yeah, blame the evil Jews, that always works.

It is like this one time we trained and released man-eating sharks into Egyptian waters to destroy their tourist industry. Ah, the good old days.

Travel / Mosques in Krakow? [131]


And the London bombers are of course best proof of that...


Like it or not, Europe is slowly reaching the conclusion, that being too soft on muslims isn't exactly a good thing and that they are effectively using religion as a cover for other things. A hardline stance has been taken by Switzerland:

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8385069.stm

France is in the same boat as well:

articles.cnn.com/2011-04-11/world/france.burqa.ban_1_france-s-islamic-burqas-french-muslim?_s=PM:WORLD

So is Belgium:

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8652861.stm

All this probably has something to do with this:

I don't see the reason why Poland shouldn't join in with France, Belgium and Switzerland.


A small roving band of Lipki Tatar doesn't prove anything.

Travel / Mosques in Krakow? [131]

Well, if you're so rich with knowledge of the Muslim world ( although I do believe that a fair amount of Saudis might have a different opinion on their country and would not consider it "an artificial creature" ), it might be worthwhile to look at Polish history through the lens of religion.

Poland ( and Ireland ) are two most Catholic countries in Europe. Just look into abortion laws if you think otherwise.

Hence indeed Poland as a very Catholic country with a single, powerful and dominant religion might indeed be more entitled to being a lot more harsh on the mosques issue than, shall we say, Belgium.

If Saudi Arabia - which is often considered very "hardcore Muslim" by some - has the right to be harsh on other religions, why should Poland ( a "hardcore Catholic" ) country follow the example of "moderately" Muslim countries instead of the "hardcore" ones?

Hope you "got it" now.

History / Has Poland ever participated in any big wars (except WW2)? [73]


Nah, never, ever, most Poland ever did outside of WW2 was a scuffle with Slovakian border guards two years ago. It was in the papers and was by no means a small thing - one of the Polish border guys had to go to the doctor, his eye was bruised.


Sheesh, read a book.

Polish history is pretty much one bloody war after another with a relatively peaceful period in the XVIth century.

Pointers --> Polish/Soviet war 1919-1921, Battle of Vienna 1683, Battle of Beresteczko 1651, Battle of Grunwald 1410.

Work / What kind of job can I find, can I make descent money in Poland? Coming from Canada. [33]



Native Polish and English?

You'll be better off than the locals, don't worry. Not that you'll make anywhere close to what you were making in Canada.

Work / What kind of job can I find, can I make descent money in Poland? Coming from Canada. [33]


Indeed, his behaviour also strikes me as odd and You sir might very well be right on the money.

Other than that - all of the people I employ in Poland ( and I do pay way better than 1.500 zł/month net ) for some reason happen to share the same trait - they can all speak bloody Polish. Call me a traditionalist, but I doubt that even the best lawyer will do much in a Polish court if he's only able to speak Suahili.

Consider it a clue, TS.

Law / How long is the waiting period after applying for Polish citizenship via marriage? [29]


Poland really needs to start looking into the whole fake-marriage thing more intensly ( pass a law that places the burden of the costs of deportation on the citizen that participates in such activities ) because, not only based on what I see on this forum, it is quickly becoming a pipeline.

Work / What kind of job can I find, can I make descent money in Poland? Coming from Canada. [33]

Heya bud,

Reading your post one might think that crazy Velociraptors were out on the prowl in Vancouver. You are so desperate to stay in Poland , makes one wonder whether you're really from Vancouver and not Karachi or Islamabad :-)

Other than that:



Well, don't tell us your Polish is "adequate" then. Most likely the very reason why the only thing you're getting paid to do is construction.

So do what Ironside said and learn the language if you're that desperate to stay.

Or go back to Canada ( or wherever home is ).

UK, Ireland / Is moving to UK now a good idea? - antipolish prejudice of the Brits [231]


You are too stupid to waste my breath on, Alfred.

Law / Divorce legal adviser in Poland? [7]


Worst idea ever.

Maybe balances out somewhat on account of you being female and Polish family courts usually treating females better.


600zł is the filing fee.

What the attorney will charge shall depend on his experience and often - good standing with the court in question :-)

There are probably lawyers out there that will "help you" for 2400 zł + VAT, double that if case goes to appeal. But I wouldn't recommend them.

Reasonable, experienced divorce attorneys in Poland that handle cases involving property and kids will most likely ask between 10.000zł and 20.000zł + VAT, again double if case goes to appeal.

UK, Ireland / Is moving to UK now a good idea? - antipolish prejudice of the Brits [231]


Yeah right, the threadstarter comes over with some accusations that aren't true if one looks at 99% of the UK's population, yet everyone is jumping up and down trying to comfort him.

An English woman comes here and says something I heard about from numerous sources and yet the first assumption is "you must be making this up".

Simply because for many of you, Polish people can do no harm.

Ridiculous.

Law / Can I come to Poland with my girlfriend on the student visa as a dependent? [40]


My point, which you were too undereducated to get, boy, was that her coming from "Polonia" doesn't automatically remove her from the people being allowed to speak.

Love / Don't want others to join us at a table - is it normal for Polish girls to get angry? [161]

Again pointing out for the umpteenth time - in the cultural circle he ( and many other people on this forum ) hail from telling the swooper that the girl knows he should leave is the responsibility of the girl. Of course in the Eastern European cultural circle the "right" thing to do for a male in such a situation is to take part in the competition and hope he can win his queen's attention back, lol.

Confused did exactly what most guys without insight into the "Polish female mind" would do: he hinted that it was perhaps time for her to "do the right thing" and when she didn't - he did it himself without being particularly happy about doing it.

And the reason why none of the guy's opponents in this discussion paid any heed to my post #78 is that they probably couldn't explain why they'd apply a double standard based on gender in this particular case.


Agreed. At times it is nothing short of baffling.

And in my humble opinion that vain approach and that shocking belief that they are just "sooo special" comes from the way women are ( were? ) raised in Eastern Europe.

Law / Can I come to Poland with my girlfriend on the student visa as a dependent? [40]


Me understandy no what you speaky.

Honestly, Poland should look into this before they're swarmed by indians.


Sure, bash the girl for speaking her mind.

Love / Don't want others to join us at a table - is it normal for Polish girls to get angry? [161]


Obviously, because I have nothing better to do than tell him wrong.

I'm telling the gent how I see things. Now, sure, some of you ( being Polish ) might not like a few bits of what I said, still please don't discredit my whole advice.

After we cross out the few odd assumptions ( like the one about confused being supposedly unable to tell the difference between a date and another social event ) the bottom line here seems to be, that the standards for dating behaviour for young, middle-class women in Poland and the UK differ.

I know some foreign guys who are perfectly aware of it and treat their polish females with that knowledge in mind. Confused just isn't one of them ( yet ).

Now some of you might again get pissed off and whatnot, but back in the 80's when I had a business in Poland ( already mentioned it in this thread ) I actually had a situation akin to what happened to Confused.

Granted, the whole thing went down in Warsaw almost 30 years ago, so times were very different ( foreign guys with foreign currency were really all the rage with Polish girls these days regardless of how they looked or how old they were ), but still there were a few common elements.

That story is about a time when a certain Polish girl fresh out of the University of Warsaw really decided to dig her claws into me.

To make the long story short - I wasn't the least interested, despite her being very attractive and intelligent to boot. Partially due to some of the stuff that had to do with how the Polish political police operated back then and partially because this particular female had my spidey sense all tingling and not in a good way. So I kept brushing her off and even once bluntly told her I wasn't interested.

Of course ( which I know now and didn't know then ) this had exactly the opposite effect. She began pursuing me vigilantly and after she "accidentally" ran into me for the fourth or fifth time in front of the apartment block where I rented a flat ( winter time, office hours on top of it ) I knew I had a problem on my hands. I actually thought about changing my flat ( figured it wouldn't work ) or pretending to be gay ( she knew I wasn't so it wouldn't work either ), but then decided to tackle the problem head on. After all, what the hell, we're all human and all.

So we went to a venue of her choosing and of course it was a nightmare. She treated me like a meal ticket, made advances that were sometimes comical and after a few drinks even had the nerve to ask me about the state of my finances and amount of personal property ( how rich are you, in dollars? lol ). Comedy central, I'm telling you guys, although after that last set of questions I wasn't really smiling. To be perfectly honest - I became much colder and was actually considering leaving under the pretense of going to the bathroom. But that wouldn't be particularly gentelmanlike of me.

So I did what all brave men do in such dire times - I invited the only lad I knew at this place to our table. He was Swedish and I shared a drink with him once, that was how deep our relationship went. I figured, correctly, that my lovely Polish "date" would take notice of this robust Scandinavian fellow and allow me to slip away.

Indeed I was correct - she first attempted to play one of us off against the other, which was really funny, since her English wasn't that good. After about 10 minutes it was rather clear that the Swedish dude was responding and I was not. So she made a show of how great a guy he was ( again - funny due to broken English ) and started focusing her attention completely on him. Having achieved the desired result I got up, wished them good night, paid the waiter, picked up my coat and grabbed a taxi. I was confident that I'd never see her in my life again, having so gracefully dumped her off on another fella ( a foreigner, on top of all things ). Of course I never tried to contact her and considered the case closed.

Exactly four months and a half later she again "accidentally" ran into me in front of my apartment block ( I managed to go to the UK and return in the meantime ). Despite me telling her I was in a hurry she really needed to talk. Long story short:

- Swedish guy went back to Stockholm,
- She didn't understand why I never contacted her or asked her out again after our "date". What the hell was wrong with me???

- Despite being severly mad at me for not contacting her, she made sure she was still available and said I could quell her anger by giving her roses and taking her to dinner.

To the dismay of my then-landlord I moved out to another flat a week later :-)

So, to sum up, I know what the hell I'm talking about when I'm handing out advice here.

Love / Don't want others to join us at a table - is it normal for Polish girls to get angry? [161]


She was seriously no diamond :-)


I for one never attempted to crucify you.


Nothing to be worried about mate. Plenty of women in England, loads of them Polish if that tickles your fancy.

Love / Don't want others to join us at a table - is it normal for Polish girls to get angry? [161]


Obviously it does apply.

For your assumptions to work two things would have to occur simultaneously:

1) TS being a completely inexperienced young gent unable to appropriately articulate his wishes, then going around, making up fantasy stories. As in "I asked her out for buddy chat, but in my mind this is sooooo a date".

2) Swooper having "clean" intentions. And my life experience tells me that a guy trying to sit down with a couple rarely has those, especially if the girl is attractive enough.


Why are you so certain of this and how come you assume he hasn't POLITELY tried to suggest to the girl that the guest might have overstayed his welcome?

Love / Don't want others to join us at a table - is it normal for Polish girls to get angry? [161]

Please tackle my gender-reversed example from p.3 if you're feeling that confident :-)

Love / Don't want others to join us at a table - is it normal for Polish girls to get angry? [161]

skysoulmate -

Confused has put this rather well. First of all, the "other" guy shouldn't have swooped in - blame on him. Secondly - the girl should have made it very clear to the "guest" that he wasn't wanted after a two dozen minutes or so. Lastly - Confused could have perhaps handled the whole situation slightly better ( as in "leaving when things got really stupid" ).

So, in my humble opinion - 40% of the blame on the swooper ( who, as I mentioned earlier, probably had some experience with "polish girls" and knew it was perfectly ok in the girl's mind to swoop in ), 50% of the blame on the girl for acting like a rude and promiscuous **** ( there, I said it ), 10% on TS for not leaving when he should have.

In Poland it would look something like this - obviously 100% of the blame on TS, because he dared to stand up for himself against the queen's wishes.

That's it, hence I don't see the reason why some people ( grubas ) are treating him like an idiot who can't tell what a date is or why are you acting as if he should be blamed the most.


Ignore her completely. I mean, look the other way when she walks by. That's the only chance of "another shot" you've got at the moment with her type of personality.

Still, my advice is to ditch her as she's clearly a "Polish Princess" and will end up costing you a lot more than she's worth.

Whatever you do though, don't take into account what grubas says - he's always mad when a foreigner gets a polish girl ( which probably means he's mad and angry all the time ).